A.C. Delete Who has done it??
02-19-2003, 07:42 PM
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A.C. Delete Who has done it??
I was going to take the AC and all the parts off my car since I dont use it and its taking up space. I am trying to clean up the engine as much as possible for engine swap and AC is not a concern. Who has done this and what did you do to make it look good?? Need to know where to get a AC Delete pulley also.
02-19-2003, 07:49 PM
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I have removed every single item related to A/C except the compressor. I have an A/C delete heater box and a pulley coming in the mail. The box I got off Ebay, the pulley from gmpartsdirect.com.
02-19-2003, 08:07 PM
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I took it all off, and redid my belt so I don't need a pulley. I made plates to block off the holes left from removal.
02-19-2003, 11:08 PM
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now thats one ****ing clean looking engine bay. tomarrow im about to go out and drain the A/C system of the freon, dont tall no one...
, then im taking it all off, and just cap it till i can go buy a A/C heater box from a friend for $40.
, then im taking it all off, and just cap it till i can go buy a A/C heater box from a friend for $40.
02-20-2003, 12:41 AM
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I still have heat.....
I gave it the "Krylon touch" before install .
These boxes are getting harder and harder to find though... I got mine off the classifieds here at thirdgen... I forget who I got it from though
. If you go the non-A/C heater box route you will also need a different blower motor and wheel.
Mine could look a lot cleaner, but I kept the heater control valve and have those heater hoses routed all over the place to keep them away from the engine..... not the fanciest looking setup, but it works fine and I don't have to deal with them when working on the engine.
Mine is also an 87 so I was able to just remove the A/C compressor and related brackets all together from the engine. The condensor is a simple removal with the upper radiator mount plate (the black plastic thing) removed and the lines disconnected... The lines and the accumulator are also a simple yank and toss operation as well.... I kept the wiring intact just in case and tucked it into the harnesses and taped them up.
HTH
I gave it the "Krylon touch" before install
.These boxes are getting harder and harder to find though... I got mine off the classifieds here at thirdgen... I forget who I got it from though
. If you go the non-A/C heater box route you will also need a different blower motor and wheel.Mine could look a lot cleaner, but I kept the heater control valve and have those heater hoses routed all over the place to keep them away from the engine..... not the fanciest looking setup, but it works fine and I don't have to deal with them when working on the engine.
Mine is also an 87 so I was able to just remove the A/C compressor and related brackets all together from the engine. The condensor is a simple removal with the upper radiator mount plate (the black plastic thing) removed and the lines disconnected... The lines and the accumulator are also a simple yank and toss operation as well.... I kept the wiring intact just in case and tucked it into the harnesses and taped them up.
HTH
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Car: 1987 Trans Am GTA
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Originally posted by llvll4l2c91350
Did you get a blower assembly with it or did you reuse your old stuff?
Did you get a blower assembly with it or did you reuse your old stuff?
. I had to get a non-A/C blower motor and wheel from my local parts store and I think they ran about $40 for both (might have gotten a healthy discount though for those prices... I know folks 
). I think I paid $75 shipped for the heater box.
02-20-2003, 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Matt87GTA
I just edited my post . I had to get a non-A/C blower motor and wheel from my local parts store and I think they ran about $40 for both (might have gotten a healthy discount though for those prices... I know folks ). I think I paid $75 shipped for the heater box.
I just edited my post
. I had to get a non-A/C blower motor and wheel from my local parts store and I think they ran about $40 for both (might have gotten a healthy discount though for those prices... I know folks ). I think I paid $75 shipped for the heater box.
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Here's mine: non-AC delete box, bought it from someone here on thirdgen.org who sells them. It came with the blower motor and wheel, but I paid like $90 or so with shipping included. I eliminated the heater valve to make things a little cleaner. Also, I didnt want to cut out any of the harnesses for the AC, in case I ever want to put it back on, so I carefully tucked them away inside the polyloom, or back in the fender.
02-20-2003, 06:22 AM
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hmmm
heres what me and bluegrassz did for ours just until we can get the non ac heater boxes.....
it's great losing the ac because of the weight savings and it gets rid of the condensor so the radiator has no flow abstructions at all for better cooling.... mate that with a 160* thermostat and your set!!!!
it's great losing the ac because of the weight savings and it gets rid of the condensor so the radiator has no flow abstructions at all for better cooling.... mate that with a 160* thermostat and your set!!!!
02-20-2003, 04:48 PM
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im a little confused about what all you guys did. i dont know the names of the parts that you guys are talking about very well. Please help me, what could i do to get the clean look of your bays.
02-20-2003, 06:28 PM
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Hulk,
I don't have it right now, I'm at work. I will get it tonight, and post it tomorrow. THe tensioner works great.
I don't have it right now, I'm at work. I will get it tonight, and post it tomorrow. THe tensioner works great.
02-20-2003, 06:58 PM
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I was needing the part numbers also if anyone can look them up or knows them. Man yall got some clean engine bays, hope mine turns out half that good.
02-22-2003, 12:32 PM
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Edelbrock TBI/ Carb STB , pretty easy installation, and it really tighted up the front end , about $120 i believe from summit.
02-23-2003, 05:30 PM
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IROCZDAVE is selling there for about 70 plus shipping and it includes the wiring, hardware, and blower motor/fan.
02-23-2003, 06:02 PM
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Man there were 3 in the junk yard by me when I went hunting... I took the best looking one and gave the guy $20 came with the motor, resistors, vent hose and wiring. Put a coat of flat paint on it and it looks great!!
02-24-2003, 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by Matt87GTA
These boxes are getting harder and harder to find though... I got mine off the classifieds here at thirdgen... I forget who I got it from though . If you go the non-A/C heater box route you will also need a different blower motor and wheel.
These boxes are getting harder and harder to find though... I got mine off the classifieds here at thirdgen... I forget who I got it from though
. If you go the non-A/C heater box route you will also need a different blower motor and wheel.
02-24-2003, 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by Hulk0202
Oh, so if you CAN gouge someone for money you SHOULD? Do you belong to OPEC by any chance?
Oh, so if you CAN gouge someone for money you SHOULD? Do you belong to OPEC by any chance?
Tell me this...
Let's say you owned an original 1955 bel-air. Bought it brand new back in the day for 6,000. Still in good condition today but a few minor problems with the body. A little rust. Well people are paying close to $25,000 for a totally original mint example of one because they are popular. So you could probably get maybe 15,000. Are you going to try and sell it for 15,000 or 6,000?
Do you own your own home? Real Estate appreciates and you get to sell it for more than you bought.....are you gouging someone because you sat on a good piece of property until it became profitable? no. You are simply taking advantage of the market.
GOUGING someone is overcharging them for something readily available and accessable....now if you could buy the boxes straight from GM for $40 and i charged someone $100 and he paid for it, then yes i'm gouging. I'm simply trying to make a profit. Sorry you dont feel the same way.....
02-25-2003, 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by TomP
WHAT??!?! Crap. I left the motor and cage-fan in the junkyard when I grabbed my a/c delete box. What's different about these pieces?? Dammit... I know I could buy a motor outright, but where the heck am I gonna get the cage fan?? Does someone still make the fan?
WHAT??!?! Crap. I left the motor and cage-fan in the junkyard when I grabbed my a/c delete box. What's different about these pieces?? Dammit... I know I could buy a motor outright, but where the heck am I gonna get the cage fan?? Does someone still make the fan?
02-25-2003, 03:52 PM
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Sweet! Thanks, JP!! I'll give it a shot. Maybe I'll even grab a fan from a junkyard to play with it first. Thanks for the tip on using a regular 'ol soldering iron to "weld" it back together; didn't think that would work.
Whew; thought I screwed the pooch on that one. That's the last time I ever think "oh, I have a (part name) already, I'll just leave this in the junkyard"!
[edit] Oh and regards the availability of these things; the day before I found mine, I found another one- sort of. It was in an '85 Firebird, without factory a/c- but with an aftermarket air conditioning system!! I was like "oh, cool", then "Oh, damn" when I saw they removed (and probably threw out) the old heater box. They had some homemade square box on there. I meant to go back with my $60 digital pen-cam and take some shots of it, but when I went back, the car had been crushed.
Kinda funky; they modified the original heater controls. The fan speed switch was replaced with a big combination switch (think power/volume/tone switch of an old 8-track radio) that turned the a/c on and off. Compressor was a somewhat skinny, very long Nippendenso, with a homemade bracket. It was driven off an added-on pulley to the factory crank pulley. Dammit; now that I think of it; I should've gotten the crank pulley and water pump pulley off that car for my car- the junkyard car was a 2.8 MPFI v6, same as my motor.
The worst to come out of the $100 pricetag for that box is nobody buys it, and he's stuck with it. And from the rarity of these boxes, it doesn't sound like he's bothered with being stuck with it. If I could score a second one for my future "I'm married and have a two car garage" v8 Firebird project car, I will. Besides, it's not like the box can't be fabricated.
Hey... there's an idea... who wants to make a fiberglass mold for these things? Lets reproduce them ourselves!!
Whew; thought I screwed the pooch on that one.
That's the last time I ever think "oh, I have a (part name) already, I'll just leave this in the junkyard"![edit] Oh and regards the availability of these things; the day before I found mine, I found another one- sort of. It was in an '85 Firebird, without factory a/c- but with an aftermarket air conditioning system!! I was like "oh, cool", then "Oh, damn" when I saw they removed (and probably threw out) the old heater box. They had some homemade square box on there. I meant to go back with my $60 digital pen-cam and take some shots of it, but when I went back, the car had been crushed.
Kinda funky; they modified the original heater controls. The fan speed switch was replaced with a big combination switch (think power/volume/tone switch of an old 8-track radio) that turned the a/c on and off. Compressor was a somewhat skinny, very long Nippendenso, with a homemade bracket. It was driven off an added-on pulley to the factory crank pulley. Dammit; now that I think of it; I should've gotten the crank pulley and water pump pulley off that car for my car- the junkyard car was a 2.8 MPFI v6, same as my motor.
The worst to come out of the $100 pricetag for that box is nobody buys it, and he's stuck with it. And from the rarity of these boxes, it doesn't sound like he's bothered with being stuck with it. If I could score a second one for my future "I'm married and have a two car garage" v8 Firebird project car, I will. Besides, it's not like the box can't be fabricated.
Hey... there's an idea... who wants to make a fiberglass mold for these things? Lets reproduce them ourselves!!
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Originally posted by TomP
Hey... there's an idea... who wants to make a fiberglass mold for these things? Lets reproduce them ourselves!!
Hey... there's an idea... who wants to make a fiberglass mold for these things? Lets reproduce them ourselves!!
02-25-2003, 08:57 PM
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IROCZDAVE is selling there for about 70 plus shipping and it includes the wiring, hardware, and blower motor/fan.
IROCZDAVE is selling there for about 70 plus shipping and it includes the wiring, hardware, and blower motor/fan.
he posted he had a few on the 19 and and on the 23 he ran out again, i am glad i got my e-mail in early!
http://members.***.net/iroczdave1/IR...rts%20Page.htm
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Originally posted by JPrevost
The motors are the same but you need the correct fan else modify. I just took the long fan and cut it down then plastic welded it back together with a cheap soldering iron.
The motors are the same but you need the correct fan else modify. I just took the long fan and cut it down then plastic welded it back together with a cheap soldering iron.
. Oh, so if you CAN gouge someone for money you SHOULD? Do you belong to OPEC by any chance?
02-26-2003, 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by JPrevost
The motors are the same but you need the correct fan else modify. I just took the long fan and cut it down then plastic welded it back together with a cheap soldering iron.
The motors are the same but you need the correct fan else modify. I just took the long fan and cut it down then plastic welded it back together with a cheap soldering iron.
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The fan cage has a plastic ring at the end facing the firewall. Cut this off flush. Then mark where you need clearance and cut the fins. Solder back the ring being careful to keep the welds LARGE.
02-26-2003, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by JPrevost
Already being done. I've got the materials to make the molds and the box's out of glass. Of course I'll be charging $65 but that comes with a modified fan just incase you don't feel like spending extra on finding one AND shipping. Oh and it'll reuse your current resistor wires for the motor speed. Oh, can't forget it'll come with hardware (shorter bolts) and a gasket. If that's not good enough for you, how's being sanded smooth and painted sound, or I could cut you a deal like DJ Sexay did with his kick panels.
Already being done. I've got the materials to make the molds and the box's out of glass. Of course I'll be charging $65 but that comes with a modified fan just incase you don't feel like spending extra on finding one AND shipping. Oh and it'll reuse your current resistor wires for the motor speed. Oh, can't forget it'll come with hardware (shorter bolts) and a gasket. If that's not good enough for you, how's being sanded smooth and painted sound, or I could cut you a deal like DJ Sexay did with his kick panels.
02-26-2003, 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by JPrevost
The fan cage has a plastic ring at the end facing the firewall. Cut this off flush. Then mark where you need clearance and cut the fins. Solder back the ring being careful to keep the welds LARGE.
The fan cage has a plastic ring at the end facing the firewall. Cut this off flush. Then mark where you need clearance and cut the fins. Solder back the ring being careful to keep the welds LARGE.
02-26-2003, 06:05 PM
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Just got my Delete pulley
OK, I just ordered my delete pulley and it looks different from the pics above. the plate the bolts go thru is only an inch thick and the pulley is only 3" in diameter. I ordered PN 10115875. It looks like it may work with some kind of spacers to make up for the plate thickness but I dont know.
02-26-2003, 06:11 PM
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Eric,
It is the pulley at the bottom of the pic. Sorry, but I don not have any specs on it. It is a direct bolt in piece.
I purchased the pulley from gmpartsdirect.com for around $46.00.
It is the pulley at the bottom of the pic. Sorry, but I don not have any specs on it. It is a direct bolt in piece.
I purchased the pulley from gmpartsdirect.com for around $46.00.
02-26-2003, 06:51 PM
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Here is how I did it:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=163176
Here is how I did it:
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=163176
Camaro91S,
The part # for the third gen delete pulley is 10055890. You may have gotten the one for 4th gen cars. The pulley should fit perfectly without any modifications.
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