Tuning with the EBL
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Re: Tuning with the EBL
I've noticed a discrepancy on some descriptions for AE Filters within the EBL documentation vs what I have found in this thread.
In documentation it says " A table of TPS filter coefficients based on coolant temperature. Used to lag the TPS value used to create the delta MAP term for AE PW. A smaller value will be a greater lag. Used to determine the duration of the TPS based AE. Also affects the magnitude of the TPS based AE." Within this thread I see it mentioned several times that the filter would be lowered to make AE come in sooner. So opposite of what the documentation says.
I want to make sure I have it correct as I am actively making changes to my AE and also want my modified XDF to be correct as well with the descriptions I added for each parameter. Can anyone verify which is correct? Intuitively a higher number is more filtering with greater lag...
In documentation it says " A table of TPS filter coefficients based on coolant temperature. Used to lag the TPS value used to create the delta MAP term for AE PW. A smaller value will be a greater lag. Used to determine the duration of the TPS based AE. Also affects the magnitude of the TPS based AE." Within this thread I see it mentioned several times that the filter would be lowered to make AE come in sooner. So opposite of what the documentation says.
I want to make sure I have it correct as I am actively making changes to my AE and also want my modified XDF to be correct as well with the descriptions I added for each parameter. Can anyone verify which is correct? Intuitively a higher number is more filtering with greater lag...
Curious what part of the EBL documentation you are referring to, so that it can be corrected in the future. Anyway, I did a deep dive on what you posted and this is what came up, which makes sense and appears the forum is correct. Have a look.The key technical explanation was captured in the search snippet. Here's a clear breakdown of what's actually correct:
The Documentation is Wrong (or at best, misleading) — The Forum Consensus is Right
Your intuition is correct, and so is the forum thread. Here's the precise technical explanation:How the Lag Filter Actually Works
The ECM reads the TPS sensor and lag-filters it every 12.5 milliseconds (80 times per second). The filter coefficient controls how quickly the filtered output chases the raw input. Third Generation F-Body Message BoardsThe math that matters: Delta TPS = Current TPS − Lagged (filtered) TPS
This delta value is what drives AE. So:
- Smaller coefficient → slower filter → output lags further behind input → LARGER delta → more AE, sooner and longer
- Larger coefficient → faster filter → output catches up quickly → SMALLER delta → less AE
So What's Wrong With the Documentation?
The documentation statement — "A smaller value will be a greater lag" — is technically correct on its own. A smaller coefficient does produce greater lag. The problem is the phrasing implies this is a bad thing or means AE comes in slower, when in fact greater lag = larger delta TPS = AE kicks in harder and faster from the tune's perspective.The forum saying "lower the value to make AE come in sooner" is correct in practice — lowering the coefficient increases the lag between raw and filtered TPS, which inflates the delta, which triggers a stronger AE response.
For Your XDF Description
Here's how I'd word it accurately:AE TPS Filter Coefficient (vs. Coolant Temp): Controls the lag rate of the TPS filter used to calculate delta TPS for AE. A smaller value = more lag = larger delta TPS = stronger and longer AE. A larger value = less lag = smaller delta = weaker, shorter AE. Affects both the magnitude and duration of TPS-based AE.
Smaller filter values result in larger delta TPS values, impacting the AE threshold, volume, and duration. Scribd
Your intuition that "higher number = more filtering with greater lag" is actually backwards — it's a counterintuitive parameter. Higher number = faster response (less lag), lower number = slower filter (more lag = more AE). The forum thread has it right
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Re: Tuning with the EBL
Originally Posted by dabomb6608
I want to make sure I have it correct as I am actively making changes to my AE and also want my modified XDF to be correct as well with the descriptions I added for each parameter. Can anyone verify which is correct? Intuitively a higher number is more filtering with greater lag...
- Rob
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