ok I am looking for the starter relay to engage the starter I have the power in or b+ wire need to find the ignition wire that opens the circut or the s+ i think? cannot find the second wire. Any help is greatly appreciated guys sorry for the dumb question.

 

if it has a vats, i think there is a relay in the drivers side kick panel ... you did not say if it was a stick or auto though, or what year it was, or if it has a vats or not ... more info could be helpful ... also if you would say what the car is doing or not doing may help as well

 

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Car: 1991 firebird
Engine: 3.1 swapped to a 350 small block
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: solid rear axle

See
https://www.thirdgen.org/vats_passkey_system

 

Sorry bout that its a 91 auto originally a 3.1 now a 350 with ecm delete trying to find the power wire from relay to the starter so I can hook up the starter

 

Where are you looking ?
There should be a purple wire in the engine bay by where your old V6 starter was
that operates the starter

 

Ok I was looking in the bay trying to find it with a test light lol hit the key and probe wires since I got no ecm I and gotta worry about back probing one but anyhoo thanks what where they saying about crossing wires to make it work?

 

so does the solenoid wire act as the ground completing the circut then I got the purple wire but no power to it or am i missing the feed for the relay somewhere?

 

did you check it for power with the key in the start position? (sorry to ask such a simple question, but sometimes people overlook the simple stuff)

and no, it gets it ground from being bolted to the block, so make sure your ground wire to the block is in a good clean place

also, if you have to have the car right now, you can always mount a starter switch under the dash and take power straight from the B+ to the switch, then out to the starter where the purple wire goes

 

Yea I did I had a guy hit the key while I was probing with a test light and got nothing I am trying to find the actuall relay to check it but it all worked before the swap thats why im confused

 

did you check all your grounds ... do all the lights work right? ... do you maybe have both turn signal lights in the dash come on when you turn on your headlights?

 

also, there is a "relay" in the drivers side kick panel (just to the left of the pedals under that panel) if you had a vats system, you will have to bypass that to get power to the purple wire ... it works a lot like the safety switch on a clutch

 

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https://www.thirdgen.org/vats_passkey_system

Does the purple you found have a metal ring terminal on it ?

 

he had found the purple wire, but now it has no power to it with key in the start position
i think he may need to bypass the starter disable for the vats still though

 

Yes the two grounds are good I get both indicator lights comeon for the turns when headlights are on

 

do they come on when the turn signals are off, but the lights are on? ... and do you have a vats in your car?

does your key look like this one? http://www.michaelhyde.com/assets/im.../S595519-2.jpg

 

Yea they Do what is vats?

 

Yea I got a chipped key

 

ok, vats is the Vehicle Anti Theft System ... and it will not let the starter engage without the proper signal ... easy way to test that is ... Remove Driver side kick pane and its recessed into the body there. Lil green wire, ground that, no vats ignition passkey required ... and if your turn signal lights light up with the headlights on, but the signals turned off, it should have a bad ground still ... make sure the ground strap from the back of the motor is bolted to the body, and make sure that the ground cable from the B-is tight to the motor, and in a place that is not shielded with rubber (like dont have it hooked to a motor mount)

 

Ok thanks ill play with it some more and let ya know if that works

 

All explained in the link I posted for you to read above as well as a pic of where the relay you seek is located

 

Ok I got the green and black grounded and I still cant figure this out I got vats disabled because the security light goes out but I dont get power to the 10g ppl wire when I hit the key? Could I not have something right still I think its a power wire to the interior bc I got all grounds good and I only got half my int stuff no dash lights dome lights etc ill look tomorrow lol sorry I just finally got time to get back to it gma was sick and finally passed so that took all my time up.