scottmoyer

In the past, some have enjoyed picking apart some ebay auctions. I found a good one that has a few things worth noting. Read the description and look at the pictures. How many things can you find wrong?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Very-...item414af08371

sleepsinshed

iTrader: (10)

Wow, I suck at this. Car looks great to me, but I'm still a newbie with these cars.

C-Titan

iTrader: (2)

Wow, another one of e-bays finest... Gotta love someone who can't read a 6 digit mileage counter right... I suppose they figured the car travelled back in time and removed 20k from the odometer... Seems more logical then say someone putting 80k on the clock from driving it for 13 years...
Judging by the vehicle report it seems this cars been an auction baby all it's life...

I lol'd at the two different fog lights and the one brand new turn signal...

paulo57509

i'm no expert, but here's my list:

1. It's not an IROC.

2. Not a highly optioned car - manual mirrors.

3. Looks like 15" wheels.

4. Incorrect lug nuts.

5. The interior colors look funky.....like the carpet and carpeted panels don't match.

6. Incorrect engine (if it IS an IROC).

7. Mis-matched fog lights

8. Incorrect antenna.

9. Rear hatch fit is horrible.

10. Gear shift **** is on backwards.

subroc

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I may be wrong but wernt those seats last used in 86? I thought they went to a slightly different style like the leathers you have scott but in cloth? Could be wrong. Those foglights stick out like a sore thumb!

JT

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It also has a Firebird steering wheel.

blacksunshine'91

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I'm diggin' the copious amounts of overspray on the alarm horn in the upper right side of the engine bay pic. Screams quality Maaco paint job to me. Oh, and the vintage 80's heart shaped key chain. Quality in action!

SMOKIN Z

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drivers seat belt is black.

Drew

iTrader: (58)

It's a prime example of what happens when someone tries to "restore" a thirdgen with good used junkyard parts. It'd be ok if they'd paid attention to the details, but this car is almost too far gone to be viable. Obviously a true 30k mile car isn't going to have a vinyl Firebird steering wheel, plain plastic auto shifter, incorrect lug nuts, mismatched centercaps, corny chrome tail pipes, a missing air intake snorkle/scoop, and it probably wouldn't have been rekeyed. It's pretty obvious it's 140,000 miles before even looking at the free history report and seeing it's rolled over or been tampered with. It could be someone installed a different cluster, it wouldn't be out of the question with the rest of the mismatched crap.

I'd expect a true 30k mile car to still have most of it's original equipment. This one has almost none of it. The seats might be correct but the covers aren't. The weatherstripping on the ttops didn't have the plastic edge in 87, they should still be rubber.

Anyway, someone tried really hard, but that thing is a pathetic piece of ****.

92RS(real slow)

well everything everyone else has stated the only new thing I can think of is aren't those firebird armrests?

92RS(real slow)

I really like this game we should start a weekly whats wrong with this ebay auction

scottmoyer

Here's just a few items I noticed. There could be more so keep looking. Also, the seller doesn't claim this to be all original (except the interior). The car looks like a good starting point as none of these are major issues, but it's fun to pick it apart.

1. Seat belt receivers are black
2. Seats and door panels are from an 86, not an 87
3. The steering wheel is incorrect and the horn button is probably glued on
4. The rim center caps are incorrect
5. Lugnuts should be black, not chrome
6. Antenna
7. Obviously the mileage
8. Shifter **** is on backwards
9. fog lights (??)
10. Are the drivers' side headlights really that mis aimed? Look at the one overhead pic near the bottom.
11. Back seat should be a split seat based on the lock stud on the drivers side
12. Lots of overspray on the hood struts. can be seen on the bottom pictures
13. The video shows the temp gauge is broken and the oil pressure is pegged
14. The rear hatch isn't aligned with bump stops
15. the hood pad is installed incorrectly

scottmoyer

The arm rests are correct for this car.

Convoy25

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i think i'm wrong but i'm not sure if they had cd players in 87

** i read the description before looking at the pictures.

and idk if its my eyes or the picture- but the strut brace over the a/c starts out red on the fender then goes black.

and for a babied car, that coolant tank looks awfully dirty

da.slyboy

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Wow you guys are amazing. I managed to catch such things as the turn signals, fog lights, and overspray, but things like the shifter **** is real attention to detail. I had to go back and really look to see that. I enjoy this, but remind me never to sell my Camaro on Ebay with you guys around

xcalibur

GM had a recall on seatbelts, and ran out of grey for a while. All the replacement belts were black. But I'll leave it to you experts. I think it was prior to 1989, since my Formula wasn't covered. They installed a metal "throat" inside my originals, instead. But I remember a buddy of mine being torqued because they replaced his grey with black seatbelts for the recall on his older Z28.

Thirdgen Ranch

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Here's some things I noticed that haven't already been mentioned.

1) Wrong cigarette lighter
2) Missing seatbelt guides for the headrests
3) The trim piece behind the driver's inner door handle is missing
4) The car looks to have a carpeted passenger side kick panel but a non-carpeted driver's side piece.

Also, the steering wheel center cap probably isn't glued on as stated earlier. A Camaro center section will fit a Firebird wheel but won't line up straight just like this one does. Also, the front grill is glossy which means it's a GM replacement piece, not orginal. With all the parts they replaced, why didn't they spend a few extra bucks and replace the overflow and washer fluid bottles?

The car doesn't look bad but it's obviously been cobbled together with a mess of mismatched parts. If it were a true 30k mile most of the original parts would still be in excellent condition and not need replacing.

vangogh4560

you could get the z28 and the IROC Z with the LG4 V8 4bbl in 1987

yo soy el warg

I may as well put in a couple of more things I've noticed. The door locks are chrome and not black. Also on the hood pad it is missing the two retainers at the center back. Notice the two holes?

Thirdgen Ranch

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Also, I don't believe the seats are original 85-86 pieces. They are definitely that style but I believe they are aftermarket replacements.

vangogh4560

not saying it correct but i have the same steering wheel in my 1987 Lt but it don't have the camaro badge in the center

Thirdgen Ranch

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Nope, that's DEFINITELY a Firebird steering wheel with a Camaro center section.

madbomber824

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How about the tach? Says it's idleing at 1500 RPM???

madbomber824

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This is why it says it's idleing so high because cluster (or at least tach) came from a V6 car. I have an 86 camaro that i swapped a 350 into it and never replaced my tach and its reading about 1500 also....LOL just answered my own comment.

MY87LT

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The LT steering wheel in 87 should look the same as the Z28 and IROC. The two differences were LT was not leather wrapped and it had the horn button more flushed like the older berlinetta wheel but with the word (CAMARO LT) Camaro written in white and LT in red.

The steering wheel on the ebay car looks kindda like a Firebirds. Then again, my screen here at work sucks.

chazman

iTrader: (4)

Hey, at least it's got a "numbers matching 305".

MY87LT

iTrader: (2)

Sure does

cliff1970

just says z-28 on the dash, nothing about iroc z. those seats didnt come in that car.

Thirdgen Ranch

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The tach is definitely from a V8 because it has a 60 psi oil pressure gauge. V6 cars had 80 psi gauges.

y84pauloflondon

For some reason, the first thing I noticed was the center piece on the steering wheel not aligned properly and rear hatch.

TOM-1LE

The ignition switch has been replaced -- it shouldn't be chrome.

The T-top bag is missing.

That upholstery doesn't seem quite right for any year Camaro. I think the seats and door panels have been reupholstered with incorrect material. The seat belt guides are missing but there is no evidence of where they were on the headrests -- a sure sign of a low-cost reupholstery job. So much for the "original" gray interior.

Even though the Autocheck doesn't say so, I wonder if this car was a theft recovery at some point? I don't know why else you would need to replace so many parts with junkyard pieces.

Good luck getting $9,500 for that car!

madbomber824

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why reading high? My bad by the way i guess

//<86TA>\\

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interior is pretty bad, seat belt guides missing form the seats, the guide on the headliner are hanging, screws missing from the b pillar molding, fog lights are different, one running light? is yellowed, other is new. That front shot of the car is hilarious.

armrest are white? I cant believe somebody has the horn button crooked on the wheel, rear quality work there.

passengerside strut mount is jammed all the way in, driverside isnt, so the car is aligned really bad or was hit. I vote hit.

all this for a measly 10k, what a steal!

yo soy el warg

Got to add a few more things. It's missing the light under the hood. It doesn't have the holes in the front grill for the license plate mount, which means its a new replacement. Oh and the rubber seal on the rear hatch has a huge tear in it by the latch.

scottmoyer

I did notice the lighter was incorrect and didn't list it as I figured someone would really question me on that!! I noticed it in the video because you really can't see it clearly in the pictures. I didn't want to say anything about the front grill because there are many people replacing worn or faded/cracked grills with the new high gloss grill. That's not really a "what's wrong" but more a "what's new". I also saw the passenger seat belt guide in the headliner was loose, but I missed the seat belt guides on the headrests. I also need to look again at the kick panels. I missed that one.

Convoy25

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haha we should send the guy this link or post all of the flaws

84redta

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Would'nt states that do not require a front lisence plate no have drilled holes in the front? I do beleive with you guys that it is a new grill, but were all grills factory drilled?

scottmoyer

No they weren't factory drilled. The above statement was just to mention that it has been replaced also.

84redta

iTrader: (34)

Alright, thats what i figured. I got a Z28 grill out of PA and it wasn't drilled, and the first thing i thought was replacement, but then it did look 17 years aged which made me figure it was a dealer's job whether to drill or not in the prep stage. Thanks for clarification.

freestylzz

Regarding the steering wheel, here`s a side by side comparison. My `87 Iroc is on the right (taken from a vidcap).

freestylzz

It`s also WRONG for the seller not to include a jug of VASELINE for $10K!

Oelmuvun

Make that 11K?

Quote:

4. A $1,000 non-refundable deposit is required within 48 hours of the auction's close. This deposit reserves the vehicle and removes it from the market. Acceptable payment types for deposit are: credit card, wire transfer, cashier’s check, and money order.

da.slyboy

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Since I never planned to buy it I didn't read the fine print. Damm, that's a rip off. A couple numbers down from that line it states

"7. Please be aware that all pre-owned vehicles, regardless of age, mileage, or manufacturer are subject to cosmetic wear and mechanical failure. Streetside Classic Cars encourages bidder to have a personal inspection completed prior to delivery to help ensure your satisfaction. Third party inspections are to take place prior to a vehicles shipment or delivery."

So if I understand this correctly, the winner pays a grand, then can pay for a third party inspector to come in and look at the car. Then after the inspector writes up a report about many of the things that was noticed on this board (overspray, turn signals, other non original parts) and the winner refuses to complete the sale, that person is out more than a grand and still doesn't have a car

Oh well. According to the ticker on the bottom more than three thousand people have looked at the car without even an offer (or an acceptable offer )

70maro83091

lol. would be a nice car if theyd tell the truth about it. with a new paint job it makes you wonder why she needed a new paint job at only 40,000 miles..