I had a thought that has plagued me since I joined this board.
Why are the 82-92 3rd gens??

Our Monte is considered 4th gen and has had the same type tweaking to body styles and short gen lengths to be called X gen.
Camaros 67-69 One style
70-73 another
74-81 another
So 82-92 based upon the changes made like the Monte it would be 4th Gen.

Just wondering!!!

 

70-81 are one generation

 

though there were minor body changes from 73 to 74 there were no major frame/ drivetrain overhauls so they remain on gen

 

Thats closer to what I was looking for, for a answer.
But when I compare it to the Monte's gens, same rule applies as to your answer, but then the difference came down to front and rear end body styles, so thats why the question.

 

well in proformance GM cars they remain the same untill there is a major frame drivetrain change but in luxury/sedans the more times you do small changes and say its a new model or gen you sell more thats basicly why

 

The 78 - 80 Monte and 81-87/88 were very different cars, they appear to be similar, however they share little in common... For example you can take the front fenders off of any 3rd gen Camaro and install it on any other 3rd gen camaro, likewise you can take any front clip off of any 6th gen Monte and install it on another.

The 78-80 pieces and parts will not install on an 81-88 Monte, they were very different..

 

I get where you are going.
But the 70-73 Camaro fenders also do not fit the 74-81's, different nose and bolting.
I have owned more than my share of F-body's, one 67 SS, 69 RS/SS 396, 70 1/2 Z28, 75 Type LT, 80-81 Z28's- 86-86 Twins Irocs ( his and hers ).

So similarities exist between the platforms, but one is 3rd and other is 4th and from my perspective it shouldn't be.

Hopefully soon we will add a your 3rd, my considered 4th gen Camaro to the stable. If we can find one that is T-topped and the floor pans aren't gone and haven't had too much luck.

 

there are lots of parts on the second gens that fit every year... hoods for example.

They are use the same basic frame, body panels, ect.... they even used the same dash from 1970-1978, which crosses over your "generations"

why did you make the generations for 2nd gen go from 70-73 and then 74-81? most poeple who classify 2nd gens puts them in the 70-73, 74-77, and 78-81 "generations"

but they are all 2nd gens

That's like saying a 69 firebird is a 2nd gen because they changed the front bumper...

 

By experience I know I could use alot of parts fit between the 74-81 model years, but very few of the 70-73 years will go on the 74-81's.

 

Sure am glad you are here to correct us all! Go ahead and tell everyone you have a 4th gen when you have a Thirdgen, but expect everyone to look at you like this:

While you are at it please correct Wikipedia for both Camaro and Firebird:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camaro

And send some letters to the editors at High Performance Pontiac and tell them they need to start calling the 4th gen's a 5th gen:

http://www.highperformancepontiac.co...awk/index.html

(The '95 Pontiac Formula was a fantastic car. It carried over the slippery shape of the less-seasoned V-6-equipped Firebird, while rectifying its power deficiency with a 275-horse, 350ci LT1. But, like anything else, it can always be improved upon. Since SLP (Street Legal Performance) had already worked its "Tuner" magic on the last of the Third-Gens, it was contracted to build Firehawks on the Fourth-Gen platform as well.)

Seriously, just because you think it is that way and you've owned a bunch of F-bodies doesn't mean you know it all.

 

For a moderator, you're awfully crass to people sometimes. The guy is just having a discussion, expressing a perspective, and you get all bent out of shape over it; you basically just contributed absolutely zero but a smart-alec reply. Why not try explaining why our cars are thirdgens, instead of uselessly telling him to go edit wikipedia and write letters to people who won't care?

I'd expect better from a site representative.

 

I get very tired of people arguing a point that is completely wrong. This isn't something that is an opinion. He asked a question, got an answer (that was fact), then argued that fact.

 

Well, then I guess I'd take a break from the computer for a while.

FTR though, I've never seen any official statement from GM breaking down generations by year.

 

A "simple member" would get in trouble & his post edited, at the very least. Just because you are a Moderator, it doesn't put you above the rules.

 

http://media.gm.com/product/public/u...ry/iconic.html

2010 Camaro - Fifth Generation.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us..._gm_centennial

"Other Chevrolet models’ designs had cultural impacts that resonated for decades. The Camaro, introduced in 1967, brought great design and affordable performance to younger customers. The heritage-inspired design of the fifth-generation model, introduced for 2010, quickly became the best seller among its primary competitors."

http://media.gm.com/dam/Media/docume...000Camaro.html

" 1970 - All-new, second-generation
Camaro introduced; new 360-hp
"LT1" 350-ci V8 standard on
Z28; side-guard door beams
added"

" 1982 - All-new, third-generation Camaro
introduced; Z28 selected to
pace the Indianapolis 500-mile
Race"

" 1993 - All-new, fourth-generation
Camaro introduced; new 3.4L V6
standard on Camaro, and 5.7L
"LT1" V8 standard on Z28; dual
air bags and anti-lock brakes
introduced"

 

It might not be an "Offical Statement" I do not know that you will get an Offical statement saying that a Firebird is a Firebird...

This is as close as you will get... notice the III??? Technically its from the 4th Gen "Collector Edition" pamphlet... Technically its Official... Still scratching my head about the 1993 thing...

 

Fair enough, I just don't think that the question, on a board that serves a purpose of answering questions, warranted the response it got.

If the above had simply been posted the first time, my comment would've never been needed. The above is what should've been posted initially. What do you know, I too learned something.

 

Yes, in 10+ years of forums and owning one myself for 5 years I agree.


I wasn't arguing anything, just making a observation that I've dealt with hands on that just didn't make complete sense.

I've read the encyclopedia's, but again it has no definitive answer why it happened and a GM said so is not what I was looking for.

I was hoping someone on here would know and had the route other than I said so type of thing. per what has been done in the past and present by GM in gen changing designation and or model renaming etc the 73 to 74 changes by the standards they have changed others would suggest that a gen change designation was in order. I just wondered why it didn't.

Thank you for such a warm welcome!!!

 

you're still beating that drum?

Let's look at this one more time...
let's list every change that was made between 1973 and 74...

Bumpers
Tail lights
307 dropped, became 350

now here's the things that didn't change...

EVERYTHING ELSE

The only reason I mention this is because you keep bringing up the generation change between 73 and 74, whien in fact, it was a very minor facelift.

When a car gets a new frame, and all new sheet metal, it's time that start thinking about a new generation

 

This is great. I must contribute.

Come on, everyone knows that there's only three Generations of F-Bodys.

SBC, LT, LS.

 

I guess I will say never mind that I even brought up the topic.


Did some searching and found the answer finally.
Nasty Z 28 goes through it quite well and labels them as revision changes and actually lists the 3 that someone could con-screw as a gen change and they were more than just a few parts, dam near half the car.

 

If you add the BBC and the ZL-1 you now have 5!!!

 

Right on.

I wasn't meaning to poke fun OP. The general consensus is there for obvious reasons as you have found, but there's always arguments that can be brought up against that. For example why can you "bolt in" 4th Gen rear chassis parts and interior parts?

 

this is every change made in 1974... right from nastyz28. these are MINOR, except the bumper change


New extruded aluminum face bars supported on flat leaf springs.
Front end, grill & head lights redesigned.
New rear bumper
Cut-in, wrap-around wedge-shaped tail lamps, eliminated the need for rear side markers.
Interior detail changes, including retractible inertia style shoulder belt
optional AM/FM sterio radio debuts
Only year seat belt interlock used (killed in mid year actually)
Power steering standard on all V8's.
Bumper jack changed to a tab-in-slot type (due to bumper construction).
Gas tank increased from 18 to 21 gallons.
Z28 got HEI in mid-season.
Borg-Warner 4 speed replaces Muncie in January 74
Baby moon cap gave way to aluminum cap shared with Nova and fullsize
Optional radial tires debute
307 V8 dropped and replaced with 350 2 barrel
New wear indicators on front disc brakes and ball joints
Rally Sport option dropped
Meridian Walnut applique on LT Instrument cluster