View Poll Results: September COTM
motobooks
22
13.84%
ev305tpi
9
5.66%
Scottmoyer
18
11.32%
Chazman
29
18.24%
Drjewalton
15
9.43%
1985blacktransam
3
1.89%
PUMA1552
3
1.89%
Russelcronk
11
6.92%
Joel
19
11.95%
Tkerniroc
30
18.87%
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September COTM **Voting**
08-28-2013, 04:12 PM
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Maybe for some, but not for all. It's all good though. I look at these competitions similarly to "good" car shows. I do not like winning a trophy at a show because the sponsors created so many classes that everybody wins their class. I like the shows that are people's choice or have fewer classifications. That allows for more competition. If I win a show with 15 others in my class, that's more satisfying than winning a class of 2 cars. What I see here with this voting is "People's Choice". And the people are speaking!
There are some very nice cars here and I'd love to go head to head at a national show with these cars any day.
There are some very nice cars here and I'd love to go head to head at a national show with these cars any day.
08-28-2013, 04:41 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
Maybe for some, but not for all. It's all good though. I look at these competitions similarly to "good" car shows. I do not like winning a trophy at a show because the sponsors created so many classes that everybody wins their class. I like the shows that are people's choice or have fewer classifications. That allows for more competition. If I win a show with 15 others in my class, that's more satisfying than winning a class of 2 cars. What I see here with this voting is "People's Choice". And the people are speaking!
There are some very nice cars here and I'd love to go head to head at a national show with these cars any day.
There are some very nice cars here and I'd love to go head to head at a national show with these cars any day.
I've been to so many shows which are "people's choice" and you can literally hear folks making their deals in the open. "I'll vote for you, if you vote for me." Or, "Bob says he'd buy me a drink if he wins, so I'll vote for him". That sort of thing. I see it all of the time.
With that said, this month's COTM, contains some of the nicest 3rd gens in the country. Certainly as good as any.
Like I said earlier, if there were ever to be a 3rd gen in a Concour D'Elegance - and one day there certainly will be - I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be one of the 10 cars here.
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08-28-2013, 04:58 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
To be honest, I'd rather be judged by knowledgeable, impartial judges, who really know their stuff, rather than people's choice.
I've been to so many shows which are "people's choice" and you can literally hear folks making their deals in the open. "I'll vote for you, if you vote for me." Or, "Bob says he'd buy me a drink if he wins, so I'll vote for him". That sort of thing. I see it all of the time.
With that said, this month's COTM, contains some of the nicest 3rd gens in the country. Certainly as good as any.
Like I said earlier, if there were ever to be a 3rd gen in a Concour D'Elegance - and one day there certainly will be - I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be one of the 10 cars here.
I've been to so many shows which are "people's choice" and you can literally hear folks making their deals in the open. "I'll vote for you, if you vote for me." Or, "Bob says he'd buy me a drink if he wins, so I'll vote for him". That sort of thing. I see it all of the time.
With that said, this month's COTM, contains some of the nicest 3rd gens in the country. Certainly as good as any.
Like I said earlier, if there were ever to be a 3rd gen in a Concour D'Elegance - and one day there certainly will be - I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be one of the 10 cars here.
08-28-2013, 05:20 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
The vette crew has NCCC judging, it's as good as any judged show I have been to, would be cool to get that level of judging at a Camaro / firebird show. I go to Carlisle for the vette show most every year, though I have been to the GM nationals once and was disappointed in the turnout. However, it might be a great place for us all to take our cars and promote it a bit to get the attendance up. The vette show last weekend was fully packed both Friday and Sat.
08-28-2013, 06:28 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
I agree The vette crew has NCCC judging, it's as good as any judged show I have been to, would be cool to get that level of judging at a Camaro / firebird show.
I go to Carlisle for the vette show most every year, though I have been to the GM nationals once and was disappointed in the turnout. However, it might be a great place for us all to take our cars and promote it a bit to get the attendance up. The vette show last weekend was fully packed both Friday and Sat.
The vette crew has NCCC judging, it's as good as any judged show I have been to, would be cool to get that level of judging at a Camaro / firebird show. I go to Carlisle for the vette show most every year, though I have been to the GM nationals once and was disappointed in the turnout. However, it might be a great place for us all to take our cars and promote it a bit to get the attendance up. The vette show last weekend was fully packed both Friday and Sat.
08-28-2013, 08:37 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
I agree The vette crew has NCCC judging, it's as good as any judged show I have been to, would be cool to get that level of judging at a Camaro / firebird show.
I go to Carlisle for the vette show most every year, though I have been to the GM nationals once and was disappointed in the turnout. However, it might be a great place for us all to take our cars and promote it a bit to get the attendance up. The vette show last weekend was fully packed both Friday and Sat.
The vette crew has NCCC judging, it's as good as any judged show I have been to, would be cool to get that level of judging at a Camaro / firebird show. I go to Carlisle for the vette show most every year, though I have been to the GM nationals once and was disappointed in the turnout. However, it might be a great place for us all to take our cars and promote it a bit to get the attendance up. The vette show last weekend was fully packed both Friday and Sat.
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08-30-2013, 05:03 PM
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voted on the beautiful TTA
08-30-2013, 05:20 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
drjewalton - You've got my vote!! Of course, I'm a bit biased I'll admit!!
Beautiful car, especially considering how much older it is than some of the other nominees....which are also awesome BTW.
Do me a favor though...ditch the "305 190 HP" decal on the air cleaner...it just doesn't belong on the car at all...
If mine were in that good of shape when I got it, it would remain factory original like yours! Again, nice ride buddy!
Beautiful car, especially considering how much older it is than some of the other nominees....which are also awesome BTW.
Do me a favor though...ditch the "305 190 HP" decal on the air cleaner...it just doesn't belong on the car at all...
If mine were in that good of shape when I got it, it would remain factory original like yours! Again, nice ride buddy!
09-02-2013, 02:56 PM
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I do have one question about the integrity of the voting here. How is it possible that we have a 1986 and a 1987 blue IROC-Z, one with 5k miles and looks absolutely mint and the other has 50k miles, non original battery, cracked outer window felts, steering wheel cover, no hood insulation, discolored interior fabrics, etc and the higher mileage car gets 3x the votes of the 5x mile car? I thought this months voting was supposed to be to represent the best STOCK restored or original survivor cars. I just thought that there were other cars in this category that deserve the top prize for being the best. Who did the voting here? Clearly chazman, ev305tpi, or djewalton represent the STOCK original or restored much better.
No offense to tkerniroc. He has a nice car, but again, if the vote is for a blue IROC-Z, why would his beat out the 5k mile original?
No offense to tkerniroc. He has a nice car, but again, if the vote is for a blue IROC-Z, why would his beat out the 5k mile original?
09-02-2013, 03:17 PM
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I do have one question about the integrity of the voting here. How is it possible that we have a 1986 and a 1987 blue IROC-Z, one with 5k miles and looks absolutely mint and the other has 50k miles, non original battery, cracked outer window felts, steering wheel cover, no hood insulation, discolored interior fabrics, etc and the higher mileage car gets 3x the votes of the 5x mile car? I thought this months voting was supposed to be to represent the best STOCK restored or original survivor cars. I just thought that there were other cars in this category that deserve the top prize for being the best. Who did the voting here? Clearly chazman, ev305tpi, or djewalton represent the STOCK original or restored much better.
No offense to tkerniroc. He has a nice car, but again, if the vote is for a blue IROC-Z, why would his beat out the 5k mile original?
No offense to tkerniroc. He has a nice car, but again, if the vote is for a blue IROC-Z, why would his beat out the 5k mile original?
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09-02-2013, 05:40 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
Wow...thanks...I was shocked I won too, but it's clearly people's opinion on who they vote for. I know my car isn't "perfect" but it's a barn find, and clearly not in "perfect" shape. It's come a long way from what it was and I restored it to my liking as much as I can a little at a time. I have 3 kids that take up most of my time and extra money, and yeah thanks for pointing out the little things that make my car look a little less perfect than yours. The interior of the car is mostly original, and I don't want to change it for that reason. The only thing that isn't original in there is the headliner. I don't mind my faded plastics, or cracked window felts at this point. It's things that I can fix later on. My car is a restored car with a little more progress to go. It's not a 5k trailer queen, but it's people's opinion on who they vote for. I'm not trying to come off as an ahole, but we all know how many of the third gens have been beaten to death, and this one, I saved. Maybe not to your liking, but apparently other people do like it.
09-02-2013, 06:05 PM
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Again, I'm not trying to dog your car. It was just a question regarding stock/restored original with two very similar cars. Please don't think my thoughts are because I didn't win. I am no where close to winning this, so if you were even remotely considered to be disqualified for any reason, it wouldn't benefit me at all. The fact that my car falls number 5 of 10 means that I have an average car. That's fine. It was just a question of what people used as a criteria when voting that gave you so many votes in comparison to some of the other cars that are near mint for this months guidelines.
Congratulations for winning. You do have a nice car. I don't know the previous condition so I don't know how far it may have come for what is seen now. That was why the question came up. Take this question and think of it as an innocent request, not an angry question of why. I am just wondering what people used to vote for your car in comparison to the others.
Trying to keep a car in nice condition is hard. I've had my car almost 14 years and have had to repair/replace many items. Trying to keep it looking all original is not an easy task, so buying a low miler isn't always the best way to go either. Many of the same parts need to be replaced on a low mile car as the high mile cars. I've probably replaced parts on my car that people with 3x the miles still haven't had to replace.
I reread my earlier post and it can easily be read that I was complaining. That was not the intent. It was all light-hearted. No malice or ill content. I apologize if it came out that way.
Congratulations for winning. You do have a nice car. I don't know the previous condition so I don't know how far it may have come for what is seen now. That was why the question came up. Take this question and think of it as an innocent request, not an angry question of why. I am just wondering what people used to vote for your car in comparison to the others.
Trying to keep a car in nice condition is hard. I've had my car almost 14 years and have had to repair/replace many items. Trying to keep it looking all original is not an easy task, so buying a low miler isn't always the best way to go either. Many of the same parts need to be replaced on a low mile car as the high mile cars. I've probably replaced parts on my car that people with 3x the miles still haven't had to replace.
I reread my earlier post and it can easily be read that I was complaining. That was not the intent. It was all light-hearted. No malice or ill content. I apologize if it came out that way.
09-02-2013, 06:21 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
Well......don't underestimate the work and effort involved with keeping a car mint and factory fresh for a quarter of a century.
Just sayin'
09-02-2013, 06:42 PM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
"Do me a favor though...ditch the "305 190 HP" decal on the air cleaner...it just doesn't belong on the car at all..."
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Already done...I agree with your statement. Thanks for the compliments!
Congrats to the winner! I'm very appreciative to be nominated for the COTM. It's always great to see and compete with very nice camaros and firebirds.
Would be even better to have a central place we could all road trip to to compare and admire each others cars in person!
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Already done...I agree with your statement. Thanks for the compliments!
Congrats to the winner! I'm very appreciative to be nominated for the COTM. It's always great to see and compete with very nice camaros and firebirds.
Would be even better to have a central place we could all road trip to to compare and admire each others cars in person!
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09-03-2013, 05:41 AM
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Re: September COTM **Voting**
I understand, and yeah it sound a little different in my head. Chazman and I were neck in neck the whole time during voting. His car is absolutely amazing! I know my car isn't nearly as perfect has his DX3 stripe delete, but I know I have poured a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into my car. The first half of this year I couldn't even drive it because I had to disassemble the engine all the way down to the intake to fix a coolant leak, finally got that fixed, and I had a vacuum leak, got that fixed and then the alternator took a crap along with the battery. This car is a blast to drive and I enjoy all the compliments I get from the people who appreciate how much work it takes to either keep a car pristine or restore or a car to its former glory. Thankfully I had a low miles car to work with. Thanks to those who nominated me, and those of you that voted for me. It is greatly appreciated, and I'm glad you like what I'm doing with the car.
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