Tech / General Engine Is your car making a strange sound or won't start? Thinking of adding power with a new combination? Need other technical information or engine specific advice? Don't see another board for your problem? Post it here!

l98 heads or swirl port

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-31-2002, 02:47 PM
  #1  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
l98 heads or swirl port

what casting# are the stock l98 heads? I bought some and I think I got ripped off! they look like swirl port heads and have a casting #1410283
Old 12-31-2002, 04:43 PM
  #2  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
I don't see that casting # listed.

These are the TPI castings

14096217...55-86...350..........Crate motor, 285hp/300hp, 64cc chambers,
72' or 90' center intake manifold bolt angles
14101081...87-95...305
14101083...87-up...350..........Gen.I, also used on crate motors, 285 or 300 hp, 64cc
chambers, 72' center manifold bolt
angles
Have to check the casting numbers carfully with a strong light.
Sometimes a flat file is needed to highlight the digits so you can
read them.

If there is a turbulence bump at the pushrod side of the port entrance and a big swirl director cast into the port in the bowl
them it is a "swirl port head" . It has limited high performance potential.
Old 12-31-2002, 05:34 PM
  #3  
Supreme Member

 
AJ_92RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: USA
Posts: 4,969
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: yy wife, crazy.
Engine: 350, Vortecs, 650DP
Transmission: TH-350
Axle/Gears: 8.5", 3.42
Have you looked in the intake port from the valve side (with the valve removed)?

If they look like this...... http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f4b2a...pziE.ASlvmFrbI then you got ripped.

More than likely the casting number is #14102193. That 9 can look like an 8 sometimes. I have a set that I'm gonna put in my truck. The reason I'm gonna put them in my truck is because they're truck heads. They've got 76cc chambers, and they don't flow more than a piece of Twizzler liquorice. I also have #14102191 which are the same thing, just different casting #.

Go to www.mortec.com and see if you can find anything that helps you determine what they are.

I hate to say it, but it does sound like someone took you.
Old 12-31-2002, 08:12 PM
  #4  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
they do have the fin on the bowl area of the intake runner. I told him I wanted my money back because they are not the tpi 350 heads. he said it was my fault for not asking him for the casting numbers and the sale is final. I still have the e-mails where he claimed they were tpi 350 heads and if he does not give me tpi 350 heads or my money back I will notify his police department. what do you guys think? I am not trying to be a jerk but, thats my money and if he said they were tpi 350 heads then thats what I should have right?
Old 12-31-2002, 08:28 PM
  #5  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
If what you have are the 193 swirl port heads and you were after 350TPI heads and he stated that they were 350TPI heads
then he clearly mis represented what he was selling, just to get the sale.

Your best option is to have a lawyer prepare and send a letter for you threatening Fraud.

If it was over the internet or through the mail system it is
considered "Mail Fraud". I believe that is a felony in the U.S.
You'll have to threaten legal action (small claims court action)
and be prepared to follow thru if nessessary.
Usually once this is done, the jig is up and the seller will want to negociate a resonable remedy. (return and refund). Just document all correspondence, and stick to your guns.
Do not admit to any fault or partial fault on your part.
How much $$$ are we talking about here?

Last edited by F-BIRD'88; 12-31-2002 at 08:51 PM.
Old 12-31-2002, 08:38 PM
  #6  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
only $100.00 dollars but, I could have gotten the swirls for $50.00 all day at the yards if I had wanted them.
Old 12-31-2002, 08:48 PM
  #7  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
This is what he wrote to me after seeing my add in the classifides.....

I SAW YOUR AD LOOKING FOR TPI HEADS. I HAVE A PAIR OFF MY 89'BIRD 350.
> DISASSEMBLED, BUT HAVE VALVES, ROCKERS, AND VALVE COVERS (NO STEM SEALS)
IN
> EXCELLENT SHAPE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.
> THANKS
> DAN

this is what he just wrote...

I checked the other pair that I have and they will not work either. Sorry,
but as you can tell, no where in any of the e-mails (you can see them below)
do I state that they are (L98) heads. I am sorry for the confusion. My
recommendation would be that you post them on a website and try to re-sell
them yourself.
Sorry for the confusion.
Dan
Old 12-31-2002, 08:51 PM
  #8  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
oh, this is my add..

I am looking for a set of stock 350 heads for the tpi, 87-92 I don't care if the guides and seals are shot just rebuildable is all I care about. give me an e-mail at: joelcameron@charter.net with a price. thanks for your time
Old 12-31-2002, 09:12 PM
  #9  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
He's making excuses.. TPI heads are what you were after.
He said he had TPI heads for sale.
Weather he stated L-98 heads is irrelevent. "TPI Heads" are specific enough. Especially in his case cause he clearly knows the difference. I'm assuming you never mentioned "L-98".
By himoffering this specific additional info after the fact as an excuse shows that he knows which are which well enough to
not get them mixed up. certainly more than u did.

You should get some brief (Maybe free) local legal advice and threaten legal action with a registered letter if possible. You may have to file a small claims court suit in his local
area. (state, county)??
Then i guess you have to weight the fight/$$$/bother balance and decide how much of a stink you should make over it.

Question : why do you want another set of "TPI heads"when you already have a good set?

Good Luck to ya any ways...
Old 12-31-2002, 09:20 PM
  #10  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
Tell him you recommend he hire F.Lee Bailey 'cause your going to nail his a** in court if he doesn't promptly refund your $$$.

He has already admitted to "confusion".... His not yours.
And that you clearly got the Wrong heads.

Where did you advertise for these heads anyweays and where is he? On thirdgen.org?

Last edited by F-BIRD'88; 12-31-2002 at 09:27 PM.
Old 12-31-2002, 09:23 PM
  #11  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
my car had a 305 tpi originally then I put a 350 roller block in it which had mods olong with the 305 heads. now I have a 400 in it and the heads are just too small, I think the 305 heads will shroud the 2.02 valves I want to have installed.

should I even respond back to him? I question the police action if it will help at all but, they may tell him strait out I am in the right and he should refund my money.
Old 12-31-2002, 09:41 PM
  #12  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
Well usually a little lean by a cop will help or a nasty letter
on a law firms letterhead ..... ha ha ha..

How about i give ya about $300 worth of good advice.

You already have the better TPI head. Forget the 2.02 valve
not worth it in these heads or most factory heads.
The 2.02 also weakens the head more than its worth.

The ports are the same. The 305 head has a better combustion chamber shape and allows more creative, flow enhancing
un shrouding of the valves any ways.
Port the 305 heads further and use 1.94x 1.60 valves. Dont be shy. You almost can't over do it.
You can get 240 cfm intake flow and 180+ cfm exhuast with
the head yu have. The 350TPI heads are no better.
Thats all the flow you'll need for a solid 12 sec car.

Sell the heads you bought in error. Honestly as TBI swirl port heads and work on your heads. When your all done you chamber size will not be too small either. Should end up with about 61/62cc's. Get a 400 head gasket and carefully drill out the extra 400 steam holes.
At any rate it s the TPI manifold/ long runners that are restricting
further horsepower not the head.
Port the head more and switch to a short runner type intake.
Like night and day. The LT-1 conversion manifold available on the internet is real cool.

http://www.lt1intake.com/


You'll end up with a better head.... trust me....

P.S> we all learn better from our mistakes.....

I have much first hand experience here....

If any one trys to tell ya a 305 or 305 heads are garbage,
just show 'em this.

http://www.wildgooseperformance.com/

A 305 with 305 "416 305 heads" in a Monte Carlo doing a 10 sec quarter mile. he he hee

Last edited by F-BIRD'88; 12-31-2002 at 09:53 PM.
Old 12-31-2002, 09:52 PM
  #13  
Supreme Member

 
8Mike9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Oakdale, Ca
Posts: 5,183
Received 42 Likes on 38 Posts
Car: 89 IrocZ
Engine: L98-ish
Transmission: 700R4
Well, I think that someone should slap him upside the head (pun intended).

Sure, nowhere did he mention "L98", but he inferred it when he said "my '89 "bird 350".

Most likely a legal course of action would net you nothing, because you got what he told you...heads off HIS 350 'Bird.

The guys a scumbag, plain and simple...post his email addy and screen name here and on the Classified Feedback for all to see...make the puke sell his stuff somewhere else
Old 01-01-2003, 08:16 AM
  #14  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
thanks alot! I think I will just notify the police and see what they say and do. most likely scare the **** out of him. pluse he is my age 22 cops seem to be rougher on younger guys. If I sell the heads I doubt I will see 100.00 for them due to them being swirlport heads or tbi truck heads wich go for 50.00 at the local yards.

so basically if he gave me "TPI heads" 305 or not they would still be better and at least he could say they were tpi heads.

I got them here on thirdgen but, I don't know his user name just his real one. I looked everything up and he does exist where he claims to live (the stuff you can find on the net )

and here is the whole e-mail sequence no edits nothing! ........

Joel,
I checked the other pair that I have and they will not work either. Sorry,
but as you can tell, no where in any of the e-mails (you can see them below)
do I state that they are (L98) heads. I am sorry for the confusion. My
recommendation would be that you post them on a website and try to re-sell
them yourself.
Sorry for the confusion.
Dan





----Original Message Follows----
From: "Joel Cameron" <joelcameron@charter.net>
To: "Dan Oppermann" <danzws6@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: tpi heads
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:11:02 -0600

I got the heads home and took a closer look at them and saw that they are
swirl port heads, perhaps you dug out the wrong ones? the casing number
1410283 is what they have. the L98 heads"TPI 350" heads are a differant
casting number
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Oppermann" <danzws6@hotmail.com>
To: <joelcameron@charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: tpi heads


> I'M LOOKING TO GET $100.00 FOR THEM. I'LL MEET YOU HALF WAY. THE WEEKENDS
> WORK BETTER FOR ME. IF YOU WANT CALL ME TO DISCUSS A MEETING POINT. I'LL
> INCLUDE THE:ROCKERS,(GRAY) VALVE COVERS W\OIL CAP AND MAYBE PUSH RODS.
NOT
> SURE ON RODS? DO YOU NEED A 350 BLOCK? IT'S NON-ROLLER 88' 2-BOLT .040
OVER
> WITH PISTONS,RODS,CRANK. CHEAP!!! DON'T NEED.
> THANKS
> DAN
> 262-689-3224 CELL CALL ANYTIME!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Joel Cameron" <joelcameron@charter.net>
> To: "Dan Oppermann" <danzws6@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: tpi heads
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:51:42 -0600
>
> I am interested in the heads. I have been talking to a few people about
> prices they rang from 100.00-150.00 let me know what you are asking and
if
> I could pick them up or not
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Oppermann" <danzws6@hotmail.com>
> To: <joelcameron@charter.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
> Subject: tpi heads
>
>
> > I SAW YOUR AD LOOKING FOR TPI HEADS. I HAVE A PAIR OFF MY 89'BIRD 350.
> > DISASSEMBLED, BUT HAVE VALVES, ROCKERS, AND VALVE COVERS (NO STEM
SEALS)
> IN
> > EXCELLENT SHAPE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.
> > THANKS
> > DAN
> > P.S. I AM LOCATED IN WEST BEND, WI.
> >
> >


*the other thing that pisses me off is I was more than honest when I told him the prices every one else wanted for there heads and he still screwed me*
Old 01-01-2003, 08:18 AM
  #15  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
danzws6@hotmail.com

the jerks e-mail
Old 01-01-2003, 08:29 AM
  #16  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
look what I just saw

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=150944

can we both file the same court action on him?

I guess that is his name then "danzws6"
Old 01-01-2003, 09:05 AM
  #17  
Supreme Member

 
Cruzin Kaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Welland, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 85 Monte Carlo SS...
Engine: T.P.I L98.
Transmission: TH350
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi
Originally posted by 88 350 tpi formula
danzws6@hotmail.com

the jerks e-mail
Oh it's that guy again. He seems to be ripping alot of people off. We will all remember him now. Hope you get it all straightened out. Good luck!

Last edited by Cruzin Kaz; 01-01-2003 at 09:17 AM.
Old 01-01-2003, 09:11 AM
  #18  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
I e-mailed a few people who got ripped off I want to all get together and pin his *** to the wall. I got the police number for his area. (262)335-5000 I know with this many people we will get him.
Old 01-01-2003, 01:44 PM
  #19  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thats the same guy who gave Craig a hard time! Craig is also supposedly to have purchased those 89 firebird 350 heads. They guy never said that they were l98 just 350 heads. Craig thought it was implied that they were when he said 89 350 trans am heads. Well I have the bums adress if anybody wants it. I also have his full name.
Old 01-01-2003, 02:08 PM
  #20  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Also on Craigs money order it states "For L98 heads and rockers" next to Dan oppermans name. So craig clearly stated what they were for and Dan has supposedly shipped 1 head out. The other need reboxing he said. He is supposed to get it sometime this week so i will let you know if they are L98 or the swirl port heads. I have it scanned so i can e-mail it to anyone who wants it. I think Craig is going to get rippped off so i will offer all any help that i can to get this guy. AND you shouldnt have to run the #s if what you are asking for is l98 heads and this guy is trying to sell his swirl port heads. What a sleeze bag. Ban him. And we should post his adress so if he registers under a different name than he wont be able to sell his items. I am all for legal action against this guy. I will offer all the help that i can. Let me know.......

Last edited by hotrod43; 01-01-2003 at 03:12 PM.
Old 01-01-2003, 02:12 PM
  #21  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
this is the reciept i hope it posts

Damn didnt work

Last edited by hotrod43; 01-01-2003 at 03:13 PM.
Old 01-01-2003, 03:38 PM
  #22  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
here is the picture of the int. bowl you can see that fin just laughing at me
Attached Thumbnails l98 heads or swirl port-swirlport.jpg  
Old 01-01-2003, 03:38 PM
  #23  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
here is the picture of the int. bowl you can see that fin just laughing at me
Attached Thumbnails l98 heads or swirl port-swirlport.jpg  
Old 01-01-2003, 03:38 PM
  #24  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
here is the picture of the int. bowl you can see that fin just laughing at me
Attached Thumbnails l98 heads or swirl port-swirlport.jpg  
Old 01-01-2003, 04:38 PM
  #25  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
How do you post pics? I am just trying cut and paste. But that wont work. Anything else?
Old 01-01-2003, 04:44 PM
  #26  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
I just go to the bottom of the post box. where you right your reply and there is a spot for attach file. just use the brows button to navigate till you end up where you have the file stored. also if it is too big it will not allow you to post it.
Old 01-01-2003, 04:51 PM
  #27  
Supreme Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (9)
 
88 350 tpi formula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: WI,USA
Posts: 3,530
Received 17 Likes on 16 Posts
Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
here you go!
Attached Thumbnails l98 heads or swirl port-money-order-dan.jpg  
Old 01-02-2003, 12:08 AM
  #28  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As u can see it is for L98 heads. The rest kinda got blured but it is for the heads and rockers. It also shows the date in which Craig purchased the MO and the amount. The head still has not yet arrived so we will see what the casting # reveals when it does come. It should be here in the next few days.
Old 01-02-2003, 12:29 AM
  #29  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (7)
 
Dyno Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Orange, CA
Posts: 5,674
Likes: 0
Received 106 Likes on 65 Posts
Car: '90 Trans Am-12.45@110.71
Engine: 355 w/AFR 195's Elem. 400/430 HP/TQ
Transmission: Tremec T-56
Axle/Gears: 12 Bolt 3.73
Originally posted by AJ_92RS
Have you looked in the intake port from the valve side (with the valve removed)?



More than likely the casting number is #14102193. That 9 can look like an 8 sometimes. I have a set that I'm gonna put in my truck. The reason I'm gonna put them in my truck is because they're truck heads. They've got 76cc chambers, and they don't flow more than a piece of Twizzler liquorice. I also have #14102191 which are the same thing, just different casting #.

I ported a set of those heads and put them back on and gained 40 HP @ the rear wheels....so they're not all that bad! (210 rwhp before...250 rwhp after)
But I do understand how you feel.
Old 01-02-2003, 11:55 AM
  #30  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have a set of truck heads. they are off a 96 pick up. they are not vortecs but they are the new style. They dont have swirl ports either. Heads look fine with no cracks. Asking $50 plus s&h. Just e-mail me if you want them.
Old 01-03-2003, 08:48 PM
  #31  
Member
 
boogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Coushatta LA
Posts: 266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
hotrod43:
I cannot think of a head other than a vortec or swirl port used on a 96 truck... What is the casting #?
Old 01-03-2003, 11:48 PM
  #32  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
Originally posted by boogie
hotrod43:
I cannot think of a head other than a vortec or swirl port used on a 96 truck... What is the casting #?
Could be a 305 L-30 vortec head. The chamber looks like a
L-98 chamber. the valves are smaller 1.84x1.50. The ports are vortec ports. They're sort of a cross between the two.
What is the casting # on the head?
Old 01-04-2003, 08:18 PM
  #33  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
These are truck heads they are the center bolt style. They are off a 96 truck. The are not L31 vortec heads. Here is the casting #J205 and the number 10110810. Make me an offer? $50 bucks or bo and they are yours. They are fine heads. They just arnt what i am looking for. The vaulves are fine and it has no cracks that i can see. it comes with rockers. Good way to get some power with a porting job. Heads only got 45k on them. Motivated SELLER! take money orders and cashiers checks, buyer pays shipping, no refunds on shipping


This is Craigs ad. He still has them. I just thought that i would post if anybody else wanted them. They are not the heads danzws6 us sending him. I may even do a mild port on them if you want. I have a porting kit at my house.
Old 01-04-2003, 08:41 PM
  #34  
Member
 
boogie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Coushatta LA
Posts: 266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They are suppose to be swirl port heads, I have only seen them on HD 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
Old 01-04-2003, 11:10 PM
  #35  
Junior Member
 
hotrod43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nirvana
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No they are not swirl port. Everything looks good no cracks that i can see vaulves look real good. like i said for $50 plus s&h it is a good deal.
Old 01-05-2003, 01:15 AM
  #36  
Supreme Member

 
F-BIRD'88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,111
Received 52 Likes on 49 Posts
Car: 1988 Firebird S/E
Engine: 406Ci Vortec SBC
Transmission: TH-350/3500stall
Axle/Gears: 7.5" Auburn 4.10 Posi-Traction
1986-88 14089119 350 1.94 1.5001 - EFI
1987 14101083 350 1.94 1.5001 - EFI
1987 14101128 350 1.94 1.5001 - EFI
1986-88 14102191 350 1.94 1.5001 - EFI, swirl port
1986-88 14102193 350 1.94 1.5001 - EFI
1986-91 10110810 305 1.84 1.5001 - EFI,swirl port, stat wgn
1986-91 14101081 305 1.84 1.5001 - EFI, std port
1988-93 14102188 350 1.94 1.5001 - EFI, swirl port
1986-91 14102187 305 1.84 1.5001 - EFI, swirl port
Old 01-05-2003, 10:08 PM
  #37  
Junior Member
 
HotRod44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I went to mortec.com and they told me that it was a gen I head off of a 90+ truck. They guy who craig bought it off of e-bay siad it was off a 96 truck. I will post the link to the auction when i can find it. Also i am hotrod43 i screwed up my e-mail so i am now hotrod44. thanks
Old 01-05-2003, 10:10 PM
  #38  
Junior Member
 
HotRod44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
And they are not swirl port. I have seen the heads there is no fin in the chamber. They look like regular heads.
Old 01-05-2003, 10:14 PM
  #39  
Junior Member
 
HotRod44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1865222985


here is the url hopefully you will be able to see the auction. in the auction it shows a pic of the heads just scroll down to the bottom.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
lt500r55
Tech / General Engine
6
09-01-2021 01:30 PM
Vintageracer
Camaros for Sale
12
01-10-2020 05:33 PM
MoJoe
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
11
09-24-2015 09:12 PM
italiano67
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Wanted
3
08-31-2015 06:04 PM
355tpipickup
Alternative Port EFI Intakes
3
08-29-2015 10:47 PM



Quick Reply: l98 heads or swirl port



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:09 PM.