I will post some pics in the near future

 

Here are a couple of pics, not very good, but difficult this time of year. When I bought the car, it had Bilstein shocks at all 4 corners. Would those have been installed at the factory? Is there a third gen camaro version of a Marti Report? Thanks

 

I'm a new member and an "old guy" so bear with me please! I have an '88 formula with 29,000 original miles on it. Bought it from original owner last fall. From what I have read there were only 1,222 with my configuration of lo3 and g80 limited slip. My feeling is out of 13,475 or so built mine is in the semi rare category. Have no pics to show as I am in Florida till end of April. Any comments or suggestions are certainly welcome! Thanks, Gary.

 

Welcome to the boards...

There was 13,480 1988 Formulas, of those 6427 got the G80 limited slip, The L98 (2613) and the LB9 (2592) got the limited slip standard equipment, therefore G80 was only optional on the L03, which leaves us with 1,222 1988 L03's on the Formula getting the limited slip. Actually 732 Base firebirds also got the limited slip with the G80 as well with the L03... In 1987, you could have gotten the G80 on the LG4 (which the L03 replaced in 88) as well, but I do not have those numbers. In 1989 the G80 on anything except the LB9 & L98 were gone. Interestingly there was 1 Firebird and 1 Formula with the G80 and L03 in 1989 as well...

In the end, is it unusual? yes... In the grand scheme of things it is a neat option, but it comes down to the idea of how desirable it is. You have to ask how many people go on a mission to seek out a 1988 L03 with a G80, just so they can say they have it? Probably not many. Most owners probably are none-the-wiser about it as well...

John

 

That is a perfect summary John.....I agree!

 

I can't imagine confirmed numbers are available but I know someone who has an 87 GTA that is totally bare bones. 5 speed LB9 with a bunch of SLP upgrades from new, but no power window's, locks, or mirrors. I was always under the assumption that power windows especially, were never optional on a GTA. Can anyone confirm?

 

Thank you for the updated info! Not trying to make it worth more or anything like that. I will never part with it anyway. Just thought it would be a nice number to include on a car show display board. Instead of "1 of 13,480" I can actually say it is "one of 1,222"! Just sounds better, agree?

 

True... Like I said it is a neat option and more or less a one year thing with the engine/trans.. Now, if it had a Manual Transmission that would make it all the more rare...

 

In 1987 the GTA was more or less just an Option for the Trans Am, therefore you could get a bare bones GTA. Starting in 1988 however this changed and they were all Loaded out as the GTA was then considered to be it's own model.

There are a few 87 GTA's out there like that, this is not the first I have heard of that was bare bones... I looked at a Black one 20 years ago.

Unfortunately the detailed data like I have for 86, 88-92 is missing for 87

 

Kinda neat. Though I'd prefer having it totally loaded. I may be misunderstanding but are you saying you can't get a post 88 or 89 GTA with an LB9 and automatic? I think that may be incorrect

 

I was thinking of something else, I will change that so not to confuse future readers

 

This is so true! Another good example: According to Compnine, there were only (257) 90 Formulas produced with the drivetrain/color/t-top combo that mine has. While that might be a rare number, I do not and have not ever seen internet posts/classifieds actively seeking out this exact combo like you do for TTAs, Firehawks, etc... I did find an identical twin to mine in rough faded shape for sale in GA a few weeks back. I think the Formula is a desirable car more so than a base Firebird, but I'm not convinced they are as valuable/desirable as say an IROC-Z or GTA.

 

Picture of the 73 RPO'S. Just how rare is my ride?

Desirable? I know "I" like driving it and I would assume with the 220HP MM5 LB9 that others would too but can't find any exact numbers.

Lowest RPO production is the DX3 delete at 1895.
15,864 were produced in 40U but how many were MM5 LB9 DX3 G80 w/6HB and 6AR seats?

Any help would be appreciated guys.....

2 dr hatchback, hardtop.

 

Well I'm not going to be any help on production numbers for '88, but your car is definitely desirable. You and I actually have pretty similar cars. I also have a white LB9, MM5, DX3 IROC-Z....but mines a 1990 G92, 3.42 geared car with the N10 dual cats and 230hp. 1 of 295, but of those I dont know how many are DX3, etc. Where ya located in Minnesota? And welcome to TGO!

 

St. Cloud area.
When I saw that it had 73 RPO'S I thought it was a highly optioned Z?
I was a tad bummed when I found out it was only a G80 (3.08 POSI) without the J65 and upgraded cam.
BUT, that being said, I have beat the auto trans Z's I've went up against.....
Trying to find the closest Dyno to st. Cloud......

 

Don’t line up against any Z’s newer than 92, or you probably won’t like the outcome. Our Thirdgen’s seem fast until you drive a Fourth, Fifth, etc.

 

Your car has the big cam.

 

I think you can tell another way by the tach??

Small cam = 5,000 rpm redline

Big cam = 5,500 rpm redline

Please correct me if I'm wrong

 

It is a bit more complicated than that, but this is a general rule of thumb. I have not done as much extensive research on the Camaros as I did for Firebirds, but here is a chart for Firebirds http://3rdgenformula.com/allyears/Speedotachcombos.htm

 

Out of the 6360 1982 pace cars built, how many were 4 speed? I have read 363 with less than 100 being full hardtop, but can not confirm this. Is this car rare?

 

I would think You would be better served by making a new post, instead of in this thread...

Someone might know...

John

 

My 86 Z28 with the LG4 carbureted out ran ever 5.0 mustang i came up against. Evey time. dont know why it was so quick but it was. Nothing special about the car that I know of just one fast little bugger thats for sure for the day.

 

There is the off chance that the car got the wrong cam from the factory. I know this happens on occasion, and they never catch it... This would be better served as it's own thread not attached to this one.

 

I noticed in your list that there were no 1982 TA listed and no TA Recaros listed but this is known to be a limited production run car. I have one I have owned since new and ordered it with a 4 speed and it came with a carburetor. Since you don't address 82 model year and no Recaros, do you have any info on rarity of a 4 speed 1982 Recaro?

 

Probably because I did not or do not have access to the data... According to my one source there was 2000 Recaros in 1982,

I added the production numbers for 82, 83, 84 & 86 Recaors... Learned there was some S/E's with the Recaro Seats in 1986 (10 of them) and a 96 Base (1986) Firebirds with the Recaro Seating... I do not have the data for 82-85 and the S/E and Base Firebirds to see if they came with the seats.

 

First post, long time reader. I had my new roller dropped off last night. 85’ IROC-Z. I started looking up codes and realized it’s an L69 5 spd and also has the GT4 3:73 rear end. My intentions were to strip it down and make it a drag car. However, it’s actually in surprisingly good shape and I’m almost considering restoring it rather than stripping it. Being that I got it as a roller this will never be a numbers matching car. I’m sure that takes most of the value out from hardcore enthusiasts. So I guess I’m not asking what it’s worth, but is it worth a restoration? I’d hate to take a somewhat rare camaro off the streets if it can be preserved and have some value. What do you guys think?

 

It's an Iroc. That alone is bait for fools with too much money. With all the base model cars out there, I can't see turning an Iroc into a drag car. Someone would probably pay way more than it's worth just because it's an Iroc. I wouldn't waste money restoring it hoping to cash in. I'd dump it the way it is, or put money into it to make it a car you'd enjoy.

 

Couldn't find 1988 irocz lb9/mm5/g92 hard top on the list

 

Do you have an actual number of those produced?

If hard numbers cannot be found I cannot break them down as such... The best you could do is the number of LB9/MM5/G92, but the white book does not break out the numbers like that. And the data is lost to time... You would need to find the number of Camaros with MK6, and that would get you the number of Camaros with the LB9/MM5(MK6)/G92. Keep in mind cars with the M39 transmission would not have the G92. However you could not figure the number of cars with CC1 and without CC1.

John

 

Thank you for all the production numbers and information. So if I am reading this correctly, there were 613 of my car, which is a 1989 5.7L Trans Am. I was able to get the vehicle invoice from The Pontiac Historical Society, but not the window sticker. I would love to get a reporduction window sticker as well as an idea on how many of my car were made, and answer some strange things about it.

I have taken it some local Chicago area car shows and sometimes Firebird enthusiasts ask me if the wheels are stock (they are), if it came with 2 cats from factory (it did), and why is there a "Performance Suspension" logo on the glove box when the vehicle invoice does not say WS6 on the invoice. Anyway, while I have had the car since 1992, I just joined this site and now that I am older, I am more interested in the car's history and details. Thank you for any imput that anyone can provide.

Robert

 

Do you have the SPID on the inside wall of the center console showing the RPO options?

Those wheels look like they are white. It would not have been correct for 1989 or your exterior trim color.

Performance Suspension badge on the dash does not mean WS6. WS6 was optional on the Trans Am. The center caps on your wheels are also incorrect.

None of this is meant as a negative opinion on your car, but there are some things that do not appear to be correct.

 

In 1989: There was a total of
1,073 (98U) Blue Trans Ams in 1989, 98U Blue was a Trans Am ONLY color for 1989
613 (L98) 350 Trans Ams
WS6 was an option on the Trans Am, Both the Y99 Suspension and WS6 Suspension got the "Performance Suspension" Badge on the Dash
Yes Silver PW7 Wheels in 1989/1990 was a thing,

All of those I am not sure, but I believe they had the silver ground effects. The reason I think this is Trans Ams 85-90 got WW? Colors to denote the Ground effects color.
Trans Am Totals for Ground effects:
Total 1989 Trans Ams: 5727
WW1 = White: 1157
WW2 = Silver: 2309
WW3 = Charcoal: 0 (GTA Only)
WW4 = Black: 1226
WW6 = Brilliant Red Met: 0 (GTA Only)
WW8 = Bright Red: 1035

 

Hi guys, new to the forum. Just bought my second Camaro (first was a red 2017 turbo/6-spd car). This one is a black 1988 IROC-Z. I see from the OP that "I did not include all of the LB9/M5 cars BECAUSE the information is NOT AVAILABLE." So, I am guessing, since I didn't see it, that my car falls in this bucket. But, just in case anyone has some info, here's what I have...




Car is a factory decal delete car, which probably adds to the rarity. But, somewhere along the lines, one of the previous owners (I am the 4th owner) added the "IROC Z" decals, but not the stripes.

Anyway, appreciate any 411 you might have.

 

I wish we had the number of (1989) Formula 350 W/CC1
guess its not rare..

 

I can't remember if it was 44xx total 350 formulas or just the ttop cars. (can't remember if its in my book or not)
Either way, 89 was a big year for pontiac f-car with ttop/350 combo.

 

here is one if anyone is looking for that combo
https://www.gatewayclassiccars.com/n...bmodel=Formula

 

Today's updates
I added the Canadian 1987 GTA 350 cars with T-tops. With and without DD9 mirrors, and added the 1987 Trans Am with 350 and T-tops.

Enjoy

 

You might need a Dealer's license John, if you add any more to that collection. Hope all is well with you.

 

And that is not all of them. It does not include an 83 Trans Am, and 83 Camaro which I have been using for parts. Nor does it include my wife's 2018 Ford Edge Sport, my son's 2020 Honda Civic Si, or my 2021 Expedition Limited.... Thank goodness for Collector car insurance, and a 40x60 barn.