The way I see it there have been a lot of these posts floating around on here and I can understand the way everyone feels, sure GM is killing its only purebred sports car platform, but look at it this way. If you were a GM big shot would you care what a few thousand gear heads said. NO! The only thing you would care about is Gross profit, and currently fast cars are not the big money makers right now. Due to the big boom of SUV & Truck sales the market has fallen out on all other lines more so on the performance side. The plant that makes the F-body is old and costly making it an even better target for elimination.
As for History repeating it self it will, but this time its not a gas shortage(even though it might feel like it at the pump recently)its the consumers them selves that are killing the F-Body.
You could fill a thousand pages with signatures saying "save the Camaro" and GM would just turn a deaf ear. This is not the way. This only way Is if you got HALF those people who singed that paper to
BUY A CAMARO
this is the only way that GM will listen to the people through there wallets.
I mean look at the way this works right now the Public is a bunch of sheep they all think these big tall things are safer so they load um up with kids, fill the 65 gallon fuel tank(a GM truck is being released this year with a 100 gal tank )and drive to Burger King and back. GM doesn't mind there cheap to build, can have 60 some odd different models by changing a bumper and are REALLY selling well right now. You know that the gas company's don't mind having more of those gas guzzling beasts with there massive fuel compactly around.

Now to close I just want to say that I am not flaming ANYONE I just felt that all this talk was just spinning the tires (just like the rustangs makes a lot of noise but doesn't go anywhere) and It is clogging up the board
unless you have the cash to do something all the petition in the world wouldn't change a thing
I love the F-body and am sorry to see it go but from what I have head GM isn't killing it just putting it aside for a bit. When the SUV thing,AND all the other factors have blown over I believe GM will re-release the Camaro in new form Much like the phoenix that arose from its own ashes. And the Camaro will be better then ever before.


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Ya sure it is just an RS

B4Cyaa

1991 RS B4C
Former Nebraska Highway Patrol Car 1 of 3
305 TPI
WC T-5
Four Wheel Disk Brakes
Only Options
Rear Defrost
Am-Fm Radio
Red-int White-exe
One BA Of A 350 In The Works
Mods
Dynomax Cat Back (to hold me over till I got the $$$ for the Borla)
best 1/4mile Run of 14.92@94.83
with 145,000 on her

[This message has been edited by 91B4C jacob (edited February 09, 2001).]

 

GM is known for falling asleep while the other manufacturers move forward. The whole deal with Save the Camaro or Save the F-body is to let GM execs know that they need to think performance. They came in slow with pickups and the 4th door and lost alot of market share to others. The performance car market is slowly starting to increase again. If GM execs decide to kill off a performance car, the other manufacturers will again get the market foothold while GM tries to play "Catch-up"

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87 IROC 350 TPI with less than 10k original miles
www.users.uswest.net/~smoyer/iroc.htm

 

Amen :-)

 

Let them kill that currently archaic beast of a car. The thing sucks. I'd rather buy a new Mustang than buy the new F-body.

GM had better get in gear and produce some good cars, not this ugly, boxy, crap that litters car shows and other venues.

Fire whoever is in charge of design (primarily Pontiac's) and hire Chrysler's former president and build some real cars. We need action, not excuses...

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1989 Camaro Convertible
dark silver w/black top
305tbi, auto, all stock
posi
Check out Phil's Rice Boy Page

 

I think that it was in the newest issue of GMHTP that there was an interview with one of the main guys in charge of the Camaro/Firebird line. Everyone should check out what he has to say. GM doesn't seem to be worried how many Mustangs Ford sells. What they care about right now is that they are paying workers in Canada to sit at home because they don't have work for them.

From what this guy says, GM would like to change plants to a smaller one, or lower their anticipated sales so that they do not have as many workers getting paid for nothing.

Secondly, GM is more worried about performance than absolute numbers. They don't seem to want to compete with the Mustang for numbers, but would rather produce a very fast, agile, great bang for the buck road rocket. They know that 200,000 people a year will not buy that. They are trying to target hardcore driving/racing fans, not the average grocery getter or soccer mom.

I am not trying to flame anyone here, but just stating some of the things the way that GM product managers see them. I highly encourage everyone to pick up that issue and read his interview, because the way he talks, the Camaro/Firebird are not going to disappear forever. In fact, he made the comment that GM has not made any formal annoucement that they plan to discontinue it yet. Just something to think about.

Matt

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88 IROC-Z -- 350 L-98, 700R4, Flowmaster, K&N, MAF Sceens Gone, Airfoil, March Pullies, Comp Cams Magnum 1.6 Roller Rockers, Accel U-Groove Plugs, Accel 8.8 mm Wires, Hypertech Cap & Coil, Hypertech Chip, Hotchkis Strut Tower Brace, One Loud Stereo!

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Personally I think the new SS's and ram air T/A's look sick and if i had that kind of $$ I would definetely own one (along with the ROC), but I don't.

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90 IROC 5.7l (L98)
ram air, K's, air foil,Flows

LIKE A ROC

 

If u see it its basically half of GM's fault and the consumer's. The camaro ss is one hell of a car. Great price for the performance and dependability. On the other hand all women r interested in guys with BMW mercedes and all that import junk. So that dosent help. Every guy needs a expensive car to get a girl (admitt it happened to u) and any of GM's car doesent impress any females and they turn to imports. GM needs to understand and get rid of all the anoying stuff like the catalytic coverter housing. Soft suspension and do something exiting with the body.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods msd 8.5 mm wires hypertech coil and plug, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 ich force II flowmaster exhaust system.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

 

the problem is that the new f-bod is too much like what we drive now. I've been in them, yeah the seats are better, the car is sleek, and etc., but it feels like a reskinned version of a 3rd gen. basically working on a formula that dates back to 1982. 1982!!!! I was born in '82 for god sakes. Yeah it was the $hit then, but ALOT has changed since '82. from '83 to '92 they basically stretched the life of the car, improving it alot, but to a woman (my g/f for example) she can't tell a difference between a '82 and a '92. to a average buyer, it's not that cool. a 3rd gen is cooler than a 4th. it's mainly looks. ok i'm done rambling and not making any sense.

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• 1988 Camaro Sport Coupe
• 2.8 V6
• TCI 3200 Stall TC
• B&M Transkit
• 2.5" 80 Series Flowmaster & Catback
• No Kitty
• '83 Z/28 Hood
• '87 IROC Wheels
• '92 Z/28 Bowtie Grille
• IROC Gauges
• IROC Taillights
• IROC Foglamps

 

Well I would like to see the F-body live on, but it doesn't look good. To add a few points to those already stated, GM is not killing their "only purebred sports car". That would be the Corvette. The F-body is not a sports car, it's a pony car. The fourth gens are a definate improvement over the thirdgens in the interior/power department, but the handling is the same or worse. In closing I will state that the only thing anyone can do to try to change their mind is to go out and buy a brand new F-body while they are still being built, and then not beat GM to death with racing related warranty claims.

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87 Formula 350 13.94@96.67
98 Z28 1LE 13.15@107.59
1LE Owners Association

 

If Gm does kill the Fbody. (God forbid) wouldn't that make thevalue of our cars increase? They definetly shouldn't kill the camaro, but if they did, this is the only advantage I could see.

 

Well said 98_1LE I wrote that at about 3.am and when I woke up I slaped my self for that purebread sports car line duh "vette". But I still feel that you got the drift of what Im saying "YOU ALONE HOLD THE FATE OF THE CAMARO" if they sold more they would keep makeing them.

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Ya sure it is just an RS

B4Cyaa

1991 RS B4C
Former Nebraska Highway Patrol Car 1 of 3
305 TPI
WC T-5
Four Wheel Disk Brakes
Only Options
Rear Defrost
Am-Fm Radio
Red-int White-exe
One BA Of A 350 In The Works
Mods
Dynomax Cat Back (to hold me over till I got the $$$ for the Borla)
best 1/4mile Run of 14.92@94.83
with 145,000 on her

 

Supposedly GM is killing the F-body for 2 years and then re-introducing it on a new platform. I don't know if they're still designing it, but they were designing a "sigma" platform for re-introduced camaros and firebirds.

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82 Camaro:
350, Erson cam, ported heads, Crane Hi-6 ignition, Accel supercoil, Comp Cams 1.6:1 rocker arms, Turbo 350 tranny with 2500 stall.