Workhorse

this is a white 1983 convert 2 seater
i believe was done by ASC anyone know anything about it??
below is a pic
when the top is down it looks like a "batmobile"(scoops to the back of head rest)

cdartz

If forget the name of the company that did that style, but for sure it's not ASC. It might be Autoform.

RB83L69

Yup, the one with the 2 headrest bulges is AutoForm.

I don't think "rare" is much of an isue here. Wrong question to ask. Remember, this is a Camaro, not a Firebird.

They had grossly inadequate chassis bracing. (like, none, beyond the factory T-top setup....) I recall them coming into the RHS shop at the time they were new, when my late little bro was working there (82-85 or so).

There must have been some hundreds of them built, maybe over 1000.

If you want a convertible, buy it. Be warned that since it's not factory, parts can be rather hard to obtain. Don't buy it because it's "rare" or not.

Workhorse

already own the car
So it is AutoForm and not ASC?
and on that chassis is that where Mclaren came into play??
if u are not calling it "rare" have u seen one?? I have posted in many forms and everyone is suprised because they have not seen one if u have can u post pictures??
Thanks for all your help

RB83L69

I have seen many of them. They are not rare at all... or at least weren't when they were new, although they have not withstood the test of time very well. I don't feel somehow obligated to post pics to prove to you that I am familiar with them.

McLaren didn't come in to play on that chassis. He stayed outside, and played on some other chassis. There is no "McLaren" connection that I know of with AutoForm.

It's an aftermarket body conversion. Think of it as being just like a body kit or a van customization. Even if it was the only one in existence (which it most assuredly is not), it carries no special "rare" aura with it.

What is the significance of "rare"? That is, what would you do differently if it was "rare", compared to what you would do if it was not? What are you really asking here?

IROCZTWENTYGR8

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Is it rare? Sure. There weren't many of them made. They still qualify as rare no matter if they are Camaros or Firebirds. (less Firebirds than Camaros always though) There's lots of "rare" Third Gens that people don't really think about, especially in mint condition. Alot of them will get rare as the years go on by default.

TechSmurf

In my time on this great earth, I have seen no less than 5 different 1989 TTAs... however, I have only seen *one* of those. I think that qualifies as rare.

okfoz

THe one I remember had a hard top that folded back in the storage compartment, I also remember it having sub frame connectors, Very much like the ones I have from SSM.

John

Abubaca

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I'd say that by the literal definition of "rare", that car would have to qualify. That being said, I've seen several over the years. But when you consider that we all see thirdgen EVERYDAY, then yes, it's rare to see one.

But It doesn't mean it's worth anything "extra". Although they were not great engineering marvels, they are nice looking.

Here's a SWEET 86!!!!!

Abubaca

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Now an IROC converted by Autoform, THAT is rare.

Here's a sweet 84 too.

Workhorse

im not trying to say "rare" meaning more money
i meant do you see them and im sorry for the miss understanding and thanks for those pics of the 84 it confirms that it was done by Autoform and the 83 looks alot like that with the top down
When it gets warmer i will be sure to get it outside all polished up and the top down and get some picture of that
Hopefully i can get to go to one of the 3rd gen "conventions" to see more caramos that look awesome

RB83L69

They've definitely thinned out in the last 20 years. You don't see them any more as much as you used to.

I rather suspect that if any of the conversion-specific parts gets damaged, in a wreck or something for example, the car is toast. Which may be why they're aren't as many as there used to be.

Workhorse

No damage to the conversion parts just some minor dings in the fiberglass trunk part but when it warms up that will be rather to easy to fix
so any one have a guess how many 83 Z28 were converted?? a guess is all i am lookign for

okfoz

Is it me or are the last two not original T-top cars...

The band across the top looks too wide in the middle, more like a C&C conversion than the GM T-top.

John

Abubaca

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On the 86, I suppose it's possible. I've got some other pics and it doesn't look that wide. I think it's just the angle. ...but who knows.

On the 84, same thing. My other pics don't seem to show it looking that wide. But again who knows. Did C&C do T-tops in 84?

...I don't know either car real well so anything is possible, but I learned a while back that if you have to stare and look at the front of the windshield and you're not sure, it's not a C&C. They are pretty obvious as soon as you look.

okfoz

I think C&C did tops from 82-92, as a dealer option.

John

RArnold

Where is/was C&C located ?????? did they badge their cars in any way??

okfoz

I think C&C sold a kit, and there were places that would install the "kit"

I imagine C&C was larger than this, but they had a place down near Brighton, Howell, area in IM where they maintained several Show car Cadallacs, and they had the Pontiac Banchee, (and you thought Pontiac made it).

If your ever in Michigan, and you are on US23, take I-96 East, in a few miles you will see a white water tower that has "Delphi" on it. That water tower used to say, along with other things over the years, "C&C". I believe that was the C&C headquarters, but I may be mistaken.

JOhn

aaron7

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The non-ASC verts come up on ebay every now and then, and usually bring a decent amount of change. Like what was said above, there wasn't any extra chassis bracing, so I would think the car wouldn't have been very strong!

DTL504

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I totally disagree with the bracing of these 84 convertibles.
They have 4pc subframe connectors and a stiff center brace that will prevent flexing.
Take a look at these photo to see how the fram was strengthen during the conversion.
http://www.firebirdgallery.com/Site%...ges/AFBPG2.jpg

Here is my 84 Z28 Convertible:

DTL504

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Must show the trunk lid: no picture

DTL504

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