82 pace car
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82 pace car
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Re: 82 pace car
if that car brings $10k I'll eat my hat. 125k miles!!!!!
The LG4/auto combo is not inspiring, and the underside is just not very clean to command 10k. The exhaust is a butchered mess, the rear impact beam is rotted through, and there is blue overspray all over indicating that the car has been repaired. This is a $5000 car at best IMO. Look at all the nice IROCs and GTAs you can buy at that price. If that car brings $10k, Chazman's 83Z is worth $20k
The LG4/auto combo is not inspiring, and the underside is just not very clean to command 10k. The exhaust is a butchered mess, the rear impact beam is rotted through, and there is blue overspray all over indicating that the car has been repaired. This is a $5000 car at best IMO. Look at all the nice IROCs and GTAs you can buy at that price. If that car brings $10k, Chazman's 83Z is worth $20k
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Re: 82 pace car
I agree. While its finally nice to see some thirdgen cars start being looked at as serious collectables (not just to us who like thirdgens) - this car is not the best example.
1982 is the year that started off thirdgens and the 1982 Z28 was motor trends car of the year. We all know that a stock LG4 thirdgen is not the hot ticket in the performance department. That being said, if I was in the market for a fast thirdgen I wouldn't be looking out for a 100% stock LG4 unless I planned to modify it.
This car is special because its a pace car and its the first year of the thirdgens. That being said I would want one that is in a lot better shape than that car. The car would need to have a total restoration to be done correctly. It looks like the car was a daily driver for a while - nothing wrong with that - but that means that since it was used in this manner at this point it is going to need some work.
Nothing wrong with the car needing some work - the seller should have made that more clear in the adds text. This also should have been reflected in the asking price of the car. The oldest thirdgens now have hit 30 years old. The rust and the other sorted issues are not a surprise for a 30 year old car. It's just that should have been reflected in the add and the price.
They say a picture is worth 1,000 words. When you start demanding a premium price for a vehicle (collector car or not) it should be up to that standard. That's a lot of money for a thirdgen and at that level the car should need detail work but no substantial work should be required.
1982 is the year that started off thirdgens and the 1982 Z28 was motor trends car of the year. We all know that a stock LG4 thirdgen is not the hot ticket in the performance department. That being said, if I was in the market for a fast thirdgen I wouldn't be looking out for a 100% stock LG4 unless I planned to modify it.
This car is special because its a pace car and its the first year of the thirdgens. That being said I would want one that is in a lot better shape than that car. The car would need to have a total restoration to be done correctly. It looks like the car was a daily driver for a while - nothing wrong with that - but that means that since it was used in this manner at this point it is going to need some work.
Nothing wrong with the car needing some work - the seller should have made that more clear in the adds text. This also should have been reflected in the asking price of the car. The oldest thirdgens now have hit 30 years old. The rust and the other sorted issues are not a surprise for a 30 year old car. It's just that should have been reflected in the add and the price.
They say a picture is worth 1,000 words. When you start demanding a premium price for a vehicle (collector car or not) it should be up to that standard. That's a lot of money for a thirdgen and at that level the car should need detail work but no substantial work should be required.
if that car brings $10k I'll eat my hat. 125k miles!!!!!
The LG4/auto combo is not inspiring, and the underside is just not very clean to command 10k. The exhaust is a butchered mess, the rear impact beam is rotted through, and there is blue overspray all over indicating that the car has been repaired. This is a $5000 car at best IMO. Look at all the nice IROCs and GTAs you can buy at that price. If that car brings $10k, Chazman's 83Z is worth $20k
The LG4/auto combo is not inspiring, and the underside is just not very clean to command 10k. The exhaust is a butchered mess, the rear impact beam is rotted through, and there is blue overspray all over indicating that the car has been repaired. This is a $5000 car at best IMO. Look at all the nice IROCs and GTAs you can buy at that price. If that car brings $10k, Chazman's 83Z is worth $20k
Last edited by yaj15; Jul 21, 2012 at 05:29 PM. Reason: content
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Re: 82 pace car
Certainly not worth $10k and not all original or fixed up to original. Clearly did paint and a quick shop job on the interior for sure. Just a few things I noticed:


- Z28 rocker emblems are silver and should be orange
- Z28 emblem on rear bumper has the bowtie, not correct for 82
- Seats have been recovered. Z28 embroidering missing from drivers headrest. Not uncommon, but not original either. And for this car, not a really nice job with the covers either IMHO. Check to wrinkles on the rear seats.
- Non '82-style dash pad
- T-top bag straps are completely the wrong color


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Re: 82 pace car
Yeah I agree. We are not trying to come down hard just trying to be honest. I think that most of us on this website would like to keep seeing as many thirdgens get rebuilt and stay on the road as possible. At the same time we don't want anybody to get taken either.
For example, if I had known now what I knew when I was 17 when I got my car 11 years ago I wouldn't have got it. I paid $5,500 for my car. Now that I know better it was too much. The paint, body, and interior were in good shape. I still detail my car often. Granted now it's a 25 year old car (that I drive on a regular basis) so it's not perfect. That's okay with me. I got my car to drive not to be a show car on a trailer. I got it with 153,000 miles on it so the point of where it was going to be a 100% stock low mile car was passed long before I laid eyes on it. 3 years later when the car had 166,000 miles on it the original engine went out. So I had the experience of getting a rebuilt engine installed in the car.
Don't get me wrong I love my car. I've learned a lot from working on it over the years as I have gotten older. I've had to do a lot of work to my car to get it to the point it is now - some of which I may not have had to do right away or as soon if I had knew a little bit more about cars in general before I bought.
Granted I know that all of our cars are never ending projects to an extent. It's just if it's more of a restoration build up kind of project - there is no need to pay a lot of money for a car that is in that category to start with - at at least at this point. There may become a day when that is true but it's sure not right now. As other posters have said there are other Z28's and IROC's for sale that are 100% original low mile cars that can be purchased that are in much better shape than the car in that add.
For example, if I had known now what I knew when I was 17 when I got my car 11 years ago I wouldn't have got it. I paid $5,500 for my car. Now that I know better it was too much. The paint, body, and interior were in good shape. I still detail my car often. Granted now it's a 25 year old car (that I drive on a regular basis) so it's not perfect. That's okay with me. I got my car to drive not to be a show car on a trailer. I got it with 153,000 miles on it so the point of where it was going to be a 100% stock low mile car was passed long before I laid eyes on it. 3 years later when the car had 166,000 miles on it the original engine went out. So I had the experience of getting a rebuilt engine installed in the car.
Don't get me wrong I love my car. I've learned a lot from working on it over the years as I have gotten older. I've had to do a lot of work to my car to get it to the point it is now - some of which I may not have had to do right away or as soon if I had knew a little bit more about cars in general before I bought.
Granted I know that all of our cars are never ending projects to an extent. It's just if it's more of a restoration build up kind of project - there is no need to pay a lot of money for a car that is in that category to start with - at at least at this point. There may become a day when that is true but it's sure not right now. As other posters have said there are other Z28's and IROC's for sale that are 100% original low mile cars that can be purchased that are in much better shape than the car in that add.
Certainly not worth $10k and not all original or fixed up to original. Clearly did paint and a quick shop job on the interior for sure. Just a few things I noticed:
- Z28 rocker emblems are silver and should be orange
- Z28 emblem on rear bumper has the bowtie, not correct for 82
- Seats have been recovered. Z28 embroidering missing from drivers headrest. Not uncommon, but not original either. And for this car, not a really nice job with the covers either IMHO. Check to wrinkles on the rear seats.
- Non '82-style dash pad
- T-top bag straps are completely the wrong color
Re: 82 pace car
The TTop bag is the wrong bag for an 82. The seats have been recovered poorly, the door panels are replacements and look horrible, the top door panel trim is an aftermarket piece and is very incorrect, the dash is incorrect for an 82, the headlight buckets were painted flat black instead of satin, the headlight **** has no lettering or white at all, the stereo is incorrect for 82, The underhood hose routing is wrong and who know what else. This is far from "mint" as the original poster stated. If this is the quality of the reproduction parts available to us today, we are in a world of hurt for future "correct" restorations.
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Re: 82 pace car
You forgot to mention the silver bowtie in the fog light bezel.
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Re: 82 pace car
In their defense, black t-top straps usually fade to tan/gray...I replaced mine for this reason. But yeah, the car is wayyyy overpriced at $10k, especially with that interior that looks like it was done by a 10 year old. Not even close to correct material/pattern/colors! Just hideous. I'd rather have the original interior in poor condition honestly. At least you'd have something to match up.
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