mtx28

first, what is the difference btw ABS brakes and anti lock. secondly, when were these available/standard on camaro's?

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• 83 Z28--ttops, 200k miles--very ragged out. sold, thank goodness
• 74 Z28--slightly modded 383, TH400 tranny, not too quick but fun to drive

mtx28

sorry, although i've been here quite a while, i didnt see we had a brake section until after i posted this ironically... moderators move it if you read this

ploegi

ABS and anti-lock are two terms for the same thing. ABS was first available on thirdgens in 1992.

Rob P

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NO. ABS was not available on a Camaro until 1993, the beginning of the fourth gen. I have toyed with the idea of trying to install an ABS system from either an S-10 or Astro, since they have similar brake designs as our 3rd gens (spindle/rotor sizes) on my 89RS.

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Ward

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ABS is overrated. Contrary to popular belief, ABS does not make the car stop faster. It simply keeps the driver from locking up the wheels, resulting in a skid, and possible loss of control. In my opinion, ABS is a tool to help big fat dumb women driving mini vans keep from mashing the brake and skidding out of control. If you are a skilled driver, you should be able to hold the brakes at the point just before lockup.

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mtx28

yea.. there's always a BUT though. quick story: last thursday me and a friend of mine(in his '94 explorer, im driving bc he's been drinking) are driving up to see U2 in charlotte, NC(very awesome btw). anyways, its pouring cats and dogs like you wouldnt believe, and this stupid *** a few cars up stops in the middle of the damn road to turn left(4 lane road, no median). so 4 cars in front of me stop, and i must have been about 30 or so yards back, and i knew i wasnt going to be able to stop, quick checked my right hand side and there is a car there, so cant swerve right, cant go left, bc of on comming traffic and whatnot.. so with space rapidly closing btw me and the 4 cars which are stopped in front of me, i just get on the brakes hard(no i didnt just push as hard as i could, just firmly applied them), heard some wierd vibration from the front end of our car... but whata-ya know, but we stopped alot faster than i expected. so, i was wondering if it was something to do with the antilock system or not(the sound/vibration). also, how well do the brakes on late model third gens balance? meaning, do one or two tend to lock up quicker, or do they all have equal power? --and btw, i didnt manage to hit that fool in front of me either

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• 83 Z28--ttops, 200k miles--very ragged out. sold, thank goodness
• 74 Z28--slightly modded 383, TH400 tranny, not too quick but fun to drive

91FireChicken

I could be wrong, but doesn't ABS only really stop faster in bad weather? it'd make sense that on a dry road, a locked up tire would stop faster because of the friction, but on a wet road, you'll just slide forever.. only other advantage I can think of with ABS is that you don't lose control as bad.. of course, you could just pay attention and then you wouldn't need to worry about it either way. (that wasn't directed at anyone here.. more towards the a$$es that live around here)

[This message has been edited by 91FireChicken (edited April 02, 2001).]

86Chicken

A skidding tire WILL NOT stop faster than a rolling tire. Dry or not.

When the tire is skidding, kinetic friction is the only thing stopping you. The rubber is moving in relation to the road hence "kinetic."

In a controlled brake, static friction is in play. The rubber is not moving in relation to the pavement.

The coefficient of static friction between rubber and pavement is much higher than kinetic.

Dale

Rob P

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Yes, I understand the principle behind ABS. However, on wet roads, doing like 25 or 30, make a sharp left hand turn (Like from a left hand turn lane). Then act like someone merging from the right cuts you of off and stomp the brakes. Guess what? You keep going in a straight line and don't turn any more cause the front wheels have locked up! Oh, and this is really close so pumping the brakes is pretty useless.
Yes a real life situation. 3rd gen brakes suck, and suck even worse in the rain. Is this why every manufacturer in the auto industry offers ABS? Cause they are over-rated? Me thinks not.

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Edelbrock Hi-Flow Intake
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71Impala convt 402BB
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mtx28

how expensive is an abs system? if its as much as i think it is, than it would be (theoretically) baer for me.. i've heard that abs systems can be VERY expensive to fix if they arent worked on properly, or by the right mechanic. also, does anyone know with baer kits if they balance power to each wheel very well? i havent looked into the specifics of the kits yet, only how much more powerful they are over even new vette brakes

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• 83 Z28--ttops, 200k miles--very ragged out. sold, thank goodness
• 74 Z28--slightly modded 383, TH400 tranny, not too quick but fun to drive