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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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Engine stalls with any thottle

Ok. So i just picked up someone elses project. They had an air sensors fuel injection setup on a 383 stroker. I pulled that off and slapped on a used but rebuild holly 750dp. It still wouldnt run . I dropped in a new distributor from skip white and now I can get an Idle but it stalls with any gas. Do you guys thing I still have an ignition problem or its with the fuel. By the way I have all new wires and a carter 4600hp fuel pump.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:44 PM
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Re: Engine stalls with any thottle

whats the timing set at? whats your fuel pressure at the carb?
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:49 PM
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Re: Engine stalls with any thottle

Yeah, always start with ignition. A carb going bad to the point it won't run is pretty rare.

Disconnect and plug the vacuum advance line. Set the ignition timing around 12* (BTDC) as a baseline as soon as it will hold a curb idle (usually you have to get the engine warmed up a little before it will hold a stable idle with a carb). If it idles reasonably well, plug the vacuum advance back in. THEN go set the idle speed and idle mixture screws until you have an optimal idle. After that, try giving it a rev or two. If it seems OK, take it for a little drive around the neighborhood and see how it acts under load.
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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Re: Engine stalls with any thottle

Havent worked on the engine for a while but I found the first problem of many Im sure. The brand new distributer I bought is bad. I replaced it with a know good hei and I can at least time the engine. I obviously cant tune the carb until i get that fixed so Im waiting to get the distributer swapped for a new one. I will keep you updated
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 06:31 PM
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Re: Engine stalls with any thottle

Ok, so I have been busy with some other things but I have gotten a chance to work on the car a bit this past week. So my ignition timing is so far advanced its 2in from the timing marks. I have no idea what the actual number is. If I try to retard the timing back the engine dies. It runs like crap( really really bad where its timed but at least its running). I only have 2-5 in of vacuum when running. I pulled the timing cover to find a gear drive and the cam seems to be in sync with the crank. ( I dont know what bushing is in the cam gear). Im running out of Ideas right now. Im ready to pull the entire top end and replace it so I know Im working with good parts. Also, I know next to nothing about whats in this engine. Like what cam, actual displacment etc. Let me know what you guys think. Sry for being long winded. Thanks for reading
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Old Feb 28, 2012 | 08:14 PM
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Re: Engine stalls with any thottle

Originally Posted by Damon
Yeah, always start with ignition. A carb going bad to the point it won't run is pretty rare.

Disconnect and plug the vacuum advance line. Set the ignition timing around 12* (BTDC) as a baseline as soon as it will hold a curb idle (usually you have to get the engine warmed up a little before it will hold a stable idle with a carb). If it idles reasonably well, plug the vacuum advance back in. THEN go set the idle speed and idle mixture screws until you have an optimal idle. After that, try giving it a rev or two. If it seems OK, take it for a little drive around the neighborhood and see how it acts under load.
12 degrees might be a little much,especially if he has to use that awful "corn gas" of 87 octane. id go 8 degrees tops .he might go up to 10 degrees but only if he uses premium to keep spark knock down to a minimum
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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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12 degrees initial advance with a stock-type advance curve should be a piece of cake, even with regular unleaded pump gas unless CR is over 10:1.
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Old Mar 1, 2012 | 10:03 PM
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Re: Engine stalls with any thottle

If the timing mark on the balancer is WAY off the top end of the timing tab you likely have the classic mismatch of a 12:00 position balancer and a 1:30 position timing tab. The motor has obviously been monkeyed with (gear drive) so the possibility of this being the case is very high.

You're going to have to get a 1:30 position balancer to work with the timing tab eventually. BUT IN THE MEANTIME you can eyeball it a lot closer than you have it now. With a 12:00 position balancer the 0* (TDC mark) is stright up at TDC. A little to the left (CCW) from straight up is advanced. Shoot the balancer with your timing gun by looking straight down behind the water pump. A little to the left of dead-straight-up is what you want when setting the initial timing (at curb idle, no vacuum advance). If I'm right about the "mismatch" this should get you a lot closer to being in the ballpark than you are now.

Give that a shot and report back before you make ANY other changes.
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