I am looking to do something about the motor in my Camaro. It currently has the stock 2.8L V6, which is pretty much useless. I was wondering if anyone can tell me how hard it would be to swap this engine in place of the 2.8L engine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-...7654351QQrdZ1I was also looking into a 3.1L engine swap. Which would be easier, and which could make more power? I am not looking for anoyone just to tell me to swap to a 350 or an LSx, so please keep on topic. Thanks everyone.

 

You might try posting in the V6 section, they seem to know a lot about this. From what they say, it sounds like the 3.1 swap would be easier, but I'm not experienced in either, so I don't know myself.

 

I can tell you that the throttle body and the firewall will be fightning for the same space. The water outlet will be on the rear of the engine. The motor mounts are in a different spot. The transmission bellhousing bolt pattern drilled into the block is the same as the RWD 2.8 though. The flexplate looks similarly sized to the 2.8 so the torque converter should bolt up fine. (I know the 1993 4.9L FWD Cadillac V8 bolted right up to my 2.8 700r4 in my Chevy Blazer that had the 2.8) and the converter bolted right up.

 

If you cannot tell the difference between a 200 or 700r4 then swapping in a motor that is not suppose to be in your car is probably not the best route. Let me guess... you want a V6 to be different? Yep, alot of people say that and guess what, they aren't different, they are still slow.

I won't tell you to swap in a V8, but I will tell you that you are wasting your time. The rest you will figure out on your own. Not trying to be a jerk, but I am being honest.

 

It's a 700R4, happy now? I haden't looked to see which it was, and I knew they came with both 200, and 700R4's, so I temporarily put that down.

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Thanks everyone, and sorry about that.

 

You'll be even sorrier if you do it again. Read the Board rules, to which you agreed when you signed on, again.

 

Nelapse was playing by the rules. You should too. Brutal honesty needs to be told sometimes to get the point across. You can't insult or swear at anyone here, that's part of the rules.

When a combo has never been done before, there's usually a reason. It's a bad idea. I don't like to think i'm a special snowflake, and i'm smarter than all other 3rd genners, so i'll do something that no one else has done before. I'd rather do the boring and obvious, and be faster then the others nearby. I swapped in a 350. 'bout as boring as it gets, but boy is it ever fun to drive!

 

ok the 3.1 is pretty much a 2.8 stroked. its an easy swap but theres very little you could do it aside from a custom turbo or NOS. the 3.8 however can be supercharged obviously and that will push decent power and if you really wanna be creative because of the lack of efficient boost of an sc at high rpms you could also turbo the sc'd 3.8 and run great thorugh all rpms with no boost lag or losing high rpm power.

If you really wanna gauge which engine you want based upon power then see if you can find two v6 4th gens to race one 93-97 and one 98+ then older one has a 3.1 and the newer one has a 3.8. yea the wieght is different but it'll give you a rough idea. and then realize that yours will be sc'd

repost this topic in the v6 forum though and maybe daves12secv6 will add something to the discussion. He has a lot of experience with turboed v6s and hes actually looking to do a 3.8 setup now that will be pushing around 500 rwhp. so high hp is possible and you can run good speeds for a v6.

 

Thanks for the input guys. I'm just brainstorming right now, and I just want to look at all available options before I make my decision.

 

You asked for advice. I gave advice.

Please do not send me anymore childish private messages. No one called you anything. Another piece of advice; quit while you are ahead. Five7 does not like being called out like that, and things do not usually end up well.

After you calm down and think about what you are saying perhaps maybe you can think everything through.

You have money and time on one hand. Gain and reliability on the other.

Only you can weigh them according to your needs/ wants. I still believe you are wasting your time, but no one is twisting your arm.

 

Put an Iron Duke in it

 

i know you wanna stay v6 and id suggest the 3.8 really just because of abundance and that fact that you can get alot of stuff for that engine. If you dont care about the fact that the 3.8 has a gm availible sc for it then shop around for awhile and id say check out the classified on this page and on some forth gen pages. ppl might be upgrading from 3.8 and need to ditch the engine or you might get lucky and someone ****ed up there v6

 

I have the engine you want to swap in my daily driver. I LOVE IT. I dont like to admit it, but my Daily driver buick is faster than my camaro & ITS HEAVIER!!! I have thought about doing what you are proposing a few times... The L67 is a great motor & like someone else said there are a ton of parts out for it. There are alot of Regals & Grand Prixs running in the 12's with L67's, a smaller pulley & an intercooler. Once you get the engine into your car, its actually going to be cheaper to get power out of the L67 than it would be with a SBC. But getting the engine in is the whole probem to begin with. Heres my thoughts...

-A 5-speed trans from a 4th gen V6 car should bolt right up to the engine.
-You will more than likely have to get custom engine mounts made.
-Without laying it out in cad, I dont know exactly how bad the throttle body/firewall problem will be. As long as there is some room, you can get some tubing to attach to the TB and do a 180 degree turn.
-Hood clearance shouldnt be a problem, but I would suggest a cowl hood for your intake.
-Electrical... Dont ask me... I suck at that stuff.


I probably wont end up doing the swap, its uncharted territory & I dont like to possilbly wasting money on a project that may not end up working out. I would much rather do a project that I know works. Therefore, I will be looking for an LT1 when it comes time to replace my engine. In addition to the extra power, I get that V8 rumble too!

 

You will deffinately need a cowl hood for the sc and an intercooler can be mounted right behind the radiator. with our cars the v6 owns are lucky. you get more space to play with for power adders. you need the wiring harness and id suggest getting a racing chip because you need to change the ecu anyway. go to the v6 pages though if you really arent getting an 8 they'll help so much more.

 

I can't even keep up with a regular V6 Prix, so I would think that the 3800sc could get me scootin. I want to have decent gas milege as well, and I like the idea of having all of that room to work with. I have seen some turbo kits that replace the SC and make a bit more power.

 

Keeping your goals in mind, you could probably do an LS1 swap and spend less money, get more power, get more fuel efficiency and encounter less headaches.

 

Swomina, remember, power to weight. I wouldn't bother with the S/C 3.8, just swap in a 3.1, because of the simplicity, then lighten up the body some. Put a nice stall in that tranny, then Contact daves12secondV6 for one of his turbo kits designed specifically for those engines. Last but not least, enjoy your car.

 

And a 3.4 is the same basic engine externally as the 3.1. If you're going to do a 60-degree swap, and then turbo it, might as well start with the bigger engine.

 

What are some things I could do to lighten the body some besides changine the hood. I already have aftermarket rims, and there doesn't seem like there is much to do besides tearing up the interior. If I do a 3.1 with a turbo, will it be everyday drivable? I want a reliable and smooth running car.

 

Do a search on that, there are countless threads on weight reduction. There should be one that is current in the Body forums that is 3 pages long now.

 

There is a thread on here somewhere titled "My late night quest for 3000lbs", or something like that. As far as weight reduction in general, a fiberglass hood helps, as well as a fiberglass notchback. It isn't so much the matter of weight, rather, where that weight is being concentrated...

As far as a boosted 3.1, from what I've seen of Dave's Camaro last year when I met him at Raceway Park, it is extremely streetable. I think his best time with the 3.1 is somewhere in the mid twelves, and that's not too shabby for a forgotten about V6. A stall will help you tremendously, as it did him...

 

For a "daily driver" I personally like having a bunch of ammenities, but I guess if I wanted a "dual purpose" car (something I drive every day that goes fast). I'd probably make the sacrifice and ditch the AC, PW, PL, Radio, and other things like that.

I'm still on a Quest to get my Berlinetta down to a 3200lb curb weight with me behind the wheel.

Maybe I should start my weight reduction mods by exercising more