well, my car will be mostly a weekend car and a DRAG RACER...so i was thinkin a 454ci those motors are great for the quarter mile....does anyone have any pointers on the install and specs..and does the 700R4 tranny fit on the motor? and 4.56 gears or 4.10 gears will be installed NO HWY DRIVING for this car..hahaha...so THANX in advance for anyone helpin me out with this.

 

BBC swap info is on my page at www.koolmeister.com

Miles

 

The 700R4 will bolt on but you may consider using a TH350 or TH400 instead since you won't be doing any highway driving. You don't need OD on the dragstrip.

Gear ratio will depend on what size tires you use and at what rpm the engine will shift at.

When I built my first BBC, I'm on my third , I budgeted for $5000 Canadian. When I finally turned the key to start the car I was up to $8000. It all depends on how much you want to do to the engine. I have close to $1500 just in machine shop work. You could drop in a relatively stock BBC for less than $3000.

Don't forget that building an engine with more HP won't make you run fast if you can't get the power to the ground. 600hp will only run 12's if you sit and spin the tires or break driveline parts every time you try to drive it. Stock driveline and chassis are only designed for stock performance.

 

You'll fry every 700R4 you put behind a strong big block. TH350 will require frequent rebuilds. You're into a TH400, 4L80E (electronically controlled TH400 with over drive), or a power glide. If this is truly a drag car you'll probably be into a power glide.

 

thats why i need to forget trying to install 454 into the 84 Z,,, theres no way the car could hold up for extended period of time, rear suspension and the 700r4,
i do know where i can get hands on a powerglide right now for cheap,

 

put a TH400 behind it with a shift kit and it will be perfect. I have a truck we have a beefed up 454 with a TH400 behind it and have never had a problem yet, it was 7-8 yrs ago when we put it in.

 

hey just noticed your thread
please do not try and put a solid big block in front of a 700r4
youll be very mad that you wasted the tiime and effort when you finally figure out that the 700 wont take the torque
if anyones interested i have a 468 big block for sale
with a matched converter and th400 trans
you can view the ad in classifieds or email me at jimme25@hotmail.com and ill get back to you i also have pics if needed
thanks jimbo

 

C'mon Jimmy don't tempt me. I'm trying my best NOT to spend money.

 

DO NOT USE THE 700 R-4! i myself after installing a 502 crate motor from gm have went through numerous tranny swaps to get the right thing for strip racing. i have finally found peace with a powerglide with hand controls like the stock cars use. as for the rear end i opted with a narrowed 9" and hardened axles and went with a set of lakewood traction bars to keep the power to the ground. in all i have spent less than 5000 dollars to make my car run low 9's in the quarters. im sure if u talk to your gm parts man and tell him that u will advertise his business for a deal on a motor they will give u the motor for very little over their cost, which is 50% of list price. i got mine for 100 over cost. i have access to approxiamately 100 9" rears that will need the work done to make them fit ur car and about 15 powerglides left around...i would be more than happy to machine u a handle for the powerglide like i use..let me know and happy racing!!!!!!

 

hey ATO
you sure you wouldn't be interested
we could make a deal

hahahahaha!!
jimbo

 

You can set up a car to run low 9's but have no clue what tranny to put behind it? By the way, if you remove the passenger seat you can hit 8's no problem. It's amazing what those ZZ502 crate engines will do, huh?

Just be honest, dude. Every F-body belongs here and every owner is welcome. Okay?

 

Low 9's in the 1/8 maybe or is that low 9's from Desktop Dragstrip?.

Even the 502/502 won't push a third gen into the 9's. To push a 3300 pound car to 9.5 in the 1/4 you need to be making at least 760 hp. Lets say the third gen is a stripped down, tube chassis, race only car at 2300 pounds. You would then only need 530 hp to run 9.5 in the 1/4.

$5000 wouldn't even cover the cost of an engine to put you in the 9's.

The chrome shifter **** is worth 5 hp isn't it?

 

i really don't know what ur issues are buddy but behind every serious car nut you will find experimenting. i have taken this car from a street thug to a monster and u want to diss my ride????? are u that unstable with yourself that you have to make rude remarks about someone else's car? why would i remove the passengers seat and take the joy out of having a fully street legal machine that i can take my wife cruising in?
as for your smart a** remarks stephen 87 iroc.....i will be happy as ever to compare 1/4 miles tags with you anyday! as for my car...i have a complete lift off fiberglass front end along with fiberglass door skins(thanks to my brother who owns a body shop), the motor was purchased from my uncle's gm dealership in which he is the one who gave me the advice that if u advertise the dealer they will give u a motor for little over cost(btw...the motor bill from the crate was only 2356.00), and special thanks goes to my best friend who owns Hausladen's auto supply for reworking my engine(for the fun of it) and adding a a dual stage big shot nitrous kit(available from jegs for about 900.00, and also a pat on my back for owning a salvage yard and having the parts availability.
i suggest next time u decide to jump the gun and call bull sh**, u better ask questions first and get the facts or be called out as an incoherent *****. for my only objective here was to give advise to a fellow 3rd gen owner who i am proud to call a "brother".
once again happy racing DR RIDEZ!!!!!!

 

The guy can't spell but boy oh boy, can he build one heck of a ride.... That one got better as it went along.

 

And it's street legal too!

Impressive. Let's see... after buying the engine, nitrous, Lakewood "lift bars" for the wrong application (we don't use lift bars) you had about $1650 left. You probably had the $800 custom made big block headers for a 3rd gen Camaro sitting around in your junk yard. Not to mention both of the $300 electric fuel pumps. Since you don't mount a torque arm to a power glide, did you bolt up a used 4-link suspension or get the $350 Spohn torque arm and crossmember kit? No.... you fabbed your own, didn't you? I know I left out a bunch of little things like a gear reduction starter, torque converter, radiator (it's got to live on the street you know), race mufflers, ignition system, safety harness, and that cute fire retardant suit. But that's only like $15 max.


Dang! You did have enough left for a cage and fiberglass front clip. What can I say? I was aaaaaaaaall wrong.

I still wonder though... Do you have more room to work inside the unibody with the front clip off?

 

I was kinda wondering that myself. Under $5000 and there's an awful lot of stuff given or donated.

Sounds like one of those $1000 to run 12's buildups and they have an old set of Brodix heads sitting on the shelf.

"reworking my engine(for the fun of it)" How long did he take and what's the shop rate?
"and adding a a dual stage big shot nitrous kit(available from jegs for about 900.00" Ohh, more freebies that were never mentioned originally. I told you a crate engine wouldn't have been able to do it!

How about I find myself a sponsor to buy me a 9 second car and say I'm able to run 9's for nothing. Not everyone is going to get parts given to them or even at cost.

So you may have a 9 second car but before you go bragging about it don't go misleading everyone about doing it for much less than the average person can even think of.

I could take my single stage NOS kit off my truck and put it on the race car and get into the 9's also.

If you want a comparison, not counting all my time and effort doing much of my own work on the car, my setup is around $18,000 US. That's including the original purchase price of the car a few years ago.

 

u guys really act like u think ur perfect..i cant believe the attitude one gets for posting a reply...what a joke!!! u guys are so immature, but then since ur perfect u already know what my bank account has and even what i have for parts....hahahahaha...get a grip or maybe a life the way it sounds! and btw...life bars arent applicable?????? perhaps u better know your camaros before u reply again im reading the newest jegs as we speak and they list them as lift bars on page 157 of the magazine...lol....as for the fuel pump i only needed one holley 350 gph to keep me up to speed for a cost of 356.00...better read up and get a few clues!

 

don't knock on stephan so hard he helps alot of people on this board including me. he other moderator's and senior members are always willing to answer my stupid questions, and also if we all had the resources or money would'nt we all have a 502 powerd 9 second car?

 

the only reason i left a post was to help a guy out on a transmission question....i never told anything about the car being sponsored either...i just happen to have friends and family that like to be involved.....of course favors are returned but only because thats the way we do things where im from. the car was a 5 year project with lots of time and thought involved and built merely for fun and pleasure. im sure if u guys were living like i do that ur friends and family would give in to help ur project go smoothly and cheaply also.

 

stephen...yes if i included the cost of the car when this started and all costs involved including having to pay for all donated time and parts....i too would have nearly 20 g's stuck in my project, but take into consideration that i didnt say everyone could build a 9 second car for under 5 grand, i merely stated that i had. and now that i know how much fun this car is...i would pay for everything out of my pocket if i needed too just to have as much fun as i do with it. i used to drive nothing but ford's until i built this car (with help) and now every vehicle i own personally is a gm product...have to sell ford parts at my yard or i would go broke cause gm's dont break down as much...lol.....and also i looked at ur racing website and i must say it is impressive! what part of canada is calgary in?? i have a cabin in northern minnesota that i frequent during the racing season and if its close enough maybe i could trailer my car and let you run it once...it would be my pleasure to let an experienced driver run it...im by no means a pro racer...i have run the car at the local strip on several occasions after a modification was done but nothing serious yet...like i said...it was built for fun!!!

 

I think that sums it up.

No, life bars have nothing to do with this. You're right though, it does say lift bars. But frankly, by definition those are control arms. I'll be sure to notify Lakewood of their mistake.

 

At least we can spell.

 

i dont know about you guys

but trust me its not hard to hjave


30 grand in a nine second car
i do
but i love it !!!!
jimbo