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550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 09:53 PM
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550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

So i went down to the local enigine builder to get my 509 casting 400 block to get checked out and all that good stuff. we got and he was saying i can make 550 at the fly with a set up of. forged 5.7 h beam rods, forged crank, srp forged pistons 10.5 to 1 compression to run on pump gas, with a custum gring hydro roller retro kit from isky and my brodix track 1 227 cc heads and current single plane brodix intake manifold. all work done with cam and all that in the $3000 range all set up. my question is this a real number or a bunch of to get me to drop that kind of money at his shop? he has a VERY good local rep but dont wanna take anyones word as 100%
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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$3000 for a forged bottom end short-block, you're providing the block.

Passes the sanity check. If they were talking a 550 HP long-block, different story.
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

For the parts and install, $3,000 is about right for a SBC motor - forged parts. I would like to see you go to a 6" rod if possible...

But machine work on a 400 (if not done already) can add up quickly - especially if you internally balance.

550hp is not a problem for a strong 406; a good friend built a 514hp 406 back in 1994 with AFR 195s and a mild roller cam - motor only peaked at 5800 rpm.
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 06:42 PM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

yeah i asked about a 6" rod but he said it would add up to alot more work to machine it and a little price difference in parts in the going up direction. He is going to balamce it for me as well while it is there.
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

You dont need those wild (and PITA) 227 heads for only 550hp. A buddy of mine built an 11:1 406 a few years ago with a mild 236/242 cam, AFR 195cc, Edelbrock RPM and 750 Demon DP carb. I don't remember the exact dyno numbers, but it worked out to over 500fwhp (was done on a chassis dyno).

A set of AFR 210s would be a better choice. The 227s require some unique stuff to use them IIRC.
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 08:34 PM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

i already have the top end. lol
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 08:03 AM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

Originally Posted by sleepertt
i already have the top end. lol
Hod did this work out?

I'm working on a 412 right now. Probably go AFR 195 or larger for heads. Solid cam though, looking to push over 500hp on pump gas.

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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

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Hod did this work out?

I'm working on a 412 right now. Probably go AFR 195 or larger for heads. Solid cam though, looking to push over 500hp on pump gas.

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Go for the 210cc at least. The 400ci+ engines LOVE the big ports!
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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Re: 550 fwhp out of pump gas 406?

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Go for the 210cc at least. The 400ci+ engines LOVE the big ports!
Yeah, I just hope to maintain velocity so it doesn't suck at low speed.


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