how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
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how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
hey just going through production numbers etc with my 91 firebird convertible and compared it to the camaro convertibles. Just wondering why the big difference with the pontiac and chevys. especially 91 and 92. its thousands difference in the base v8 ones.
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
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Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
Start at cost...
1) Then consider that there was about half as many Firebirds made than Camaros because of Cost.
2) Then consider that the marketing may not have been as strong for the Firebirds,
3) Then consider the economy (which circles back to cost)... What was interesting is I glanced at production numbers for several years back in the 80's, and when the economy was doing better, more expensive cars trended to do better, and when the economy went down less expensive trended better, although the Firebird never outpaced the Camaro in its 35 year side by side run, but comparatively it was interesting. I will be honest, it was not a scientific thing, I did not crunch numbers, but it did seem to be the case.
1) Then consider that there was about half as many Firebirds made than Camaros because of Cost.
2) Then consider that the marketing may not have been as strong for the Firebirds,
3) Then consider the economy (which circles back to cost)... What was interesting is I glanced at production numbers for several years back in the 80's, and when the economy was doing better, more expensive cars trended to do better, and when the economy went down less expensive trended better, although the Firebird never outpaced the Camaro in its 35 year side by side run, but comparatively it was interesting. I will be honest, it was not a scientific thing, I did not crunch numbers, but it did seem to be the case.
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Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
Add in that there were more Chevrolet Dealerships than Pontiac Dealerships.
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
I do not have a way to check, but do you know how many pontiac dealerships there was in 1991 & 1992? I would imagine that twice as many Chevrolet, but I do not know...
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Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
Start at cost...
1) Then consider that there was about half as many Firebirds made than Camaros because of Cost.
2) Then consider that the marketing may not have been as strong for the Firebirds,
3) Then consider the economy (which circles back to cost)... What was interesting is I glanced at production numbers for several years back in the 80's, and when the economy was doing better, more expensive cars trended to do better, and when the economy went down less expensive trended better, although the Firebird never outpaced the Camaro in its 35 year side by side run, but comparatively it was interesting. I will be honest, it was not a scientific thing, I did not crunch numbers, but it did seem to be the case.
1) Then consider that there was about half as many Firebirds made than Camaros because of Cost.
2) Then consider that the marketing may not have been as strong for the Firebirds,
3) Then consider the economy (which circles back to cost)... What was interesting is I glanced at production numbers for several years back in the 80's, and when the economy was doing better, more expensive cars trended to do better, and when the economy went down less expensive trended better, although the Firebird never outpaced the Camaro in its 35 year side by side run, but comparatively it was interesting. I will be honest, it was not a scientific thing, I did not crunch numbers, but it did seem to be the case.
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
By the numbers there was 1,000,000 Camaros and 500,000 Firebids from 82-92
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Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
From 1987-1990 the desparity between Camaro and Firebird convertibles was really high because Firebird count was zero.
Firebird convertible could retrofitted with GM's blessing, but you had to know which fiery hoops to jump through in order to get one.
Firebird convertible could retrofitted with GM's blessing, but you had to know which fiery hoops to jump through in order to get one.
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: how come so many less firebird convt then camaros
Actually the fire hoops were not bad, once you figured it out, Order a car with T-tops and no rear defrost, then have it scheduled with ASC. Then you had to have the car drop shipped to ASC. The process was the same for the camaro in 1986 and partly into 1987, but with the RPO introduction in 1987, the process became much more simple.
I am not sure why Simo did not post it here, but in 2001, there was around 4,300 Chevrolet Dealerships compared to 2800 Pontiac Dealerships. From 1982-1992 there was 1,517,623 Camaros and 817,444,
Doing a simple math for every Pontiac dealership in 2001 there was 1.53 Chevrolet Dealerships. And From 1982-1992, for every Firebird made there was 1.86 Camaros made so almost 2 to 1.
For more fun with math, here is the ratio of Camaros over Firebirds
82 - 1.54
83 - 2.06
84 - 2.04
85 - 1.88
86 - 1.74
87 - 1.55
88 - 1.54
89 - 1.72
90 - 1.70
91 - 3.33
92 - 2.78
%GDP Growth in the US
82 : -2.0
83 : 4.5
84 : 7.2
85 : 4.1
86 : 3.4
87 : 3.2
88 : 4.1
89 : 3.6
90 : 1.9
91 : -0.3
92 : 3.4
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