I love the 1988 Z20 SAP kit for these cars, honestly I don't know why they didn't make them in 82 and keep them till maybe 86 or 87 and transition to without or whatever, but point is... I love them.

Does anyone make them, have a set, fab'ed some up from 2nd Gen ones... anything??

If someone made a set or fab'ed some up I'd love to see them and make a set for my 90 'Bird (even though it's a T/A and has that ground effects package on it)... But I still want 'em. lol

I'd love it if classic industries or Hawk's made repos, and the spoiler as well, I'd love to have a duck tail style wing on the back of my T/A...

 

Guess not

 

What is it??? Do you have a pic???

 

It might take more than just 6 hours to get an answer even if somebody knows what you are referring to.

 

This, the wheel spats and duck tail wing

 

 

I learn something new everyday but im just not a fan of them. The spoiler / duck wing is good tho

 

Something like that requires a big fat wheel/tire combo to look good. It looks silly in those skinny 15/16" wheels

 

I was planning on getting these or making some, getting a set of year one 17' Honeycombs or keeping the 15/16 wheel size and lower it. My car is one of those "it's been neglected" types, needs some TLC... bad. but while in the process of cleaning it up, I'd like to add things that set it apart and make it pop out. I figure a 2nd Gen tribute would be pretty cool

 

A lot of people aren't, but I'm one of the weird ones who do, lol I found someone with the spoiler... but he wants like $500 for it and paint is missing and looks like it's starting to split like mine has

 

exactly, and that means 18s or 19s

 

Yep 18x10 front 18x12 rear with a minitub

 

I have a set of the wheel flares. Nobody is making them, and nobody wants to. I already went down that road here years ago. Was trying to get Hawks to make them, but it fell through. Good luck finding them, it's next to impossible. I got lucky and found someone on here selling them. Not perfect but in good shape considering the rarity.

 

Classic Industries has Z20 reproduction splats and spoiler on their website:

http://www.classicindustries.com/search?q=z20

Anyone bought these aftermarket ones? I tried adding the spoiler to the cart for kicks but it says temporary out of stock.
Any one have any information on these?

 

These are worth bringing ttt. I don't think they've ever been "in demand," but there's always someone searching for them. Cool to see Classic intending to reproduce them.

I tried putting a set of wheel spats in a "shopping cart," but they too showed up as out of stock. So Classic is probably just gauging interest to see if these will be worth reproducing.

When I had a second Firebird, an '89 base model convertible, I wanted to put front and rear wheel spats on it, but none to be found anywhere. Would've looked great with Classic's reproduction 2ndgen 17" or 18" Snowflake wheels. Sold that car a few years ago, not going to do it to my Formula. But I still like 'em!

 

Hello all,

Actually these are more than just a test to gauge interest. We should have inventory in stock and ready to ship within a week or so.

We developed these based on enthusiast interest from thirdgen.org forum members. The molds are done, we have reviewed prototypes, made various changes/improvements during the QC and testing phase and are going into production with a finished product as we speak.

The side spoilers or splats are an exact replica of the originals manufactured in urethane to OE specifications. The rear wing is a modern interpretation of the original Z20 wing and is manufactured in fiberglass. It should be considered an aftermarket wing with Z20 styling, but not necessarily an exact duplication of the original. We believe they are very nice quality replicas and hope the enthusiasts will enjoy seeing new products come to market based on the interest expressed on thirdgen.org.

Any further questions, please feel free to contact me here at thirdgen.org.

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director
Classic Industries

 

Seriously Classic? You went to the trouble to make that spoiler & those spats, yet no hoods?

I mean come on.....Firebirds have like 3 different fiberglass hoods available for them compared to the dozen + versions available for the 3rd gen Camaros? Why not make some custom hoods too. I've seen several that people wanted & were willing to pay for it, but no aftermarket manufacturer would step up & build them. The you make those things? Where did you find the interest in people actually wanting them?

This is a legitimate question, not just a gripe.

 

I've had rear molds made for years and years. I also have front flares and the spoiler is also stored. Just got busy with life to get back to the project so far. I think my original thread is somewhere on the Fab board.

Exetremly hard OEM set to find and track down... I mean YEARS of watching eBay and classifieds.

 

Really, is it? They go to the trouble to make something for our cars that lots of people have asked for and your first thought is, well why didn't you do MORE?!? CI is a business, if you really want the hood made why don't you show them the demand out there instead of complaining that they made something else. If this community would quit bitching and start spending money on these cars you would see a lot of new products popping up. I don't have anything to use the Z20 on, but I for one am just glad to see new products being made for thirdgens.

 

Looking around on TGO you will find thread after thread after thread about wanting different hood options for fiberglass hoods. Where is all the threads about people wanting the spats of that rear spoiler? I see talk about that 2nd gen style stuff pop OCCASIONALLY, but not nearly to the extent of wanting a different design hood. There is what? Cowl induction, twin turbo (which is rarely liked), the double bulge formula hood and the IROC hood. That is about is. Yes. The 3rd gen crowd is a bunch of cheap bastards. Only a few will actually spend $ on their car. Cheap cars for cheap people. Also part of the reason our cars are referred to as Turd Gens. More turds than quality (modified not stock) 3rd gens on the road. Yes that has been changing in the past few years but has a ways to go before getting respect from the general car world. There are more nice Camaros than Firebirds due to 2 reasons...More out there making them easier & cheaper to buy plus more styling options like the hoods.

My words may not be nice ones but they are the truth. I'm just one of the few that is willing to publicly admit it. And yes.....I have a 3rd gen so I'm not just talking down on TGO. I've been into them since before TGO even existed.

 

I get it.. you want a new hood option for the fbird.. how are you helping that by harassing a supplier that just released a new product for these cars? Think before you bitch, you will get more done..

 

I didn't harass (1 single post is NOT harassing), I didn't bitch at them. I asked. YOU took it as bitching. Since YOU are not the supplier, I'm not real concerned with how YOU perceived it.

Besides...It wasn't directed at you, so why do YOU care? Besides....I have contacted several manufacturers in the past regarding designs including prototypes. Classic is one of the many suppliers wouldn't wouldn't even reply nor discuss anything not designed/initiated by them. It was as if it wasn't their thought, they didn't want anything to do with it. I could only guess that they were concerned about paying royalties because it was somebody else's design & not their own in-house design.

So yeah....I HAVE tried in the past. Don't think I haven't. Don't assume anything. You know what they say about assuming....

But this was supposed to be directed towards a Supplier, not turned into a discussion with a TGO member that felt it was their place to step in & "defend" the Supplier, so I'm out.....Unsubscribing so I'm not gonna even see what kind of arguement to come back with to drag it out even further than it should have been already.

 

No offense taken at all. Hoods, while a little more difficult and time consuming of a project are not necessarily out of the question. In fact, we are working on a new fiberglass hood for third gen Camaro. It is a replica of the 82-84 Z28 hood that is no longer available. We started on these the same time we started on the spats and spoiler. But the hoods are more complicated, so the spats and spoiler are further along in development.

But, this hood is getting close to becoming available and that should be good news for third gen Camaro owners who have limited options now that these have gone obsolete and have become difficult to find in the secondhand market.

The spats and rear spoiler were done because someone brought it to our attention and we were able to locate an original set to mold from. If there are particular styles of hoods that you guys want, (or any other parts for that matter) please feel free to contact us here and we will see what we can do to submit these recommendations for possible manufacture.

Thanks for your comments.

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director
Classic Industries

 

Ha.... No firebird hood... Camaro - does that answer your question BlackendBird? I thought there were more firebird hoods out there!

Anyway, I thank Classic for doing something for the thirdgens like this. I have a complete set of these flares for a 2nd gen but never saw them on the thirdgen. I think there will be buyers and agree about being easier to make, which equals more profit $$$.
Cool item for sure, too bad these are only for Firebirds.

 

It's OK, really. It was a valid question and we took no offense.

We knew going into it that the spats and spoiler were kind of an odd, rare item, but that was what was somewhat intriguing about the project. The other consideration was that it would require a relatively small investment in tooling and low development costs. And, since we were already involved with a manufacturer that produces the side spoilers for Z28 (that are a very similar product) and they had the ability to produce these in very small quantities in the United States, we decided to go ahead and do them.

Stamped steel hoods, on the other hand, are much more cost prohibitive to make and require a substantial investment in tooling. They have to be stamped on huge presses and could require minimum manufacturing runs of hundreds or perhaps thousands of pieces at a time. That makes the manufacture of a hood a bit more difficult.

However, if a fiberglass hood would suffice, it is totally feasible to do something in fiberglass due to much lower tooling and production costs and lower minimum required runs, provided that sufficient demand is there.

Ray Yager
Merchandising Director

 

A fiberglass reproduction of the stock early T/A and formula "power bulge" hood would be awesome. Especially if you revised the bracing to give a little better hood clearance.

-Jim

 

Also thank you for making the investment in making these hard to find parts for us, Not many vendors take the time for this generation right now. Also does someone there own the Suntour Trans Am? I believe I saw the car at Hershey last summer and the placard said it was owned by someone at classic industries.

 

You're welcome. Thanks for the comment. I believe the Suntour Trans Am is owned by someone at NPD.

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director

 

This.
Also, it's fine to question a vendor, but we also don't need to offend them.

As for what I want to see, there's tons of demand for the "Japanese heat extractor" hood. People have been screaming for that thing for about 10 years now. I bet you could sell every one of them, even at $800 or $900.

 

I would love 2 have dat hood...

 

An update for those of you who have expressed an interest in the Z20 style spats and spoiler. We now have these in stock and ready for immediate shipment. Enjoy and order up! Hope you guys like them!

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director

 

Ray, is Classicindustries website down?

Edit: I see its backup!

 

Hi bj350hp.

Yes. Website was down for maintenance on Sunday, June 23rd, 2013. But is back up now as you mentioned. Thanks.

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director

 

I wanna see that spoiler on a camaro for just ***** and giggles, Id install it on mine just to see,

 

I was thinking the same thing!

 

I wanna see that hood go in to production as well

 

I want an aluminum version of the z28 (not iroc) steel hood, well Classic....back to regular scheduled programming.

 

bumping this for a camaro also...i've been thinking about getting a new deck plate and trying out some different spoiler options. keep my 91-92 z28 hi-rise in the attic and sport something different.

 

Classic, if you're going to do the Bird SAP, you might as well do the 88-only Camaro shorty Bird-style spoiler, similar to the Bird spoiler but slightly narrower (for the Camaro tail) and with the brake light in it.

And also GTA/Deluxe Firebird door panels, handles, and hardware. You have every single other door panel... Except the ones that are desirable and not literally a dime a dozen...

 

Hi Maverick,

We might consider it if you guys feel there is a demand for it. Do you have any pictures of it so we can see what it looks like?

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/sout...88-camaro.html

I don't personally have the spoiler, but I'm sure someone would like a repop... And it's kind of hard to see in the pic but there is a narrow strip in the middle for the 3rd brake light, which seems like it's just barely big enough for 194 bulbs but would probably look better with LEDs...

Also here, better pic of the brake light: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/body...er-84-z28.html

And the GTA door panels I have emailed Classic about several years ago. I got the usual "there doesn't seem to be enough of an interest in these to warrant repros"... Except that they go like hotcakes on here for a premium price. Personally, I'd like a decent set in either Carmine Red or Black... My Medium Gray ones are decent enough (well, the driver's side needs to be redone as well as the armrest handle but the pass side is decent), but I'd like to replace them (medium gray doesn't fit a Black interior)... Also, there are supposed to be little triangle-shaped pieces on the front ends of the door pull handles that are commonly broken and/or missing and those would probably be another candidate for repops along with the 85-92 Deluxe/91-92 interior latch handle/lock trim surrounds, remote mirror control trim and mount, and the little trim plate that covers the rear screw hole on these trim pieces with the Bird in it.

 

Hi Maverick,

Hope you had a great Holiday and Happy New Year. Thank you for the leads regarding these parts that may be in demand or good candidates for manufacture. We will discuss the interior items with our upholstery suppliers and see what we can do about sourcing or developing the other items. We have a lot of new products coming out this year. Please keep in contact with any other ideas you may have and let us know if we can be of any further assistance.

Ray Yager - Merchandising Director

 

WOW, I never thought anyone would produce the Z20 parts...

It is cool tho...

 

A good door panel solution (not the flat cardboard junk) like the GTA delux pannels would be awesome. As well as the plastic peice that holds up the back of the headliner.

Classic, thank you for investing in our cars we appreciate it

 

One thing I am not sure if everyone is aware of that the GTA (Deluxe interior) door panels do not use the same brackets as the standard door panels for the arm rests. The brackets are larger if memory serves. So in order to do these they would have to offer the replacement brackets as well... They are nothing complicated, just sheet metal folded in a bar-fold but nonetheless they are different.

It would be a great thing to offer however, they would have to find the pallex material, which may actually be the hardest thing to find.

 

can you elaborate on this? I have never heard of "pallex"

 

Pallex was a material they used on the seats & Door panels:

1987
Base - Ripple Cloth
Custom - Pallex Cloth
Deluxe - Leather or Pallex Cloth

1988, 1989
Base - Pallex CLoth
Custom - Metrix Cloth
Deluxe Metrix Cloth or Leather

1990 - 1992
All levels - Pallex Cloth, Leather was only on the Ultima seats.

I cannot tell the difference between the Metrix and the Pallex, I am not sure what the differences are, someone may be able to tell me, I thought they looked the same, but I may be wrong on that.... The Ripple was quite different, the material was cheep, and rotted...

After looking this up I notice that there is more confusion as they only used those door panels for 3 years 87-89, in that time they had two different style cloths (again not sure what the difference is, they look about the same, but I have never compared them)

 

That 88 camaro wing is a great idea. Would work on fire birds and camaros.
Would be awesome if a company would sell a 3rd gen trans am wing and offer shipping to Canada... Pointless to do my body if I can't find a wing.

 

I can see where they may want to offer up the door panel/handle brackets, but I don't think it's a requirement. Most of the Deluxe panels I've seen are tattered and useless, but the brackets underneath are still good. Like in my case, my brackets and door latch handle surrounds are good, but the driver's door panel and handle are shot and the holes for the passenger's side window molding are torn. And if they could find a way to retain the metal brackets that hold the panels to the door along the perimeter a little better, that would be GREAT .

I mean, yes, if someone wants to convert over to the Deluxe panels, then they would need the brackets. But I would tend to think that most would just like to get replacement panels since theirs are, at a minimum, 25 years old, and weathering isn't exactly kind to them.

I don't think they would offer the brackets anyways since I don't think they currently have the ones for the rest of the panels available (I don't recall seeing any in the catalogs I've downloaded over the years but I haven't gotten one in a while so I'm not sure).

:edit: OH, and the proper door latch handles would be GREAT. The Deluxe/90-92 trim panels have a screw that is supposed to go into part of the handle mount behind the actual panel (what the Bird embossed piece covers up). None of the aftermarket handles I've seen has this. I don't currently have but one screw in each of the trim panels for this reason, because there isn't anything to screw the screw into. And no, sorry, I don't have my old handles for comparison (had to replace them 6 years ago because they broke).

 

From what I can tell, the 87-89 Firebird Deluxe molded panels used the same handle/lock cover as the 90-92 Firebird door panels...