I have done alot of thinking on this and although its not final and never will be, I came up with a description of what i believe is going to be my car and the ultimate thirdgen camaro in late future. I am sophmore in college so its gonna be awhile. LOL This is my dream car, lots of time and money will be invested but will turn out this way I hope It starts with my 1989 Iroc-z heres the plan for all the mods that will be done, just basic overview. Tell me what you think. I will hit the motor specs dream motor is ZR1 LT5 stroked to 396 but... 454-472 small block chevy (not typo, 472 small block). Superram intake 1300cfm throttle body. AFR 210's, or brodix Cam, something like ZZX or alot bigger. Gonna be ATI procharger blown or T88 Turboed but I like ease of Procharger huffing 12 lbs of boost longtubes into 4inch single or dual 3 inch exhaust with spiral pro or chambered tube mufflers. LOUD shooting for 700-800 easy hp LOL 9's on street tires MSD ignition FAST fuel management Powder coating the intake, going with red/black Black Widow Theme Block will be red, valve covers black, intake will be of combination of red and black. Maybe some polished items/natural aluminum finish to break it up Nothing real show quality cuz this car will be run hard! BODY Going Pitch Black paint as is with red factory Iroc badges and maybe custom 454 or 472 badges made to match motor. Dont want to give up sleeper look tho. LOL Hawks 5inch spoiler and want 3 inch cowl hood but havent found one that really appeals to me. most are 2.5 inch (to small) or 4inch which is bit big in my opinion. Too much drag look. Custom reverse cowl scoop sorta like mustangs but a little different. Thats what i would like to do. That Japanese Carbon Fiber hood is nice too but not sure on clearance with that thing. SS hood is real nice. probly gonna go with that. red grille insert in the opening. Back bumber will have cutouts for exhaust to tuck up into. Doing the red tail light mod here in a few months and gonna keep that for awhile OR doing the ZR1 tailight panel with mix of red and clear lenses. I would like to put custom extension to stock front end, like a bottom splitter to give the front end a deeper taller flatter look like viper. INTERIOR Custom vette seats or racing seats, recovered in leather or vinyl leather like stuff for cheaper, in a red/black pattern to match Black Widow theme Full 8 point roll cage and harnesses, Red carpet, CD player i got that, minor speaker sound system, lightly tinted windows. New white Guages and panel, possibly brushed aluminum or carbon fiber look all around. DRIVELINE/SUSPENSION Hammer shifter for beefed up 700r4, 3500 stall lockup 12 bolt with 3.42 gears or 9inch ZR1 wheels, either polished or black Grand sport style 17x11 rear, 9.5" front OR ROH snypers 18's by 10 rear, 9 or 8 in front Full aftermarket suspension with stiffer racing springs/adjustable shocks, panhard bar i got, subframe connectors, and everything else you can think of. ----------------------------------------------- Well thats all i can think of for the moment. It will be one of the finest, fastest thirdgens I will have seen. Expensive but well worth it! Nothing fancy as far as paint and rims but set up to drive and kick any supras arse in races. LOL It will be a bad *** car and I cant wait to do it. I really want to do a trans am and got a idea for that, so we have to wait and see if i keep this car down the road. Deffinately keeping thirdgens tho. LOL What do ya think? Where do you see your cars as far as mods go?

keep dreaming ORR Like you wanted that Honda Prelude right lol The day your IROC has all that stuff u listed is the day when i add k&ns to my car Im jk man, I really hope you get your goal man!

sounds like a good plan! good luck with everything!

40,000 dollars later and many years of headaches, trial & tribulation.


good luck with it though, it can happen. i said the same thing 7 years ago myself and now i'm saying it again with the new one but i've narrowed it down to 6 months.

let me just say good luck

and comment on your engine combo.

those heads (either ones you listed) will never flow enough for a 454-472 cid motor with 12lbs of boost. your gonna want something more like a good 18* or 15* head. then your intake won't work, so you'll have to put a custom efi intake on it, big custom cam (in the .700"+ lift range)...holy crap...gets expensive quick.

800hp is easy out of even a 4" bore motor.

that combo that i talked about will make a ridiculous amount of power (1000+hp) but it's expensive.

That combo is something i want to do to be different. Its a mild build up with big inches. Thinking Motown 454 block. Gonna be easy to supercharge it with lots of power but its just a dream car that hopefully will be about what i described. Thanks for the support, and i hope to show it too you in the later years when i get out of school, get a job and start the mods. LOL

I mean it should be fairly easy to do. its not a show car and the car is already black so repaint wont be too bad cost wise. It might not need it buy then if i keep care of it, but it would be best. the motor should run about 10-15 grand and rest of the car should be easily done with another 20grand or less. Hell, i might be happy with the 500hp with the 454 as is and not need the blower. Probly less $$ altogether, especially if i pick up products for cheap.

Forget the AFR's and Superram. You're going to want something like SB2.2's that have been worked on or something like some Dart/Brodix 15* heads, then get a single plane intake converted to EFI with either a 4 barrel throttle body or a 100* elbow and 100mm throttle body. Dont try and set a specific boost level, thats only a measure of restriction. Instead, do what it takes to get your horsepower goal. With everything set up right, you could hit 800 hp on relatively low boost levels. Also, if you keep the rpm's below say 6500 rpm, you could run around a .600-.650 lift hydrualic roller cam and stay away from the solid roller stuff. On the other hand, cubic inches tame big cams, so you could get away with running a large solid roller on the street without the driving characteristics of one in say a 350. Don't forget you're going to need some big headers, at least 1 7/8" at the minimum, 2" ones would be better.

On another note, do a search for a post I made in the Poweradder forum a while back about single turboing a 427 small block. With a T-88, I was shooting for around 900 hp at about 20 psi. Or something like that, its been a while since I looked at it.

Thumbs up on the hawks wing but what teh hell man 4" cowl to big coem on now it complements the lines of the spoielr very well liek its supposed to be nice and matched front and rear.

Best way to do it though make a list of what you want and start checking off things as you go. You are definately lookign at some cash, but over 7 years it shouldnt be to bad, hell i got 8k into mine already and havent had it a full year yet

i got about 3 in it now and its 2 summers old. LOL

Yeah, irocbirdbuilder, i like your car. I agree that the hawks spoiler and 4inch flow nicely based on a pic of yours, but i need to see more pics at different angles to get a final say. Definately gonna do this project one at a time. Gonna do superram zz4 or something first to get by cuz my L98 has some mileage on it 140k, LOL. Great shape but its could use rebuild. Probly gonna do alot more suspension stuff like swaybars, LCA's and reloc brackets, subframe connectors, TDS wonderbar, etc. Then interior, then wheels and tires, then the big motor/rearend setup. The zz4 will get me good times for long while, as this is my next mod probly. Gonna scope out what a mild rebuild will cost me but would like to buy shortblock and do the rest myself.

if you spend that much money on a thirdgen and it doesn't look like a showcar you have problems you could build one for 1/4" to run circles around it and it wouldn't look like a show car.

I am not sure what you mean by showcar?

Whats your deffinition of a show car?

Yeah, my car will be clean and done up right, with big motor like that to produce lots of power easier than smaller motor. Mild cam and heads, but with boost on big inches will make more power than smaller motor cuz the smaller motor will need bigger cam, higher flowing intake/heads with more boost to make same power.

a 454 and 383, there is 71 cubic inch difference. thats 71+hp that will have to be made up with cam, boost and flow.


Anyway, a showcar to me is lots of nice polished alum, chrome, cleaned up real nice, nice paint, nice big clean polished billet rims or drag rims for the Pro street look.

My car will be real clean as i will take care of it all the time. With all the mods I plan on doing, I guess when i look at it, it is show quality. Its motor will be powdercoated and look cool so yeah, i will take it to shows all the time when i can. but I will be to busy racing it and driving it, cutting corners, lapping the backroads and just plain cruising. See where i am coming from? LOL Showing is not the first priority by any means. LOL I will show them my tailights if they can pick them out of the blur of 800hp!

Kandied your car has inspired me to make one real nice but I am a power freak and want more power than other people. I see these turboed supras with 1000hp all the time on internet racing videos and they run the streets. i want a car to compete with that. Today there are lots of 11 second or better street cars and I gotta be able to top that! LOL

11 seconds is 5 and dime and 10sec cars are daily commuters around here.

if you aren't in the 9's you can't play. you have much to shoot for to be a true top dog. with that in mind you still could build a 9 second car for 1/4 what your talking about.

good luck with it though.

i know i could, 9's would be awesome you know but 10's will handle most. Around here, 12's will handle most LOL.

I know i can build one cheaper but for 4500-5000 for a 454 smallblock shortblock all forged built to handle some power. Not a bad deal. For 8 grand total, i can have a solid street motor with over 500 hp easy natural aspirated.

What do you think would be best for motor build up? i like the rare 454 even tho it might not be best for making power but no one has one. its different from all the 406's 350's 383's and such.

it all depends....i mean every combination is 5 and dime out here from those to the ls1's in equal form. there isn't much out this way that would surprise anyone or be new unless you unleashed a 427 ls2 or something of that nature.

personally. having gone the route i have with a standard sbc i would look to go a gen III route. lighter and alot more power with better gas mileage seeing as how evident the economy is getting. if your going to spend a bit which it sounds like your ok with that's what i would do. bbc is cool and sound great no doubt, while it is rare across the country it wouldn't be a great cruiser.

i'm sure whatever you decide will turn out nicely.

yeah, an Ls1 would be awesome, but not sure i like the looks of the motor.
I am not trying to be real different as to do something that hasnt been done before, but something that is different from your average motor. A 454 small block will look like regular 350 to untrained eye, but the cubes are there!LOL

my dream motor is LT5 over anything, but LS1 is nice. Toomuch wiring and just doesnt apeal to me like a superram or custom EFI setup.

I am talking about a small block chevy tho. not big block LOL, the world motown 454 stuff. LOL

yeah i dont like the looks of a LS1, I love the TUNED PORT INJECTION look more, i think it looks meaner. TPI with a Superchargers looks hot!

I guess the term "daily driver" went out the window in this dream right?

On a more serious note, if you get near the 1000 HP mark, you'll be either over the line or near the line of breaking/twisting the frame. And I don't know if a 700R4 can take that abuse, no matter how built up is.

You dont think a full caged, subframed connected camaro could handle 1000hp? I am only shooting for 700-800 but yeah it will be mostly a summer driver, i will have another car for serious traveling like a prelude or something LOL

you bring up a good point one the 700R4, this dream of mine is only base thought. Somethings will come up and screw the dream up like always, but thats to be expected LOL. Just going to make some modifications from there.

you'll change your mind in 2 months, i guarentee, but hey dreams are great

almost, they use a tall deck block for those cubic inch motors. i just remembered that.

two months? yeah right, this has been a plan of action since i was 15-16 looking for a car! Bought the Roc two years later after working hard at restaurant and saving my money from holidays. I bought the camaro based on potential to go fast someday. LOL Its a process and since i am a student and have no job now, only during summer is where i can make money so this "dream" of mine must occur later on once i am out of school. Trust me on this one, if this doesnt happen, its because i bought a Trans Am, corvette, or older muscle car. LOL Either way, my car will be fast!

yeah to the untrained eye that doesnt recognize that the block is a tall deck block. LOL

hmmmmm....(ponders header fitment issues)

you can build a 454 small block with a standard deck block, to go any larger though you need a tall deck.

look at you now.. i know this is an old post... i was just reading through some old post.... i think you have reached that goal. i started out the same way with my car... got my car when i was 17 working at foodlion... now years later im 23 years old and im almost done with my dream tpi build with my car....

That aint no kidding!!! One thing we can give the internet, allows you to watch someones dream or goal unfold infront of your own eyes