BitchinRS

What is the difference between a short and long block? I can lay my hands on a 3.1L ---> 3.4L short or long and was woundering if one has an advantage over the other?

WaynesRS

A short block has the crank , rods , cam , pistons , block .

A long block includes the oil pan , starter , intake fuel inectors .
the long block does not include the accesories , ex : ac , power steering , altenator

Wayne

87RS402

No. A shortblock is the rotating assembly, block (of course), timing set, and usually the oil pump. In short (no pun intended) it's the complete bottom end of the engine.

A long block includes the heads and valvetrain.

A starter does not come with the longblock and in most cases the oil pan and valvecovers are also not included.

A crate engine usually includes everything less carb and starter.

KED85

Excellent, Wayne.
BUT SOMETIMES ASK, they may include what ya ask for at a good price, too!
IT is less work for them to leave it on than remove.

WaynesRS

Pardon me I thought the crank did rotate ? Last time I drove my car mine did .

I have never seen a LONG BLOCK in my life without the valve covers . Not saying they don't exist .Im sure they do , Im just saying you can get them with the valvecovers . I have never seen one without the oilpan either .
Wayne

87RS402

WTF? You don't need to get smart with me, I've been working on cars since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye. Why become a smartass when you should be proving your arguement?

If you go back and read my reply you'll see I stated a shortblock comes with the rotating assembly and that it is basicly a complete bottom end. Last time I looked the crank was in the bottom end, at least mine is. I have never seen a longblock come with a starter and the only ones I know of that come with new tin are GM remans or crates. Now show me a "longblock" that comes with the injectors and everything else you stated.

WaynesRS

I'll get smart with you if I want to , ya ***** ! You are right about the fuel injectors they MOST don't come with them , BUT i have seen some . I'll snap some pics of Dad's car with the NEW intake and injectors . Oh , I can also get one of Mom's with the NEW intake .Why are you bringing up where the crank is ? I know its in the bottem in ..hey and it ROTATES As far as starters , your right about them .

WaynesRS

I was just thumbing through my ''gm peformance parts catalogue" ..Your totally wrong about "Most long blocks dont come with an oilpan . MOST COME WITH AN OILPAN !

1991tealRSt-topGuy

nice job at making enemies wayne

87RS402

We'll do this newest to oldest:

You don't read do you?

Because you did. and your to stupid to understand that it's part of the rotating assembly or a complete bottom end.

You do that, I'll go get pictures of my blazer. Or is that the best you can do? Get real, mommy's and daddy's cars?

Note to Billy: You can edit this part since I'm sure he saw it before you.
Just for the added flame value: Wayne, I am now convinced. The best part of you ran down you mothers leg.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

boys, boys,

now wayne, calm down

if Mr.87RS402 wants to act like the inbred hick that he is, then just let him

wayne, its not your problem that his hometown's gene pool was too small


you were both right and both WRONG in some respects

WaynesRS

Yeah , whats wrong with my mom and dad's cars ??? Your's must not have any car's ...They ride to work on there huffys I guess ?

WaynesRS

YOU DONT TALK ABOUT MY MOM YOU UNDERSTAND ? ..IF YOU WERE HERE ID BE IN JAIL ......CUS ID HAVE KILLED YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS , YOU NO GOOD EXCUSE FOR A piece of trailer trash !

WaynesRS

By the way , i know the crank is the part of the rotating assembly , why do you keep bring it up ???? ....you can flame more , type more ..i dont care .I usually argue and flame with people I HAVE TO GET THE LAST WORD IN ...but you know what , this time It's not worth wastin it on a poor excuse from the trailer park like you .

WaynesRS

Takin another bow .

CC_HotRod

This is getting locked for obvious reasons!!!