305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
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Car: 1991 Firebird Formula
Engine: 5.7L TPI
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
Introduction
My 1991 Firebird Formula 305 TPI developed a rod knock recently. Rather than rebuild the old 305 which wasn't passing emissions anyway, I figured this would be a good time to do a 350 swap. Now I'm not looking for big power, I'll be happy with stock. A 350 seems to give me more room to grow however, so since the originality of the car was already compromised when I got it, seems like a good plan.
Now this was my daily driver, so I need to get it right the first time when I try and do this swap. I plan on taking the week of November 22nd off to get it done, so I need to get everything together by then.
Onto the main part of this project: planning. I've looked around at various posts but either have not found the answers I'm looking for. So this is sort of my clarification/fill me in on what I'm missing thread.
The Crate Engine
EDIT 3: I ended up buying this engine. I just went with the stock config they have so that I hopefully don't have to do any tuning. https://www.sandjengines.com/rebuilt...icationID=9678
Fuel Delivery
So I know that I will need to buy new injectors for a 350 swap. From what I've read I will need 22 lb/hr injectors.
Questions:
So I know that I will need a new chip in my computer. I do have TunerPro RT but don't have any emulators or prom burners.
Questions:
So here's just some other questions that I came up with.
So this is just sort of a dumping ground for all the questions I have in the hope that I will get them answered by the time I need to do the swap. I'll likely have more as time goes on. I'll try and keep this main post updated with the answers people give me. Also if you have any links to useful resources, I need all the help I can get.
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My 1991 Firebird Formula 305 TPI developed a rod knock recently. Rather than rebuild the old 305 which wasn't passing emissions anyway, I figured this would be a good time to do a 350 swap. Now I'm not looking for big power, I'll be happy with stock. A 350 seems to give me more room to grow however, so since the originality of the car was already compromised when I got it, seems like a good plan.
Now this was my daily driver, so I need to get it right the first time when I try and do this swap. I plan on taking the week of November 22nd off to get it done, so I need to get everything together by then.
Onto the main part of this project: planning. I've looked around at various posts but either have not found the answers I'm looking for. So this is sort of my clarification/fill me in on what I'm missing thread.
The Crate Engine
EDIT 3: I ended up buying this engine. I just went with the stock config they have so that I hopefully don't have to do any tuning. https://www.sandjengines.com/rebuilt...icationID=9678
Fuel Delivery
So I know that I will need to buy new injectors for a 350 swap. From what I've read I will need 22 lb/hr injectors.
Questions:
- Does the fuel pressure regulator need changed at all? I don't know what the pressure on the rail is atm (fuel pump was changed at some point), should I hook up a pressure guage to find out?
- What brand of injectors would be a good one to go for? Cost is also an issue, so as long as they are decent they don't have to be premium quality.
So I know that I will need a new chip in my computer. I do have TunerPro RT but don't have any emulators or prom burners.
Questions:
- Will a stock bin for a 350 TPI work in my case? Or will I need to do a custom tune?
- If I do need to do a custom tune, is it easy to tune myself, or should I bring it to a professional tuner who knows what they're doing?
So here's just some other questions that I came up with.
- I know that I need to get a knock sensor for a 350, but I've seen conflicting information on whether or not I need a new ESC module. Do I need one, and if so, how can I tell the difference between a 305 and 350 module?
- Should I replace the water pump at this time? The car was never overheating and seemed to be moving a good volume of water, so should I just reuse the old one?
- Are there any other things that need replaced other than the injectors, knock sensor, and chip?
So this is just sort of a dumping ground for all the questions I have in the hope that I will get them answered by the time I need to do the swap. I'll likely have more as time goes on. I'll try and keep this main post updated with the answers people give me. Also if you have any links to useful resources, I need all the help I can get.

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The Crate Engine EDIT: People have mentioned getting a rebuilt L98. If someone knows where I can get a quality rebuilt L98 shipped to Colorado for equivalent cost as the crate engine below, then it would be a consideration. I don't have time to do a rebuild of a scrapyard L98 so it has to be rebuilt already. Right now I'm planning on getting the following engine from JEGS (number 10067353): http://www.jegs.com/i/GM+Performance...FcRcMgodfREAqA What I want is to get a new engine that doesn't include all the parts I already have on my old 305 (such as intake/sensors). Questions:
- The page says that it makes a good replacement for 1973-85 vehicles. Does this mean that something changed that will make it incompatible for parts off my 91? Answer: Four of the intake bolt holes are at a different angle in 87+ engines, so the intake would need modified. The valve covers, oil pan, and flywheel/flexplate also do not swap over.
- I've read on other threads that some bolt angles might be different? I can't get it here and then not be able to bolt something up to it. Answer: See answer above.
- Will my stock 305 exhaust manifolds bolt up to this 350 without issue?
Last edited by someone972; Nov 4, 2014 at 05:21 PM.
Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
First, the engine is fine, it will work. It just isn't a roller or center bolt valve covers. You can technically run factory injectors also, yes you need a prom or l98 ecm. Factory knock sensor will work. I would replace the water pump if it's seeping. If not, save your money. It's not like an Lt1 where if you have it out replace it... it's easy to replace.
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Car: 1991 Firebird Formula
Engine: 5.7L TPI
Transmission: 700r4
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Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
If someone knows a good source for a l98 that's equivalent in quality but cheaper than that engine, I'm all ears. I do like the idea that the engine above is a NEW engine, which not to say that rebuilt engines aren't like-new, but it's nice to know.
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Car: 1988 Camaro
Engine: 355, 10.34:1, 249/252 @.050", IK200
Transmission: TH-400, 3500 stall 9.5" converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9", detroit locker, 3.89 gears
Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
That's not a bad engine. It is not a performance engine by any means and the 260 HP number is over inflated.
Thats the common 350 service replacement engine that chevy has had since the 1980's. It was called the "targetmaster" for many years. Only only upgrade to it in the 30 years of it being sold is the rods.
Yes it will work in your car.
Your valve covers, and oil pan will not work on it.
Your intake will need to be modded but will work. In '87 when they went to 1 pc. rear seal, center bolt valve covers they changed the 4 center intake bolt hole angles. It wasnt a big change but it's enough to not let they 2 diff styles seat and seal. The bolts will bind on the holes in intake.
Just use a die grinder, dremel, even a drill bit and elongate the 4 center bolt holes (2 per side) on your intake. You want to make the holes larger up and down, not side to side.
Your stock fuel pressure reg and injectors are fine for that engine.
Thats the common 350 service replacement engine that chevy has had since the 1980's. It was called the "targetmaster" for many years. Only only upgrade to it in the 30 years of it being sold is the rods.
Yes it will work in your car.
Your valve covers, and oil pan will not work on it.
Your intake will need to be modded but will work. In '87 when they went to 1 pc. rear seal, center bolt valve covers they changed the 4 center intake bolt hole angles. It wasnt a big change but it's enough to not let they 2 diff styles seat and seal. The bolts will bind on the holes in intake.
Just use a die grinder, dremel, even a drill bit and elongate the 4 center bolt holes (2 per side) on your intake. You want to make the holes larger up and down, not side to side.
Your stock fuel pressure reg and injectors are fine for that engine.
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Car: 1991 Firebird Formula
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Transmission: 700r4
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Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
Hmm, would it then be better to use something like this if the price is similar? http://www.rebuilt-auto-engines.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=246&p_catid=&sid=1AlF2z1FOJuIC4o-49105279663.98
Also, my current engine probably has a 1-piece rear main seal, so the flywheel I have would be incompatible with the two-piece right? Should I instead get a 87+ engine that has the centerbolt heads and 1-piece rear main? I'm not concerned about 4-bolt main vs 2-bolt main since I will never be pushing crazy hp through the engine. I also like the appearance of originality, even if it's not.
Also, my current engine probably has a 1-piece rear main seal, so the flywheel I have would be incompatible with the two-piece right? Should I instead get a 87+ engine that has the centerbolt heads and 1-piece rear main? I'm not concerned about 4-bolt main vs 2-bolt main since I will never be pushing crazy hp through the engine. I also like the appearance of originality, even if it's not.
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From: Bowdon, GA.
Car: 1988 Camaro
Engine: 355, 10.34:1, 249/252 @.050", IK200
Transmission: TH-400, 3500 stall 9.5" converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9", detroit locker, 3.89 gears
Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
Right, your flywheel/flexplate will not work on the goodwrench engine. Don't get me wrong. I like the targetmaster/goodwrench engine but it's nothing to write home about. Sure you can swap heads and con it and have a pretty good one.
Don't get caught up in the 2 vs 4 bolt main crap. A 2 bolt main will never show any probs for you. In fact I have been running a 2 bolt block in mine for almost 10 years and ran a best of 11.40's @ 118, so no where near stock.
Both engines you linked too will work, the last one might be easier for you to drop in and go without mods or changing parts around.
Don't get caught up in the 2 vs 4 bolt main crap. A 2 bolt main will never show any probs for you. In fact I have been running a 2 bolt block in mine for almost 10 years and ran a best of 11.40's @ 118, so no where near stock.
Both engines you linked too will work, the last one might be easier for you to drop in and go without mods or changing parts around.
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Car: 82 Berlinetta/57 Bel Air
Engine: L92/LQ4 (both w/4" stroke)
Transmission: 4L80E/4L80E
Axle/Gears: 12B-3.73/9"-3.89
Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
Hmm, would it then be better to use something like this if the price is similar? http://www.rebuilt-auto-engines.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=246&p_catid=&sid=1AlF2z1FOJuIC4o-49105279663.98
Also, my current engine probably has a 1-piece rear main seal, so the flywheel I have would be incompatible with the two-piece right? Should I instead get a 87+ engine that has the centerbolt heads and 1-piece rear main? I'm not concerned about 4-bolt main vs 2-bolt main since I will never be pushing crazy hp through the engine. I also like the appearance of originality, even if it's not.
Also, my current engine probably has a 1-piece rear main seal, so the flywheel I have would be incompatible with the two-piece right? Should I instead get a 87+ engine that has the centerbolt heads and 1-piece rear main? I'm not concerned about 4-bolt main vs 2-bolt main since I will never be pushing crazy hp through the engine. I also like the appearance of originality, even if it's not.
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Car: 1991 Firebird Formula
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Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
Based on your feedback I've changed the engine I'm looking at getting to the rebuilt 350. From what I can tell, the place that builds them is S&J Engines, but they have at least 3 websites so it's hard to tell. I've updated the original post with a new question: What cam should I get? Should I stick with stock?
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Re: 305 TPI to Crate 350 Swap
Other: Fuel pump upgrade? (I needed one, when I did this swap.)
Headers might need rubber baffles, not solid metal ones, as custom crank may cause push rods to bang, break and puncture solid baffles. (Happened to me, on both sides of engine. Right part fixed problem, and rolling rollers helped.)
Headers might need rubber baffles, not solid metal ones, as custom crank may cause push rods to bang, break and puncture solid baffles. (Happened to me, on both sides of engine. Right part fixed problem, and rolling rollers helped.)
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