I have been searching everywhere for the .ecu file for the 1227165 mass air ecm. does ne1 know where theres a file?

 

You can get one from Mark Mansur's site.

While you're there, download a copy of TunerPro. You'll never need to use (/want to use?) your Winbin again

John

 

The real question is : why would anyone actually want to use something as incomplete and inaccurate as the typical "ecu" file, for ANY serious tuning project.

If free is the motive, and you just want to look over a $32 binary file, you can do so with our software. The $32 definition (32.pcm) file we offer for free download IS complete and highly accurate.

Many have spent thousands to build a motor for their projects, and these folks really deserve something more than "a novice code hackers guess" when it comes to tuning their engines EFI management system!

If you simply must have an ecu file, we offer quite a few of these on our website for download, but be forwarned that we have not bothered to correct any of the mistakes that these files contain.
They are only included based on the fact they can offer a good starting point in the development of a PCM definition.

 

I am going to download TunerPro and check it out thanks.

 

This sucks man. I've put effort into making the 6E ecu accurate, because I, myself, use it. You're speaking out of line. I'm no novice.

I've been entirely polite to you and have made an effort *not* to shoot you down, state that I'm in direct competition with you, say anything bad about your product, or even sway people towards my software instead of yours in direct response to anyone's posts. In fact, there's a link to your software from my software's web site. From the start, you've given me crap. Here's an example: your response from my very first post about my software

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=159532

I ask that you show some respect for my efforts. I've extended this courtesy to you.

Email, PM, or call me if you have issues. I'd love to chat with you.

Mark

 

Mechanic, I'm embarassed to say that I gave you my money, Your program is a nice alternative to others out there and the pcm files are very complete and have some things that most ecu files don't have.
With that said you should not put down what others have done for free. This is a diy site I don't know if you relize that or not but this is where people come to learn and have fun with diy-efi. It seems that the moderators tolerate the companies that offer their software and hardware to the diy tuners but when you start bad mouthing someone who has done more for diy-efi than most people for free just because he's your competition thats where you step over the line. He's offering us a free software package that kicks ***. Is it as good as gmpcm......is it as complete.....no but it is not absolutly necesary to have your software to tune your car. In fact most of the extra's that your pcm files have are neat but not vital to tuning ecm's, any one with a hack can go and add most of your extra's once they deem them worthy of notice. Supply the info and let the consumer decide if it's right for them.

To others on this board: Sorry for the rant but these kinds of post are uncalled for and just plain poor buisiness practice.

 

And exactly how do you get by stealing the hard work and ideas of others and then calling it an effort?

I gave no direct reference to any ecu file in particular, so you objection is uncalled for. There are obviously some that are quite acceptable for "prom burning" needs. The 8746 ecu file is a very good example of quality work that has "continued" to be refined in the past. There are plenty of examples that are quite the contrary.

At least you are starting to actually put forth some of your "own" ideas and effort lately, and I commend you for that. But, from the onset it was little more than a copy of our ideas and you were forwarned of this in the exact post you cited. The fact that you choose not to charge for you little attempt is the "only" reason you have not been sued up till now.

Attempting to coerce people into believing that all ecu files have merit for serious tuning is an atrocity. I can site hundreds of errors that could easily cause engine damage if interpreted as per the respective ecu file, and you intend on promoting their use for real time emulation??
You obviously could not care less what the end results really are.

Of course there was the little matter of you attempting to steal and distribute the development efforts we put forth to produce our 42.pcm definition. I guess that seemed pretty convinient since the ecu file for this app sucks completely.
I do not believe for even a minute that you did not fully realize that this was a copyright infringement, but perhaps your "friend" should have read our softwares licensing aggreement more carefully. And, even though you seemed cooperative with removing the offending file, the damage had already been done.
You certainly do not deserve any recognition for all your hard work on that one do you?

And I am sure that many appreciate the $10 increase in our software's cost needed to cover the overhead involved in closing any potential future occurances of this nature.

I have nothing to say to you that cannot be addressed on a public forum, although I am sure you would prefer it to be kept out of the public eye. I do suggest however, that you do not provoke me or any other member of the GMPCM project any further.

 

No problem, that can be rectified quickly and easily.

I guess I should fall in to the corercion that is promenent here then, and encourage people to use ecu files, that I already know are plagued with errors, to tune their $2000 engine. Just turn it loose on an emulator and see what happens right?
Sorry, that is just not an aspect of my personality, I let folks know exactly how it "really" is. And if you think that the majority of ecu files were not composed by those that many would consider to be novice, than you have already fooled yourself.

 

I'm not sure how I could possibly have known. And I pulled it down when you made me aware of it.

What ideas, exactly, were "stolen?" I'm confused about this and would appreciate your clearing it up. And I'm confused how you believe that reverse engineering the programs developed by GM isn't, in some way, stealing? Of that we're all guilty. I'm confused how, by your statements, you could believe that you're the first to think up the idea of an editor for bin files. I'm confused as to how you could possibly state in one post or web site anything to the affect of "I have the DIY community's interest at the center of my efforts", and then post the dribble you've posted about my efforts (today and in the past). For that matter, I'm confused about how an ECU file, its format, or content, can be "copywrite" [sic] (copyright is what you meant, I guess). They can't be. Nor can they be patented.

I feel bad that I even have to be dragged into this - into hijacking someone elses [innocent] question/post in order to aire our dirty laundry. I feel bad that I even have to defend myself in this. But in the end I think you're doing your own damage here. I don't think I have contributed anything in that regard.

As far as "provoking you or your project any further"... show me the first occurence of this.

I suggested taking this offline not in the interest of saving the public from reading what needs to be said, but rather in the interest of keeping from hikacking a thread and out of respect for everyone else on the boards, including the moderators.

 

Ya, we should obviously let our lawyers work out the details, ehh.
You can expect to be contacted soon regarding this, we do not need to put up with your bs.

I also see that you quote me, and then state that my spelling is incorrect for a word that in that exact quote is spelled correctly. Are you on some type of medication, or is this just another one of your attempts to make me look bad in an effort to save yourself? LOL

 

Mechanic. Your amaze me. You come on here and snipe information. Call it your own. then proceed to tell everybody how great it is. How exactly did you develope all those PCM files so fast ? did you steal the info from tunercat tdf's ? who exactly is involved in the GMPCM project ? and why are lawyers invloved in a freeware issue ??


you cant possiably sue Mark. his code and your code are different. his rom editor supports a Common and freely avaiable file format. The file accuracy is fine on the $6e and the $32 and $32b ecu file. I know ive use them alongside of My full liscened Tunercat suite.

Get your head out of your ***.

At least Mark has a free rom editor that deosnt require kissing your ***.

 

Our lawyers advise us quite to the contrary, but I imagine that they are all wrong too, right??

BTW, we do not "snipe" information from here or elsewhere. We develop our definitions based on our own work, and relative information we obtain from many excellent sources that you will never see. :-) A few of our definitions were developed and contributed by our members, and as such we have no control over where they obtained their information.

We do not even own a copy of TC, and have not one of their expensive little definitions for reference, even if we wanted to use the small collection of items they are limited to.

Your suggestions are running the course of liable, so I suggest you locate your own ***...

 

I think you mean "libel", but if you look at what you've done labelling Mark a thief, you're in much bigger trouble.

Almost every post you've done on TGO is little removed from a commercial hijack of a DIY post. hvymtl asked for an ECU file, not a PCM file. Is this the sort of behaviour you feel you have to endulge in to sell your "superior product"?

By contrast, besides developing a great freeware editor, Mark is often on this site helping out newbies without subscripting every second post with "use my (commercial) editor". And your attack on funstick is almost as thoughtless and witless. It's pathetic that you write this crap and they have to defend themselves against it.

And tell us just where your ideas have been "stolen" by Mark. Everyone can see this is ludicrous.

I think you're just bullying, and threatening good freeware is endangering the whole DIY-PROM community's right to use good freeware. Your strategy with Mark is to continually hassle him, and I wouldn't be the only one concerned these attacks could turn him off what he is doing at no cost to the rest of us.

See what sort of legal support Mark will get from the DIY community if you sue him. And your name will be mud.

John.

PS, on 12-09-2002 at 02:56 PM, you wrote of your work: "The software was intended to be a VERY useful tool for hacking GM binary code." Your site is full of GM binaries, isn't it? Isn't this all supporting your commercial product? Do you have GM or Delphi permission for this?

PPS. IMHO, you ought to be banned unless you retract your insults.

 

No, actually I am quite serious. Our lawyers have wanted to pursue lawsuit for quite some time, but I felt it would not be in our best interest. Everyone has a right to change his mind..

As for this board being an important medium to me, I can assure you that it is not. F-bodies are actually only a very small segment of the tuning community, and we have seen very little support of our product here. This is likely due to the fact that we did not offer f-body specific definitions until just recently, as it was never a priority.
I did feel that offering our binary file database to TGO users would be acceptable, and obviously most of my past posts reflect this.

As for hijacking threads.. I doubt that suggesting to a new user that he might take a better approach for his tuning needs could be consider as such. Tunercat also offers definitions for the $32, and although I do not see anyone here recommending it, there are typically a few that will take that task upon themselves.
I never even stated that he should actually purchase our software, I simply informed him that there were other "free" alternatives that could be used for definition comparison, so that he could make a more informed decision. If this kind of advice is unacceptable to you, that’s really too bad.

I posted no insults, I merely stated facts. If you have a problem with fact, then perhaps you should do a bit of research. I am sure the FACT that you have not had access to our site for the past few months, goes far in explaining your motives in this thread.

 

My suggestion runs the course of libel ? WTF are you smoking. you better get a new attorney or attorneys before the judge laughs your *** out of court. Im sure if we start pulling a record of IP's that look at this page in a Invisbable mode yours will be there almost everyday.

I find you insulting and irratating to say the least. youve been here numerous times. Just spouting bull**** about how great your rom editor is. Who exactly are you. Since if you are going to name me in a lawsuit im gonna wanna call your Infromation suppliers to court. so then you would have to disclose this anways as part of discovery to prove your claim of libel.

better watch who you **** off around here. There are some smart folks with $$$ who would just love to eat a guy like you for lunch.

 

What's the deal? Why is everybody getting so fired up?

 

Well then why dont you just get the fizuck out of here and save yourself the agony of being part of this community.

Doesnt seem that you rally much support for your cause anyway.

We can all do without your attitude and propaganda.

 

Geesh To think I was going to get a copy of GMPCM to play with. Thanks for showing the true colors...

As for the F-body specific code not being needed... What about the last 15 years of hot rodders swapping these powertrains into every hot rod thinkable? Who's doing your marketing, Hellen Keller?

 

Oh really?.
I know it's just coincidence that your bin collection is a ringer for the DIY-EFI .bin library.
As I recall you also made a claim about correcting alot of them, well in the couple dozen I checked they were just spot on matches. Again, I guess just pure coincidence.

BTW, have you read the Board's Title?.
It's DIY.
Do It Yourself.
The basic intent is of novices doing chip work, if you want to advertise your commercial efforts, GREAT, buy some advertising space and help support this site. Other then that, I see you as being WAY out of line.

And you did all your work without reading Programming 101?, or any of the ECM Guy's stuff?.

Since I'm an independent in all of this, would you want to send me your commented hacs, and I'll compare them to what I've seen on the net?. Then I'll report back publiclly with what the results are?. I mean if you want to make the claim that you didn't do something, then I say, prove it. Seems like a simple solution to me.

And what do you say to paying for your advertising, here?.

And there are alot of items that the average tuner would do fine without even knowing about, IMO. But, I've only been at this a little while, maybe some of the more experienced guys, can elaborate on what these critical items are.

 

Mechanic,
I don't see your software supporting any of the devices that are about to come out of the DIY community (Prominator, Autoprom). If you want to be a part of this community, I would think you would be trying to get in on this stuff!

Maybe you already have a device out there though that these items are copies of?

BTW....Well said Grumpy....

 

Locked for obvious reasons.

Tim