Ok I just purchased a 91 camaro rs to replace my 1st one i ever had.
(Just couldnt forget the greatness of 3rd gen camaros)

The guy i purchased it from was a very mechanically inclined person, but he half *** stuff.
He dropped in a 350 bored 40 over with vortec heads, put a edelbrock vortec intake, 750 edelbrock carb, shorty headers and a 268 lunati voodoo cam with a true straight gear drive. the motor is backed up by a built 700r4 and a disk brake rear end from a 1994 ws6 trans am.

Now.. while he was explaining all he did he lost me at some parts and while driving it home i was soon to realized he did some things sloppy.

One - He removed the Carbon Canisters. I noticed it when he popped the hood, and asked for em, Suprisingly he had them but i have to install them back. --- My question for this is, ive been reading about people removing them and to me i cant see a reason too, if it causes fumes to engulf anything in the vacinity. So is this the cause of the smell, or is there a way past it.

Two - Car stalls at low rpms. Now i havnt checked on this yet but my 89 Firebird did the same thing, and i think its just the TPS he has hooked up. Im going to try and adjust it a little and see if i can get it to idle higher.
(Any other suggestions on what could do this)

Three - The rear end from the 94 Firebird, I do believe it is to tight. Causes the car to feel very stiff when making turns above 50mph and makes quite a loud pitch shriek. Any tips on what i could do for that.

Four - When he dropped the engine in and such, he never pulled any old wires. He claims there all still there, just pushes back toward the firewall and tied up. But on first inspection under the hood i noticed some places where connectors could still attach to on the serpentine system. I probably need pictures for this one to recieve more help. -- I will post later today, im at work now is why i have time to think of all this.

Five - He installed a B & M Shifter.. honestly its fun, but Damn its a pain in the *** to get use to!! No errors here just thought i would give a little input.

Six - Oh, I vaguely remember him saying he was trying to do a swap of some sort other then what he already has, partially has to do with the wiring, i asked him about the ECM and he said all the wiring was still there if i wanted to go back to a TPI setup.. So i think he was in the process of going to a carb, so if i were to continue what he was doing what should go to make my engine bay look alot neater. (I Dont want lose wires that arnt doing anything, this is also why i think the Carbon canister was out)

Seven - One last thing, The PO before the guy i bought it from removed the window wiper reservoir and something else having to do with why my wipers dont work... I need those. So any assistance for that would be helpful.

Most of the little things i will try and figure out myself,
I purchased this car 3 hrs before i went to work tonite, and was 2hrs away. So i pretty much got home, parked it and then drove my firebird here. Havnt really looked into much but I figure i start a thread and try and keep it up until i have the Camaro in decent shape.

 

I sympathize. After I did the swap in my '86 IRoC-Z, I had some of those same problems. I was going from an LB9 to a carb'd 350.
I have no problem with the charcoal canister, it only adds maybe 1 pound to the car, and really doesn't hurt performance in any way.
Maybe that axle has some very strong springs installed in it's posi? That would be great for drag racing / drifting, but hell in the winter. Or maybe I didn't understand?
Wires to the serpentine, probably 2 leads for the a/c compressor. Got those?
That's the console Megashifter, right? I once tried the tall version in someone's pickup truck, I didn't like it as well as I liked another guy's B&M Hammer in his Mustang.
The charcoal canister was used for both factory carb and factory EFI, so he could have left it in with the conversion.
Washer bottles. I didn't have one in my '86 Camaro when I bought it a few weeks ago. So at the salvage yard, I grabbed a nice one off an '89 Firebird.
But when I went to install it, I discovered that the '86 has the washer fluid pump built into the wiper motor, while the '89 has a pump attached to the bottle. So you probably can't use an early style bottle.

 

Ok i just got home and took some pictures to help describe what I see.
I didnt have a program that would let me circle or put arrows to the problem areas so i took isolated pictures so it should be obvious where the problem is.

Alright, Picture 1 is where the missing Carbon Canisters are suppose to go.

Picture 2 is two pipes that come off the radiator. Not sure what it goes to, but it might be linked to the carbon canisters also.. <--- pretty sure actually. 2nd opinion would be great.

Picture 3 i me questioning if the wires should be bundled like that... And the batteries hot wire is jumbled in with this all going back to the junction block.

 

Yea that could well be it, but it sucks for city driving! It halls though going on a straight away

 

This is the missing connector.
Where the reservoir should be mounted.
And a engine shot, just for kicks.

 

picture one is just for the a/c u dont need it
picture 2 are for the a/c lines..removed with the a/c canister
picture 3..lol take them all apaprt and clean it up abit like i did with mine looks alot better now

 

that missing connector is just for a/c thats the compressor plug it in it will circulate the gas from the condenser (which is missing) through the coils for the a/c cooler which is behind your radiator and through your vent you could take that whole thing out to make it cleaner and put a metal plate over the hole and get and a/c delete pully for the a/c compressor so you wont have as much drag on the motor..p.s nice engine looks good(Y)

 

now im confused then if those are all ac lines then why does my car emit such a large amount of fumes. It just kicks off a very rich smell anywhere it goes. Any idea on how to stop it?

 

The carb prob needs to be down jetted running to rich or your charcoal canister is plugged

 

What do you mean by down jetted?
And In one of the pictures I posted, i think the 1st one is where I thought the Charcoal canister was supose to be, but there is nothing there. Was told it was part of my a/c but that was just one oppinion.

 

Nope it's for a/c your charcoal canister it black and has two vacuum lines on the top and will be opposite of your battery beside the fender and front bumper I will take a pic of mine tomorrow if need be and down jet it so it's not putting out as much gas so u won't get the smell

 

I have 2 fire birds with v8 swaps into them the one came factory with a/c and I removed the a/c and it looks exactly like yours and the other one came factory with no
A/c but both still have the charcoal canister the one I plugged it and it started to smell so I unplugged it and it was fine as well lots of pressure was being released when I removed the gas cap but everything is ok now

 

Ok, yea A picture of your charcoal canister would help alot.
The smell isnt as bad as it was initally but is still kind of there.
I also just fixed my low idle so it no longer stalls out anymore.
Im about to put my alternator of my 89 firebird onto the 91 camaro since i blew something in my engine on the bird. so it has no use for a brand new alternator.

 

pm your email and i can send the pics it will be a little easier lol and that way if u have anymore questions i can answer them right away

 

Here are the pics first pic is of the charcoal canister
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/photo17rv.jpg/

second is a pic of an engine bay that had a/c and the canister was removed along with the compressor on the motor(that thing you dont have plugged in)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/photo18hp.jpg/

third is where the charcoal canister should be located opposite of your battery
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...hoto19xwf.jpg/

fourth is of an engine bay that never came with a/c from the factory
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/photo20r.jpg/

 

Ok i appreciate it, I got my a/c connected mostly, just couldnt find the compressor connector in all the wires that were just pushed back. Decided i need my A/C in Texas. Only thing i get out of not having a/c is alot more sweaty unconfortable rides. And im not really worried about a little weight.

 

Oh and i need some window wiper help.
Mine dont work, switch or anything.
Where would i start to figure out what the problem is.
I know i dont have washer fluid, but they should still move imo.

 

Check the fuse, and wiring connections. Worst case is you need a new wiper motor.

 

1- hook it up it will stop the oil vapor smell
2-Carb tuning possibly jetted wrong.
3-the things some do. find a third gen rear end
4-the tps is triggering the lock up to the 700's torque converter
5-agree
6-get a shop manual for tpi http://carburetor-manual.com/tuned-p...ual-p-127.html then clean it up and loom it. Down load it for $8.
7-Make sure the motor is still there. Lots of idiots pulling engines trash them during the process and others remove them then get in a hurry after the swap and never put them back like guys who don't like vacuum lines or purge canisters.

 

Sorry that 4 goes with 2.
4- lots of sensors such as IAC CTS TSS Knock sensor Injector connectors. All in the manual.

 

Ok, Are any of the sensors removed if swapped from a 305 to a carb 350?
Or are they all still there and nessecary.

Also, anyone have a picture of what the a/c connector looks like that goes into the compressor.. I thought it was no way that it could be far from the plug-in spot but its no where in the vacinity.

 

It is my understanding that the ECM controls the charcoal/purge canister. It sporadically opens the valve and lets the throttle body get rid of the excess vapors. Without the fuel injection system there, what is the ECM realistically going to be doing with it? Even the factory carb cars had ECM's controlling things.

I would have run a hose down to where the canister was to make sure it vents at the bottom of the fender, gutted the TPI harness and removed the ECM properly, and set up a TCC lockup switch.

I bet that fourth gen rear looks awful, are the tires sticking out like 2 inches on both sides? If so just get a 3rd gen rear. the 4th gen rears have better brakes and a lot of times they swap them because the gears are better and they ahve posi carriers. You can swap this over to a thirdgen rear if you like if its 89+.

I also removed my windshield washer fluid resevoir. I never use it, it's pointless. It was a great spot to install a fuel pressure regulator, so that's where it went. On the other hand, my windshield wipers still work. I actually need those.

If you removed the ECM and its harness, and the A/C junk that's left over you could clean up the engine bay a lot and it would look a whole lot better.

Also, from what he told you about the engine, it should be pretty stout. It's a very popular, good combo right there. If its healthy it has the potential to go low 13s if its set up right. that means good tuning, good gears, good suspension, good exhaust, etc.

Also, some of those A/C plugs wrap around themselves and go in circles in teh engine bay. When I was taking mine out of the car I was really surprised to see all the wires just endlessly looping around themselves down in there. There'd be 2 feet of loom to go 6 inches. I think it's to make sure they were able to tuck it out of the way and it look nice from the factory.

 

Yea the rear end does stick out a little, but thats on the bottom of my list of things to worry about, as long as that hold up it will be there for a couple of paychecks.

And what your saying about the A/C plugs is im just going to have to track it down. Do you have an idea where it starts at? Might help me find it a little easier.
Your engine bay looks clean, did you put a false pulley where the A/C compressor use to be?


The washer reservior being gone, ive noticed how bad the coolant tank looks & how much room they take up. So i found a cool thread that shows a way to hid them in small homemade plastic tubing that can be hidden infront of the radiator.

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This is a new issue now:
When accelerating if i hit the trottle then let off... slow down a little then try to get back up to speed it hicups. I really doubt its good for fuel eco. and its pretty annoying. Any ideas?

And when looking for a a/c plug i noticed there was a hose that was cut off on the front of the engine block. pointing toward the radiator. Ill have pictures up tommorow.

 

How would i jet it correctly?

And if i tweek the tps a little (made it idle slightly higher)that should solve the lock up problem? Right?

 

TCC lock up is a new subject I have to bone up on myself. Traded into a new rebuild with all TCI components. Your computer probably isn't firing the lock up for it mine wont't do it right anyway. The TPS hooked up is prob the conversion cable. Adjusting it will change when the TCC lock up signal is sent not effecting idle speed. Keep in mind you still haven't posted any pic's so this is just a guess but you should be able to follow the cable from the TPS right to the 700R4. Note this can cause real problems with your transmission if done wrong. I plan on getting a little help from the re-builder first time around.

The pop is most likely the clearing out raw fuel and no that is not a good fuel mileage indicator but nor is a 750 carb and semi radical cam.

Does it smoke and smell of fuel at start?

The only 750 we ever had was on a 429. One of my boys tried to put it on a 350 and it was never to be tuned right but it was laying there. A 650 would be a better match I think. I all ways preferred the Holley 650 spread bore. With a little time you can lean to tune it sweet with a vacuum gauge and timing light. The small primaries gave reasonable fuel mileage and drive ability, put one of them in my 68 327 when I was 16 and those 750 size secondaries gave the punch. Timing advance has to be right in any case. As with any conversion you have to make changes to the whole system to reap the reward.

 

I'm not sure what you are talking about that would lead from my carb to the transmission. Was looking around and saw nothing that your describing 3rdGenFamily, but I will take pictures tomorrow. (Didnt read this before i took these new ones)


Do you think I would be better off with a 650 then a 750?
And no it doesnt smoke.(Edit: Does smoke when idle jumps upon starting, doesnt happen all the time).well not bad enough for me to see it from the inside of the car. (My old 89 Firebird Formula would make a cloud of white smoke that carried which ever way the wind blew)

IMPORTANT! Upon starting my car though, my car was stuck idling close to 2000... Car practically was driving itself if i took my foot off the brake would cruise at 30-35mph... I sat there for about 10min to try and let it lower but it didnt. Has done this 3 times now, and it worries me when driving it around after this happens.

Also, i found the wires for my a/c and other things pushed back against the firewall..But question is idk which ones go where. In the picture there are 3 connectors, all about the same. They are Black (w blue), Green, and a Off-white. I know one goes to my A/C and the I do believe one goes into the front of my engine block (Also in Picture)

And looked over at my Charcoal canister and there was yet another plug that wasnt pluged into anything, and I looked around the area and saw nothing to stick in into...This picture wasnt that good, but its the blue & red wire that is just sitting ontop of the canister.

 

Ok so im getting paid tommorow! Yay!
Now since ive been driving this around ive noticed the shitty gas mileage it get...
something close to 13mpg...
And that sucks!

I was thinking about removing the carb since i know that will give me better gas mileage.
Also on a $1000 budget for now, what should i purchase for the suspension.
From shocks, struts, springs, etc. Need what ever will be the most bang for my bucks.

For the Carb removal, I have a 350 in my firebird that im getting most parts from that I just need to know what to pull off of to put on the camaro.
Not to familiar with what i need, im just good at taking **** apart and figuring out how it goes on. And the way i see it, anything is better then tuning a carb. unless someone can explain how to do it in good detail for me.