Ok Ya'll are kinda taking me out of the hookers. Seeing that it doesnt cost that much it doesnt come with the Y pipe. I really dont want to deal with a exhaust shop to make some Y pipe from $100-$200. Then on top of that if they make it wrong I dont want to pay for another. By the time I'm done with all that I might of just spent close to if not more than $337.99. + the HOK-2460 didnt say anything about the air injection.

Ever have the money burning a hole in your pocket feeling. I might as well do something good with the cash before its all gone.


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Here are some Eldelbrocks that look nice. Looks like everything fits too. I might just order these today. What do you think? Screw the Hookers get the Edelbrocks?


From www.jegs.com
Part # 350-68721
<img src=http://www.jegs.com/photos/3506872.gif>
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...86&prmenbr=361

From www.summitracing.com
part # EDL-68721
<img src=http://store.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/norm/EDL-68721_m.jpg>
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...rchtype%3Decat

Think they both come chrome plated?

 

This says it only fits TPI and I have TBI. The heads should be different on these two but is there some kinda kit that would help fit the Firbird 305 TBI?

 

OK, here's what I'm going to look for when I buy my headers: 1. As little fabrication as possible to hook everything up. 2. All emissions connections that I choose. 3. Price 4. Good word-of-mouth reputation. Also, I'm waiting till I can afford ceramic coating on mine. Yeah, I do understand money burning a hole in your pocket. I'm probably going to end up with the Hooker #2055s or the Edelbrocks. Just my .02... Brian

 

Those should bolt right on and work, as far as I know. There might be a difference in the exhaust ports, but I don't think it's enough to matter. I've got TBI too, I'm pretty sure we can use those...

 

Thanx for for the reply but everyone else is to late. I ordered the edelbrocks. Not the ones above cause they said TPI only. I went with the TBI ones. Luckly I didnt make some stupid mistake like that. 2 day air it should be here by tuesday or so. To bad on those TPI ones to cause they were chrome plated, the TBI ones were not. Well here are the ones that I'm getting. Damn for that price I had to sit there and look at the continue button for a while. Sitting there looking at my credit card# and this button that would take out $369.00. Damn those are some pricey pipes!


here is the part #
350-6875

 

Cool. You didn't go wrong, as far as I can see - think about it; the worst headers out there, whatever they are, flow better than the poorly designed manifolds on our cars. I like the looks of those Edelbrocks. Let us know how it turns out. :lala: Brian

 

Just a word of advice on those headers, install a starter heat shield when you have the thing out. Also make sure that you don't end up with the collector flanges touching the cross member when you put on the y-pipe. I did that one time and let me tell you, the vibration it caused was almost as bad as when I smoked a u-joint. I've heard that they rust pretty quick, but if you Jet-Hot them..... I know, I know it's more money to spend, but damn do they look good. And you get a lifetime warranty from Jet-Hot. Anyway, I love my Edelbrocks, but the right hand one is gonna **** you off when you try to tighten the bolts.

 

Thats what im using now, the TBI ones, jet hot coated. I welded the AIR tubes shut and took off the heat riser before i sent them out to Jet-Hot.
Here you can see that i removed the heat riser and kinda see the airtube weld. And the reason the plug wires zip tied there was because they couldn't go anywhere else until i could get longer ones.


I bought them used from "Camaroracer1992" and they look brand new now. No discoloring, rusting, anything. It wasn't as expensive as i thought it would be either.

The TPI ones WOULD work on the TBI car. The things that are different are a 3" collector, no heat riser, and the air tubes are different. "91Bird305" used them on his tbi and he just put a 3" catback on with no cat to accomidate for them.

 

Nice! It kinda sux that only the TPI ones were chrome plated. The TBI only came in black. Ehh, at least I'm getting rid of those manifolds. Say anybody know how much those manifolds weight? I'll check when I have them off.

 

The TPI ones would have fit fine.. as long as you were planning on changing the cat and cat back exhaust to 3inches the whole way back.

 

Are you sure? cause I can probably still change the order. They dont ship till monday on a working day. I plan on getting exhaust by friday so that might work. Hmm... the only thing that gets me is that the intake manifold and the heads sure are different on TPI. I just dont know if the headers bold up differently to the heads. I figured I didnt want to be disappointed if they didnt. How sure are you? If you are wrong would you be held responsible? Are you that sure?

 

Well i just ordered my headers for tpi and a 3 inch cat... dont take my word for it do a search you will find alot of people that have done it.. check into the tbi board. I am close to positive..lol you just have to change evrything to 3 inch.

 

Good Idea I'll check the TPI board.

 

Wait a minute.... Those are chrome plated TBI headers? I could only find the black TBI headers.

 

Jet hot coated .... its the sterling 1300 finish.

http://www.jet-hot.com

 

Have fun putting them in. From my experience edelbrock headers are decent, but the design on the passenger side is terrible, and the y-pipe is just a pure piece of ****. I also hate how the flange on the passenger side requires you to drop the a-arm to tighten. Terrible design.

 

I love working on my car. I'll have loads of fun ($#& *$*$ &#*$!!!!!!!

 

Yah, I was out working on tightening up my edelbrock header today. Drivers side wasn't too bad, but I scracthed the hell out of my arm getting to the back bolts on the passenger side. Unfortunately they were really loose, and as a result I think they blew the gasket, cause they still sound like they're leaking

 

If you ordered the TBI ones, you really screwed up. Small at the cat to match up to the small TBI cat. For a couple of years, that I've seen at least, people have been saying, "Get the TPI version and a 3" cat."

Actually, I can't believe this post even exists. Edelbrock TES were the first ones on the market for our cars in emissions-legal form and with y-pipe. SLP, Hooker, et al, followed later. Did you think you were on to something new?

Also can't believe you'd choose Edelbrock over the 2055 Hookers. For another $20-$30, you'd have headers with all the features you extol above (including y-pipe and emissions fittings), with better performance characteristics, and that fit.

Oh, well...

EDIT: I actually told you about the other Hookers in your post about the $141.95, 2460 Hookers. There's another post ("TES owners, step inside" or something like that), that has several people responding about why TES aren't a good choice. I just don't understand it.

 

This is the exact type of responses that do no good except to p*ss people off. If you've read this post, you would notice that he already ordered them. I also am waiting for the set I ordered. How would you feel if you you just dropped 300 plus dollars on a part - just to get a wise *ss opinion like this??

I've been with this board since 99, and I can't seem to bump up my post count to 5,000 plus. It seems to me you spend more time writing about cars then actually working on them. I've read more smart*ss remarks from you than any other person on this board. Go away.

 

Well I got the headers yesterday. They came in late so I wasnt able to finish them last night. Well Everthing it in alright. It was just a matter of having the right tools for the Job. This canot be done with out the right wrench. There were only two bolts that were a pita. The two rear bolts on the passenger side. The one that was attached to the dipstick was fun. Well to make a long story short it was rusted bad and overtightened in the first place. So i need a new dipstick. Right now the headers are the only thing done. Last night I didnt want to start it up just yet cause I have plans for today. If you ever wanted to hear a 305 running nothing but headers I'm going to record that on my mini disk and post it here. Hehe good ideas! My apartments managers and neighbors love me.

 

I have my y-pipe dropped right now while i am welding in SFC's. I love the sound, its so fun making the neighboors angry

 

True. I spend my lunch hour on this board, and when I get home, the other 5 people in the house typically have something to take up my time (and the one income that I bring into the household as well). I've been spending time at Bandimere Friday evenings and Saturday this summer, which also keeps me out of the garage. However, in the preceeding 33 years, I've accumulated a good bit of wrench time, and still spend some quality time in the garage when I can. This summer has involved more time with the Bonneville than the Camaro or '57, but it's still garage time.

This post started out talking like these headers were some great new find, while it doesn't take too much of a search of recent posts to learn what all is available, or that TBI and LG4 systems are to be avoided if performance is the objective. He also said he was considering changing the order. Things can also be returned and exchanged - before they're installed, anyway.

Have I spent money that I later learned wasn't the right way to go? Absolutely. A couple of times the lesson was learned from this board, in fact, and I appreciated the information. I know the feeling, and am more than glad to help others avoid it. That is my intent, not to p*ss someone off. I waited awhile before responding to this post, but when it became obvious that the information relayed in the other post had been completely ignored, I went ahead and replied. If red doesn't gain anything from it, perhaps others will.

Sorry if you're having difficulty getting your post count up. I was reading this board for about 6 months before I finally registered and started posting.

Oh, to correct a mis-statement made by red earlier: The heads and intake are indeed different between TBI and TPI engines, but the way the exhaust bolts up to them is exactly the same. The headers themselves aren't different, it's only the y-pipe that changes between a system spec'd for TPI vs. TBI.

 

Ok I tried to ignore you as much as I could but you just keep replying making an @$$ of you self. First of all where in this post did I talk about some great new find¿ My car is an 89 and I'm sure somewhere before then and now someone made some kinda headers to put on them. All of you <font color=blue>post police</font> can find anything else to reply about except for "Why did you post this here instead of searching" WHY¿ Because I like talking to the people on this board is why. If I wanted to search all day I wouldn’t have joined the boards. I would have just kept to www.google.com for my answers.

If you notice at the top of the this thread was started on me asking for help on getting the Hookers or the Edelbrocks. Which one would fit right, did anybody else here try to install them, how did it go, will I run in to any issues, what is you opinion on which is better, what’s the difference between the TBI headers and the TPI headers. Now if you can find all of that in one search that’s great for you. You say your how old¿ You have nothing better to do that to prey on my post and wait for the appropriate time to jump and flame up the thread. :nono: Look Man I'm just asking for peoples opinion on headers. As far as your thoughts about <i><font color=blue>" Why dont they just search? Who the he|| does this guy think he is saying he has some kinda new find?</i></font>

You know what you can just bottle up all your and keep your

 

It's obvious that the Edelbrocks are OK. They've gotta be better than stock logs. If you aren't looking to make a +350HP motor, then they should work out pretty well.

If your plans are to build up more HP than that later on, then you should consider looking into another brand. That's all five7kid is trying to say.

The only other reason he posted (from what I can tell) is that you said that you were considering changing the order. Well if you were considering changing it, then it seems to me that you were questioning whether or not you made the right choice, right? And I have done the same thing as well. You (people in general) always question things you've bought because someone else told you to. You just sit and wait, hoping that they're right. Especially since you've never actually met these people. That's just makes you worry more.
Another fact is that you waited LESS THAN 2 hrs. for a reply to this thread before you ordered them. You can't really expect a large amount of replies in that amount of time. You got too anxious to wait, and ordered them, right?

Just chill everybody. I've read a lot of five7kid's posts, and he does know a lot. He's a little opinionated about what he knows, and he knows that to. But so am I. He's learned from experience (which a lot of us have) and is just trying to help, THAT'S ALL!!!

Just enjoy your new headers. And let us know what the SOTP meter registers. OK?

AJ

BTW, I'm old to. 30 yrs. old buddy. OH NO!!! I've only got about 60 yrs. left!!!!

 

Anyway....here is the latest on the headers.

They have some stupid Factory paint on them that says that its soppossed to protect them from scratchs from the Factory. But this **** burns off when you run the engine. So they smoke like hell for a while. But there is a difference in sound and improved HP it seems. I had to put the Cat back on because the muffler shop will not install my exhaust today with out the Cat on. Hmm... one of those by the book guys. Oh well, I'm Getting the Vortex mufflers on today. Here is the before sound clip. I Dont have a clip of what it sounded like with the exhaust manifolds on it but this is what it sounds like with the headers.

>BTW I'll try and put the mic back further next time.
>Around 5 or so I'll get the clip of the vortex

<a href=http://www.metalcorex.com/sounds/Headers,%20Cat%20and%20stock%20exhaust.wav>exhaust</a>