Anybody seen what EFI Live has for their product? The responses to this are great. I know that once upon a time that Craig and Mark were thinking/talking about something like this for TunerPro way back when. It would be great if this could be done for us OBDI guys. The nice thing about this is they did not try to do it in the bin. Instead they take the datalog and put a correction factor in based on the WBO2 logging that you then paste that back into your tables to reburn a new definition. Guys are saying that about 3 datalogs with corrections inbetween is all you need for a near perfect VE tune. I think it would take some work from the TP side and another program to piggy back onto the ALDL or something like a VEMaster on steriods. Maybe a way to run the emulator and have it correct on the fly as you drive then burn a new bin when you are done?

http://68.178.219.18/tutorials/AutoV...20Tutorial.pdf

 

Wow, that would make things much easier. Especially for the initial rough in of the bin. I just wonder though how much of the "smaller details" people would miss by just letting the program do everything for them though. Does sound like a handy little thing to have though. I wonder how close Mark could get to something like that with the hardware and software we have now. I happen to remember a post from a while back where Craig said the hardware was there and the software was almost there. Now if only there was a way to get the car to drive for me. I could get that extra half an hour snooze in on the way to work.

 

Have you guys seen EBL by RBob?

 

Embedded lockers does not work with a 8D an as far as I know only works with the TBI bin. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

I wonder if Mangus has thought about a "auto tune" type feature. Maybe it would be easier to include it in a seperate program? I'm no programmer by any means. So i have no idea how hard this would be or what it would involve. I've wondered though, sounds like the program in EFIlive is kind of a...."VE-Master" type program. It creates a log, etc,...jump forward....then it gets loaded into the bin and ready for the next run. Would it maybe be just as easy to look through the source of VE Master and see if it could be made to do the same? Or am i at a misunderstanding? Emulating and auto-tune-on-the-fly seems like it would be the way to go...

 

Craig and I have been thinking along these lines for a while now. Just a matter of building the framework.

Step one was to implement ALDL data tracing. That was done last year, at least in proof-of-concept form.

Step two: re-write my (ALDL) data acquisition engine to be far more robust and add some necessary histogram objects for tracking changes and out-of-tune conditions. I'm doing that as I type this.

Step three: sit down and really think through the auto-tuning algorithms, user parameters (limits, rates, etc), and definitions.

Step four: implement. This step has the fewest words, but the most work.

I'd say it's still many months down the road in TunerPro. There just isn't enough time in a day anymore. I propose 36 hour sun cycles.

 

I second the motion.

RBob.

 

I hear you guys. Maybe a group effort from some of the programmers. The interesting thing here is that the EFI Autotune system is using the WBO2 sensor for the tune. This means that if a similiar program was to be made it need to be able to imput this. I know Z69 and JP were looking at embedding the bin to go to the commanded AFR and have looked into a guy doing it with I believe a GN bin. The most interesting thing here is that this is like a VEMAster type program that tunes based on the ALDL log. This would essentially make it a more universal program so I would not look at it as a TP program per say unless Mark gets his 36 hour days. Again all I can do is help test and sometimes I don't think I am very good at that.

 

I move we make that motion unanimous....

I'll offer my astute neophyte services as another test bed as well. I've been doing a lot of the S_AUJP (version 4) testing for Scott in the manual tranny options (which is coming along VERY nicely!), and would absolutely love to help out with any auto-tuning capabilities or EBL type efforts. I'm just a dumb old phart, but I love playing with my car (730 running $8D) and it's setup.

As frustrating as it can be at times (read my "About to trash a Super Ram" thread in Alternative Intakes for more info on Ultimate Frustration and it's definition - I've got the picture in the dictionary for that ), I still enjoy doing it and it's usually actually relaxing for me to do so. Guess that makes me pretty in some folks' minds.....

 

Motion carries, we will adjust the earth's rotational characteristics accordingly. May take a while though....

 

Everybody get in your cars and drive to the east, that'll slow down the earth, as long as you don't bring them back, darn. Just go around the world, I guess. And tow heavy objects, and put forward facing exhausts on, to improve efficiency. Also, disable your brakes. Parachutes might be the best way to stop.

Or maybe I'll put on my cape...

 

Earth's Slowing Rotation

 

WOW! In just under 2 billion years we will have 36 hour days!

 

But i can't wait 2 billion years!!! Oh well guess i'll just settle for 12 hours.... Wait nothing says we have to sleep... I don't care for the idea of driving around the world. I don't think there's enough gas stations along the way.

 

Would a program like this be able to account for a larger cam?

If its based entirely of ALDL data, wouldn't it have serious issues with trying to make the idle super rich, thinking it is lean, when it is already super rich?

Strikes me as a fantastic idea for upper end tuning, but idle tuning may prove to be difficult!

I'd love to help out, but I haven't got any of the technical skills required, lol

 

If you read the documentation it allows you to only edit the areas you want to. I think part of that is to taylor it to your datalogs. Also you should be looking at O2 Rich/Lean constants for a rich idle.