alpine247

http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/in...OD&ProdID=1051

just what to know thanks

92RS(real slow)

hmm very interesting i doubt that much of a gain though

alpine247

anybody?

jaykar

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Hi,

My take on that is a good bird catcher without screens.
Also good water scoop in the rain once your done making the mods to noise and water baffles below your filters

I cut out lower boxes baffles, removed fogs and screened
for debris,rocks,birds,antelope, ect to protect expensive
radiator, No ac.

These cars also get some cooling from factory inlets so keep that in mind. Also have B&M AT cooler sitting behind
one of the inlets which really helps.
As to the HP and Torque gain, doubt it

JMHO

Later

conlinj

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They are the old random technology air boxes, I've been looking for these. I love their horsepower ratings though. The only way these boxes have an effect is at speed, standing still on a dyno I can't imagine they do much... I may be wrong though.

-Jim

doc

Well, I have a question for you. ---- How can it NOT help?

As the one said above, no gain on the dyno, but there will be a gain at the dragstrip. Anytime you bring in cold air to the intake, you got to have a gain.

I have run a similar one for 10 years, never had an issue with birds, rain, or whatever.

alpine247

i know it would help some but im just asking is it worth buying..

Orr89RocZ

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it WILL help at speed and such, even alittle at no speed

but i dont feel its worth 100 bucks. you can do the same thing for much much less using dryer ducting and dremel tool to cut your stock air boxes out.

I did this to my car and it works great. dont drive in the rain too much but i have, and had no problems yet. Filters may get alittle damp in lots of rain and driving close behind cars where the mist gets kicked up. It DOES suck up alot of dirt and bugs so your gonna run thru air filters alot. Get K&N cleanable filters. Its worth it.

flaming-ford

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how do you seal up the dryer ducting to the fog light holes? same as to how did u seal yours to the cut out factory air box?

i still want to pretty much mimic this setup except put a heavy duty screen b4 the filter just so i dont have 2 clean them as much. k&n recharger kits rnt cheap.

also does the dryer venting make alot of noise? Is it just astraight run from filter to fog light hole or do you have to offset it somewhere so it lines up? if this is misleading what im asking is are the filters actually a directly straight up and down run to the fog lights? if i had to guess i'd sya the ducting would have to be kicked out somewhere a couple inches on each side so it lines up with the fog light holes but, thats going off memory.

Orr89RocZ

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thats the only problem its not a perfect seal. I cut the tube of ducting down the middle to make it a U shape to slide it in. Then i tucked it around the air box and the factory plastic tubes that come out of my fog light area.

see pic for better look. You can see how i connected the factory air flow boxes that are behind the fog lights to the actual filter box.



Aint the prettiest i guess, but gets air to the filter for sure. The amount of stuff it sucks in is insane and you can hear it at idle just sucking up like a vacuum cleaner The 383 should really make that car eat up the road literally.

But its strong and doesnt move around even at 120mph its in there good

alpine247

yeah k&ns is worth it thats why i already have them lol.umm idk might buy hawks box since it will gain hp ever lil bits helps. but the ss hood is coming first lol

flaming-ford

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[QUOTE=Orr89RocZ;3669196]thats the only problem its not a perfect seal. I cut the tube of ducting down the middle to make it a U shape to slide it in. Then i tucked it around the air box and the factory plastic tubes that come out of my fog light area.

i wonder if you could use a square dryer ducting where it connects and tape it tight then cut four slits in the round dryer tube and slide it over the square end, tape it together then do just as you did at the bottom to have a full seal.

how exactly did you connect the tops and bottoms do u have any different pics? i plan to run my car out to 150mph just once after my future mods just so i can say i've done so and i've already had louvers fly off from 100+ so im not in the mood to lose anything else at speed including hoods and such haha.

see pic for better look. You can see how i connected the factory air flow boxes that are behind the fog lights to the actual filter box.



Aint the prettiest i guess, but gets air to the filter for sure. The amount of stuff it sucks in is insane and you can hear it at idle just sucking up like a vacuum cleaner The 383 should really make that car eat up the road literally.
well you also can barely see it anyways so who cares......... I think it would have to flow even a good bit better just at idle then the factory box since it has just a couple slits cut out..... removing the bottom would have to help i'd expect.

But its strong and doesnt move around even at 120mph its in there good
now thats some important info!

IROCZ4BD3

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I had the Hawks boxes on my 86 IROC and I doubt it helped as much as they say.It was cool to hear the air being sucked in and being able to stick your hand in from the top and have it come out where the fog lights were.

Orr89RocZ

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I think i'm gonna make my own hawks boxes. Like i said, i just put this cut dryer ducting in the area between the fog lights and filter box. I dont have anything holding it in place or attaching it to each side. It just sits snug in there since you can fold/flex the ducting around to hold up snug against the walls of the air box.

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You probly could get a square hard tubing to work. I wanna fab my own sheetmetal ones like the hawks. But i'm not worried about a perfect seal, it will get plenty of air. And plus with this mod, your cutting off air flow to the radiator, so its harder to keep cool

TheRealBlkBird

For a hundred bucks its worth it in looks alone over dryer ducting. But I prefer to keep a more finished look to my cars. Sorry to those who have it but its just my . Then again, I dont have a Camaro so do what you want.

Orr89RocZ

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noone sees the dryer ducting so its all good in my book. I agree its cheap looking cuz it really isnt expensive but it gets the job done

firebirdjosh

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Dryer duct- ribbed for your turbulence.

Orr89RocZ

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perfectly smooth or alittle rippled isnt gonna make much difference on flow for these intakes.. Your still getting more than enough air than you need and definately more airflow than the stock air boxes allow

southern_iroc85

the boxes are worth it.. i have a custom made set quite like hawks and you can tell the power increase towards 50-60 mph..i also live in florida where as you might know rains alot!! i have 2 K&N's and no screen in front.. water is not an issue unless you plan on driving into something at least 8 in deep! screens are a good idea..helps keep little debris out of the filters..less cleaning!
ducting? come on guys you cant think of anything better than that..that looks like it should be on a FORD!
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/24427198@N07/ take a look..

The Project

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Why pay more for the same effect?? Especially if it's not going to be seen...................just my 2c

southern_iroc85

i donno about you guys but i have pride in my cars looks and performance..so the looks of the performance parts i deal with too...just look ghetto rigged ..sry but hey its your car

toxik IROC

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On hawks web site they say that it has to be modded to fit...My question is what has to be modded? I wouldn't mind buying it but I would like to know what has to be done for it to fit.....btw I have an 87 tpi 350....

southern_iroc85

you just have to cut the bottom end off of both sides of the air box. the ram boxes should be predrilled and come with some hardware like tapcons. pretty easy..15-20 min max

goalieforlife

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Anybody where to find a carb box ram air?

StreetRoc85 350

i have the hawks boxes on my L98 iroc. they were on the car when i bought it so i cant really comment on the installation but i have driven enough TPIs to feel a difference. its really noticeable on the interstate and ive never had any trouble with rain or debris. id say its worth the $100

z 28 jari

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At Phr Nov-97 issue has story"Hard rock Camaro".It was Nmca efi class ~340hp racer.They added Random tecnologies cold air package and gained 1.9mph at 1/4miles strip.

toxik IROC

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so mine came in the mail afew weeks back. they will be going on some time soon when it stops being bad weather out

91z 2 8

i kinda like this idea what alll stuff would i need if i was gonna try to make one anyone have like instructions to make one and not buy that?

91-RS-B4C-fake?

hay 91z 2 8
I don't know how much help I'll be, but here goes.

If you haven't already checked out the directions posted on this site @
https://www.thirdgen.org/ramair
You may want to do so to familarize yourself with the overall construction.

NEXT let me say this....

I have little or no skills making anything for our cars.
The step by step directions I started to write for you
got kind of long. & I didn't think everyone would want
or need this information.

So I put the majority of this post
on page 8 of my cardomain site.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2175519/8

I don't have any photos of this project yet.
BUT
I made some hand drawn sketches which I scanned & copied.

In making the cold/ram air boxes I did use some stuff
I already had around the garage.
But the main pieces were new & cost me around $15.

I made mine out of
A flat sheet of steel ducting.
It was actually called a 16” single joist pan.
They were $4.99 each. I bought 3 of them.
1 for practice. 2 to fit as finished.

I tried to pattern them after the Air Boxes
shown on the Hawks 3rd gen web site.

Of course mine are not as good.
Just good enough for me.

If this isn't what your after, maybe it'll give you
an idea on how to make it better.

Check it out if your still intested.
And Good luck.

91z 2 8

ight sweet thx

91z 2 8

i actully jsut got done making one from your instructions cept mine was smaller pipe i couldnt really tell much of a diff but deffinatly some its pretty sweet also mine are stuck in there without anything holding them is that fine or should i attach it?

91-RS-B4C-fake?

I never tried pipe.
I tried flexible dryer tubing before.

But I didn't like the looks of what I ended up with.
It came out pretty hacked up.
(lack of ability on my part)

Plus after it had been in my car for quite a while
I found that it was hard to clean the ribbed surface and
since I did such a shoddy job of installing it,
things were starting to come apart here & there.

That's why I switched to the flat piece of sheet metal.
I was able to build a matching square instead of trying
to mate a round tube to a square filter housing.

As far as fastening it to the gutted air boxes????

Well, mine are fitted to the plastic air boxes
so snug that it was really over kill to
put 4 screws in each gutted air box.

This was how I fastened the dryer tubing before
so I just reused the same screws.

I guess I just worry about something coming loose
when I'm at the track.

Or if a mechanic @ the garage
needed to take things apart for some reason.
I just wanted it to be fairly solid.

And as far as adding anything to the performance.

I think it is all psychological.
If it does help, it is probably more of a cumulative effect.
I mean, every little thing you do adds up.
I figure it can't hurt, so it must help a little.

But I really doubt that it is easily measurable.

I'm glad I could help.

toxik IROC

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so i just finished installing em . the good new is i feel abit of a differance the bad new is i had to cut up some of the plastic and it was a tight fit and i fixed my fogs tooo and added some weight reduction!!! ( all of a pound from stupid plastic)

racing geek

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Do the Hawks boxes have a smooth curve up to the filters or does it have a couple angles to make the bend? Do you think I will still notice some gains if I keep my fog lights?

1bad91Z

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I like the boxes that I made better and I've never had any problems related to them. I just added the screens recently just for looks....

KamikazeIroccy

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nice set up, i already have a modded air cleaner assembly and i cant make nething so i'll just buy the Hawk's boxes

Xlr8torZ28

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One of my friends found a site that had instructions on a "how to" kit, made with 2 6" PVC pipe elbows. You just have to make sure to drill a few samll holes at the bend of the elbow for water drainage. I ask him if he remembers where it was.

92RS(real slow)

ordered the hawks boxes the other day should be here tomorrow I'm excited

KamikazeIroccy

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LMK how you like them, I plan on gettting a pair for myself also!

coastiematt

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bought these years ago for like 40 bucks on ebay... might want to check for them.

The Project

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How do you keep the car from overheating?

Aren't you taking out the plastic ducts that feed (ram) air to the rad in order to feed air to the filters?

KamikazeIroccy

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No, yo dont take off the cooling ducts. You only modify the air cleaner assembly

92RS(real slow)

no you have to remove everything to put them I got mine in the other day, but have to send them back cause one of them is warped, and wont fit

Shadygrady

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interested to see how these work for yall,I like the way they look.Lrt us know how they work out and if you notice a diff.

92RS(real slow)

well finally got my airboxes installed, and I have to say I am happy with the performance result I can tell a slight difference especially at higher speeds, but I am dissapointed with the actual product itself. The first set I got one of the two was perfect fit like a glove the other box would not go on at all the whole top was mishaped not even square. So I had to ship it back to hawks....at my expense!!! so they send me out another one this one is a little better, but still does not slide over airlid properly. Im not sure if this is really hawks fault not trying to give them a bad name or anything, bruce was really nice over the phone, and said that he has a vendor make these and they use a jig...which there is no way considering how there mishapen. So If your planning on getting these I would recomend either making them your self or finding someone to weld them up for you because they are very simple.

69-er

I found a late 80's, early 90's Camaro that had factory ductwork behind the grill. Got it free from the yard.

It has two individual ducts for the grille openings and a large flat piece that keeps air from going over the radiator. Installed it on my 83. It seems to help the engine temp going down the road with the AC on a 105 degree day. Keeps it right around 195-200. (195 thermostat)

Larry

Shadygrady

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Any seat of the pants differance?

92RS(real slow)

yeah deffinently a seat of pants difference...most of it's probaly pshcological though lol , I'm still debating whether or not I wanna put the fog lights back in I miss them

Shadygrady

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I would keep my foglights if I had the airboxes.I cant see the fog lights messing with the airflow that much.The lights are a little forward and smaller than the opening,and the air is being sucked in from every direction.

RevItUpZ28

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I don't have experience with the Hawk's boxes, but bought some from a guy on eBay about 4 years ago. They're made out of riveted sheet metal, painted black. I cut the bottoms off the stock airbox/filter area and slid them in. I can't see it not helping. Never had any problem with water or anything. The filter gets dirtier quicker, but other than that, they work great for me.