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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 12:12 PM
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should these screws be black?

I am freshening up some of the black oxide finish screws on my car & I am curious if these screws on the ground effects should also be oxide black? There not rusted, but they appear to be weathered from road debris.

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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 12:17 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

No such screws on my 85 at all. They don't look OE to me.

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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 12:20 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

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No such screws on my 85 at all. They don't look OE to me.

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Hmmmm, It has these all the way around. Maybe I'll try googling some images & see what I can find. Knowing the history of the car, I don't think anyone would have changed them, but maybe?

This is on an 89 BTW, sorry for not specifying that.
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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 01:05 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

Those weren't on my 91 I don't think, if those are original they would be 7mm like the rest of the gfx small bolts
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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 06:04 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

My TA has Philips heads with washers and they are Black.
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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 06:12 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

I just found this picture from an 89 low mile mile TTA on ebay. Not definitive, but they look like the same 7mm headed screws. Really hard to see clearly tho.
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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 06:49 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

Originally Posted by F-body-fan
I just found this picture from an 89 low mile mile TTA on ebay. Not definitive, but they look like the same 7mm headed screws. Really hard to see clearly tho.
There are differences between Camaros and Firebirds. As a consequence, you might want to be specific about you car: year, make, model and so on.

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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 07:01 PM
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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 07:01 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

This is what the parts book says for 85- 90 Firebirds




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Old Oct 10, 2015 | 08:56 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

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There are differences between Camaros and Firebirds. As a consequence, you might want to be specific about you car: year, make, model and so on.

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Sorry about that, I thought the picture was a give away that it was on a firebird.

I didn't think the camaro's had screws on that section behind the door, do they? Its been a while since I looked at mine. I made a few assumptions that I probably shouldn't have.

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Old Oct 11, 2015 | 11:01 AM
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Re: should these screws be black?

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Sorry about that, I thought the picture was a give away that it was on a firebird.

I didn't think the camaro's had screws on that section behind the door, do they? Its been a while since I looked at mine. I made a few assumptions that I probably shouldn't have.
You are correct, camaros dont have screws there. I have seen it both ways on firebirds though with some having 7mm and others having Phillips screws. To me the 7mm screws are the ones that should be there and it is up to you on the color, unless you're going for the concourse look.
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Old Oct 11, 2015 | 05:35 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

Didn't think of this until I removed all the screws......
They had Black on the backside of the washers where they were sealed away from the elements.
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Old Oct 12, 2015 | 03:10 PM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
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Re: should these screws be black?

It may depend on the day. Some cars got 1/4" head screws holding on the trim piece on top of the door, other cars got the #2 Phillips head... Actually if they ran out during production I would not see why they would not literally go to the hardware store and buy up everything they had to keep the line going... My father used to work for Buick City and they had days where they would run out of a screw, and someone would literally drive to the hardware store and buy whatever was closest to what they needed.

Of course it may depend on Van Nuys vs Norwood...

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Old Oct 20, 2015 | 09:48 PM
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My '88 GTA has Phillips-head screws on the front end, and hex-head screws on the back end. Panels have never been off car since it was new.
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Old Oct 21, 2015 | 07:18 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Re: should these screws be black?

That is interesting...
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Old Oct 21, 2015 | 08:00 AM
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Re: should these screws be black?

Originally Posted by FrankieRider2
My '88 GTA has Phillips-head screws on the front end, and hex-head screws on the back end. Panels have never been off car since it was new.


That's exactly how mine is up front too. I was curious about the push in retainers for the wheel well plastic, but I see that must be correct as well.


On my car, the 7mm headed screws in front would have cut into the tires when turning. Even with the flat headed Phillips screws the tires pass reeeealy close to them.
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Old Oct 21, 2015 | 08:17 AM
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From: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
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Re: should these screws be black?

Originally Posted by F-body-fan
That's exactly how mine is up front too. I was curious about the push in retainers for the wheel well plastic, but I see that must be correct as well.


On my car, the 7mm headed screws in front would have cut into the tires when turning. Even with the flat headed Phillips screws the tires pass reeeealy close to them.
I have Recently learned that the tire rub on the front plastic inner fender and the fender may in part be due to the brand of tire. When I went to the 17" Wheels I really liked the looks of the Yokohama 100ES (IIRC). Every time I backed up and cranked the wheel to lock the tire would rub, but when I went to the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 Wide Oval, my problem is now gone.

Tires are the "same size" BTW... 245-45R17 IIRC

John

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Old Oct 21, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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Re: should these screws be black?

I have the same on my 89 GTA. They are black 7mm screws.
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Old Oct 21, 2015 | 05:33 PM
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Re: should these screws be black?

Originally Posted by F-body-fan
That's exactly how mine is up front too. I was curious about the push in retainers for the wheel well plastic, but I see that must be correct as well.


On my car, the 7mm headed screws in front would have cut into the tires when turning. Even with the flat headed Phillips screws the tires pass reeeealy close to them.
Yeah, everything you see in my photos is exactly how it rolled off the line in Van Nuys 27 years ago. Nothing has been removed or altered, and I'm the original owner.
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