If anyone has a question about swaping in 4th gen interior into 3rd gen's let me know. My custom body shop :cheap plug "EVE Customs" swaps in 4th gen interiors into 3rd gen's. Every thing from Dashes, doors, center consoles auto or manual, seats, rear view mirrors, and sun visors. I am currently developing A piller swaps for T-tops and hard tops. Anyway if you have a question I just thought it would be nice if i could help on anything I currently know.

 

Well i for one am interested in seeing this a pillar swap. Im getting tired of seeing the gap on either side of my dash where they should be. Post pics when you have them done.

 

what about door panels?

 

man, i need to get a 4th gen dash in my car.. but, i'm afriad of the wiring nightmare

 

Yeah can you tell me how thick the 4thgen LS1 trans am's door panels are at the top where they meet the dash? Really I want to know is, are the pass and driver side door panels the SAME thickness in the area at the top where each side meets up with the dash?

I need to know cause I have a 2000 Trans Am dash to put into my '87 Iroc but I don't have the door panels yet and probably can't get them for a long while. I hope to have the dash in soon and just need to know about the door panels thickness on each side so I can get the dash lined up correctly side to side without needing the 4thgen door panels at the time I install the dash. Basically I don't want to have to remount the dash later to line up with the door panels when I install them at a later time. Thanks

And if you do develope a pillars for a ttop I will definitly be interested in a set. Will they be textured like factory?

 

irocz eric, what did you want to know about the doors?

 

Will do shouldn't be to long before i start producing them. About a month or so. I will keep you up to date on them.

 

has anyone actually put 4th gen door panels in a 3rd gen with the 3rdgen dash, without it looking like complete crap?

 

You can't fit fourth gen door panels into a thirdgen using a thirdgen dash pad. You either have to do the entire fourth gen dash swap to accomodate the thicker door panels, or you have to do a custom dash pad. There's no two ways about it. I've been in the middle of this for a while now and I'm going with a fiberglass dash pad that's been modded to fit with the fourth gen door panels.

Steve

 

so its entirely possible but the dash pad has to be modified or replaced with a fabricated one?

 

Yes, it's possible, but you're going to have about an inch and a quarter's worth of metal showing below the door panel. I'm going to cover that up with matching leather. The 'wings' that hang off of either side of the dash pad stick out too far for the fourth gen panels. Cut off about an inch/inch and a half and you're in business.

Steve

 

I have a question about a 4th gen seat swap. I am thinking about purchasing a set of power seats with the power lumbar/bolster off of ebay and I was wondering how to make the lumbar/bolster work as I am under the impression that it is air. The picture I saw of them has 2 air hoses and I dont know what they hook up to. This may sound like a stupid question but I am in the dark on this.

 

HVAC

ALL THE GAUGES functioning properly

Routing the heater and a/c

 

One of the seats has an air pump underneath for the bolsters/lumbar (offhand I forget which has the pump). You run the tubes from one seat over to the pump at the other seat so you have air at both.

S.

 

thanx a lot, now i have just one more thing to ask. I asked him to show me a pic of the underside of the seats and the wiring on both has the same 6 wires white,black,orange,grey,brown,purple, My car originally didn't have power seats so could someone please tell me how to run these wires? do any of them run into each other? I appreciate all the help guys, i just really want these into my car and powered up

 

does anyone know the answer to my question above? Basically I want to know is are the 4thgen Trans Am door panels the same thickness, pass and driver side, up in the area where they meet the 4thgen dash?


I need to know because If I put in my 2000 Trans am dash in now, and center it perfectly in the car, I want to be able to later add 4thgen Trans am dooor panels to my car and have them line up with the dash perfectly. Thnaks

 

ok, ill bite. How much to do a full conversion. Let's say I drive to your place drop off the car and I want a 98 Camaro dash with A pillars, and door panels. Full wiring, ALL hVAC working, etc...

 

Your website doesn't work for me. And you're in St. Louis, that's awesome, since I'm in St. Louis too. w00t! So you know if you need a extra local test vehicle for anything *cough**cough*me*cough*

 

is it possible in anyway to put 4th gen door panels into a 3rd gen, if so what exactly, if anything, needs to be modified?

 

It is possible but youre going to have to accept that the door panel will have to be cut in a few places and there will be a 1 1-2 to 2" gap between the the bottom of the panel and the sill plate when the door is shut. No way getting around it.

 

door panels will fit with modification, can fit in the stock dash but you'll be cutting up your good door panels, much nicer to cut up an old dash than to do that to door panels that are a little harder to come by.

Full swap, technically prices can vary up and down some, and every swap is essentially custom, even when you've done them before. The thought, you want to get in your thirdgen, and feel like you're in a brand new car, alright, so...doors, dash, center console, seats, carpet (if you're is worn) a-pillars, can leave the visors if you'd like, or mod 4th gen ones, rear view is very nice (has reading lamps in it) re-do headliner if it's sagging, we're talking hours of working, and thousands of dollars.....it's not an engine swap, but the parts alone could put you over a grand. A good center console will run you 100 bux, some more, dash is another $350 unless you can find a deal, door panels won't go anywhere less than $100 , sometimes a tad higher, every once in a while lower, butthose are few and far between. and then there's the seats, you'll be expecting to pay 350-900 bux on a set of leather 4th gen seats, depending on color, condition, power/non power , lumbar , etc. if you're car's like most thirdgens' the carpet is going to be somewhat worn, might be a good time to replace it, as everything's out of the car,, anotehr $200 dollars, and if the headliner is failing, might as well get it done, as it'll throw off the look of the car, $45 bux in material, plus labor if we redo-, or 165 buy a new one, and we'll throw it in with minimal labor charges....get the idea as to how much the price is going up, real quick, and that's still us not jacking things up.

 

I've done the dash switch and have everything wired. Went with aftermarket gauges. I do have a question on the head light and dimmer switch. I don't have the harness for these.
The dash came out of a 94 firebird. would anyone have something that shows what color comes out of what plug in the harness. If I had this info I can figure out the wiring.

 

Ok Before I completly go insane with this wiring, I need some questions answered. The dash and wiring is outta 93 firebird LT1.

1. I have wired up the 3 gray wires that come out of the third gen connector and spliced em into the 2 that come out of the 4th gen connector but none of the guage illumination lights light up
2. I cannot get the left or right blicker lights to work on the cluster. Matchin up the blue wires do not get me any where I see the blinker blinkin but the bulb isnt flashing
3. I spliced all the pink and black wires, from all the third gen connectors, together with the A1 pink wire but that doesnt seem to do anything.
4. My light switch is all screwed up, I have it now where I turn the switch but all that comes on are my headlights. some how my rear lights do not come on.

These are the major issues I have right now If someone could please shed some light on this that would be Awesome!

 

I'll snap a pic for ya in a lil bit...waiting for my digi-cam battery to charge

 

there is a possible way of getting around this problem, find the distance of material needed to be removed from the door panel, make a diagonal cut at the top of the door panel, and groove the back side of the door panel from top to bottom in a straight line (can be just forward of where you need the panel to stop) with a torch, heat the plastic slowly, and slowly bend the plastic towards the cut out (triangle) you've made at the top of the panel. This will alow you to move the door panels edge, which will lessen the gap. If done perfectly, you should be able to eliminate the gap all together, if not, the remaining gap could be filled with rubber trim, which will look better than the 1" hole. Either or, neither is bad w/ the door's closed, just someone annoying when opening and closing them.

 

I have a question about some gaps...all the pictures Ive seen of the swap, there is a gap on each side. I guess the best way to describe its location is by where the doors would close against the dash. Is there any way to preven that or even fix it?

Also, Im doing an LS1 swap, so I could pretty much use every bit of the wiring from the 4th gen dash couldnt I?

 

im in the middle of the wiring for the 4th gen dash... what i am looking for is where the red wire goes from the cluster... the one that says to the generator... there is no coresponding wire from the 3rd gen.. im useing a 95 T/A cluster.. 98 camaro plug...and it is going into a 91 z28... the one red wire for the generator is what i cant figure out and cant find anyone on here... the rest of the unused wires i assume are for the coolant level , oil level, traction, abs and the such... thanks in advance for any help

 

the gap between the doorpanels and the dash is fixed by swapping in 4th gen door panels, they will remove that gap as completley as it would be removed in a 4th gen car.


The red wire to teh generator , if i remember correct, is also an unused wire in thirdgen cars.

 

Eve customs... i think you just answered a million prayers

 

Im still waiting for the pics of the A-Pillars........

 

Im still waiting for their website to work

 

I have a question, supposadly the 4th gen seats just bolt right in. i just got a set of 4th gen seats and the driver side power seat doesn't line up at all, why is that? am i going to need someone to fabricate me a bracket? or is there a way to make em fit?

 

I'm betting you got a set of convertible seats. They use a different bolt pattern, and don't have the holes for the seat belt guides.

They're also worth more, since there aren't as many convertibles around.

 

YES no holes in the seat belt guides......
SH*T. i guess i gotta sell em, and get another set off ebay or somthing

 

gotta question on the hvac hookup... where does the dark green wire from the 3rd gen hook to... i know it is for the coolant relay.. but there is no hook up to the 4th gen controls.. anyone know where to hook it up? also on the vac lines.. anyone know what to do with the grey vac line that goes to the heater control valve? any ideas on how to make it work corectly? thanks

 

ok i just got leather seats form a 96 z28 for 200 bucks and they still have the car and they want 400 for the dash 75 for the console 65 for each door panel to me that dont sound to bad. but my two ? are the bags where inflated i have heard this breaks most of the mounting tabs/ also i was wanting to no would i be better off getting a complete parts car for all the small things i will run into thanks

 

Yes most of the time when the bag blows it will rip apart some part of the dash. If lucky just the panel will have poped off and can be glued on without notice. I wouldn't get a parts car just for the sake of dash install. For $400 the dash better include EVERYTHING needed to install it especially it being a '96.

 

Price for swap?

 

Convertible and coupe 4th gen seat tracks are the same , there is no difference . I own a 95 trans amconvertible with 2002 COUPE seats , no problems lining up . I sold my original 95 vert leather seats to a friend with a 85 Iroc coupe and he had NO problems lining up the tracks . 94-97 verts had no holes for the guides in the headrest , 98-2002 vert seats DID have them .

You most likely got seats from a car that wrecked bad enuff to bend the tracks . It may just not be visible enuff to the eye .

 

I was going by what the owner of the wrecking yard (who deals exclusively in Camaros, Corvettes, and GM trucks) told me. Guess he was wrong...

I didn't get seats from a convertible, I got ones from a coupe. (They cost less anyway, and were in good shape too.)

 

lol , man ...you'd be amazed at the lines of BS Ive been told by people who SHOULD know what there talking about .

 

Evecustom I am wondering what you do about the top dash piece. It seems to need cutting off about 3 inches to fit properly... is there a specific template you use, or method you use in order to get it to look good, or do you just hack at it until it looks about right?

Thanks in advanced!

 

The piece will need to be trimmed pretty significantly. You can use the contour of your old dash as an example, measure forward from the firewall the distance that the dash cover will need to come to intersect the new 4th gen dash, get that measurement at the middle, and the corners, make a template using your old dash pad you've removed, mark the new dash, and make ur cuts. However, make these cuts a tad less then what will actually need to come off, incase your measurements are wrong...so, measure twice, cut once, and boom you're there.

If it seems like it's fitting a tad tight, trim some from the rear whcih should solve your problems and let it drop down nice and smooth.

 

Thank you very much I wouldnt have thought of using my old dash pad as a template.... though it is so simple and obvious! Many thanks again

- Bobby

 

A-pillars DO NOT WORK AS EASY AS SAID!!! BEWARE. Ok so I started by swapping in the b pillar first ythis was easy I cut away from the bottom and trimmed the top, cut apart the 3rgen pillar and made a cap out of it were the pillar meet the t-tops. Now the driversw side needs an extreme makeover to work I actually destroyed a 4thgern pillar trying to make it work. Next time I have to actually trim along the side and even then its going to be a pita.

 

How do I wire up power seats from a 95 camaro into my 89 trans am?? my trans am didn't come with power seats originally.

 

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