Educate me, oh knowledgables
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Educate me, oh knowledgables
I bought a cheap used LT1 bare block and I want to build it to the best of it's potential. I'll be getting it bored .030 and I just want some education. It's my first build and I want to put it all together with the best of the best. I'm in no hurry to build it because I know it'll be expensive.
I'm looking to know everything. Your favorite brands, why, etc. I-beam vs. H-beam. And so on and so forth. I'm not trying to build a crap-your-pants-fast dragster. Just a crap-your-pants-fast-streetcar/strip-on-weekends.
I'm not planning to boost it so I'm looking for high compression, flat top pistons is what I've been told. Also looking for pros and cons of forged vs cast. Anything you think is useful, please let me know. If you think it's common knowledge, tell me anyway. I know there are build stickys, but I was just seeing if there was anything further.
I'm looking to know everything. Your favorite brands, why, etc. I-beam vs. H-beam. And so on and so forth. I'm not trying to build a crap-your-pants-fast dragster. Just a crap-your-pants-fast-streetcar/strip-on-weekends.
I'm not planning to boost it so I'm looking for high compression, flat top pistons is what I've been told. Also looking for pros and cons of forged vs cast. Anything you think is useful, please let me know. If you think it's common knowledge, tell me anyway. I know there are build stickys, but I was just seeing if there was anything further.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
It just depends on what you want to do with it? Naturally asperated? How many horsepower are you gonna be making? Daily driver? Weekend car? Drag car? Stroker? Just all depends weather to run I-beams, H-beams, Hyperutectic pistons, Forged, ect ect.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
I'm looking for 600+ n/a, then planning to strap NOS to it. It'll be a summer car. (I live in Minnesota and can't enjoy it year round) Strips on the weekend, semi-daily driver in the summers.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
For the heads i would go with afr. and you are prolly gonna need some decent size ones anyways. 600 N/A is alot for a lt1 not sayin it is impossible cause it is just lots of stuff.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
you're gonna need a 393 kit with MAX effort porting on the stock heads. and one hell of a cam.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
Does AFR make heads for the LT1?
Edit: yep, they sure do.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
Thats a lot of HP without NOS, Chargers ect. Can be within your grasp. I would say all forged as well. You'd have to stroke it to get closer to your goals. H-beams ect.. Ported AFR heads. Hell of a cam to match those heads. A good tune. You got all the drivetrain to back the engine up? 9"? Built trans?
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
to the OP:
Do you have any idea what your getting into? you want 600 n/a hp, and your asking about cast pistons?!





Do you know what 300 n/a horsepower feels like?
I don't even know why I fell for that, this thread is a joke
Do you have any idea what your getting into? you want 600 n/a hp, and your asking about cast pistons?!






Do you know what 300 n/a horsepower feels like?
I don't even know why I fell for that, this thread is a joke
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
Thats a lot of HP without NOS, Chargers ect. Can be within your grasp. I would say all forged as well. You'd have to stroke it to get closer to your goals. H-beams ect.. Ported AFR heads. Hell of a cam to match those heads. A good tune. You got all the drivetrain to back the engine up? 9"? Built trans?
I started this thread to learn. I implied, damn near in the title even, that I'm uneducated on this. I'm 18 and working part time to pay for this car, all my money, so no, I haven't felt 300 HP. Can't afford it. Most I've felt/driven is 280ish(RX-8)But thanks a lot for the help.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
I started this thread to learn. I implied, damn near in the title even, that I'm uneducated on this. I'm 18 and working part time to pay for this car, all my money, so no, I haven't felt 300 HP. Can't afford it. Most I've felt/driven is 280ish(RX-8)But thanks a lot for the help.

if you've never even been past 300 hp then you don't need to build a 600 hp LT1 and put it in your car. you have no idea what a 13 sec car feels like,better yet a 10 sec car. a car like that in the hands of an inexperienced driver is no longer a car, it's a deathtrap. I guess that's natural selection for ya.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
Your welcome.
if you've never even been past 300 hp then you don't need to build a 600 hp LT1 and put it in your car. you have no idea what a 13 sec car feels like,better yet a 10 sec car. a car like that in the hands of an inexperienced driver is no longer a car, it's a deathtrap. I guess that's natural selection for ya.
if you've never even been past 300 hp then you don't need to build a 600 hp LT1 and put it in your car. you have no idea what a 13 sec car feels like,better yet a 10 sec car. a car like that in the hands of an inexperienced driver is no longer a car, it's a deathtrap. I guess that's natural selection for ya.
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Well, you kind of sound like an 18 year old kid that doesn't have a clue what 600 HP acts like.
Notice the very first response had to ask you what you intended to do with the car. That is important information. Without it, we have to assume a lot.
We understand you came here for information, but a dose of reality is in order.
It is very difficult to work your way from stockish 300 HP to 600 HP on one build. 400 NA, working your way up to 600 sprayed as you gained experience getting the power to the ground and learning to drive with that kind of power would be a lot more reasonable.
Notice the very first response had to ask you what you intended to do with the car. That is important information. Without it, we have to assume a lot.
We understand you came here for information, but a dose of reality is in order.
It is very difficult to work your way from stockish 300 HP to 600 HP on one build. 400 NA, working your way up to 600 sprayed as you gained experience getting the power to the ground and learning to drive with that kind of power would be a lot more reasonable.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
Well, you kind of sound like an 18 year old kid that doesn't have a clue what 600 HP acts like.
Notice the very first response had to ask you what you intended to do with the car. That is important information. Without it, we have to assume a lot.
We understand you came here for information, but a dose of reality is in order.
It is very difficult to work your way from stockish 300 HP to 600 HP on one build. 400 NA, working your way up to 600 sprayed as you gained experience getting the power to the ground and learning to drive with that kind of power would be a lot more reasonable.
Notice the very first response had to ask you what you intended to do with the car. That is important information. Without it, we have to assume a lot.
We understand you came here for information, but a dose of reality is in order.
It is very difficult to work your way from stockish 300 HP to 600 HP on one build. 400 NA, working your way up to 600 sprayed as you gained experience getting the power to the ground and learning to drive with that kind of power would be a lot more reasonable.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
That was un-called for. I was 18 once. You learn real quick about horse power. I learned a lot from TGO along the way. I really didn't miss comments like that. So just educate.. don't be an a$$.
But honestly 600hp just starting out is a lot to ask for. It'll will just about be not streetable staying NA. Hell i'd be happy getting 600hp from a boosted LS1. I'd just say do plenty of more reading. Even buy a couple SBC engine building books to get the basics down. SBC is about the same platform.The biggest thing in a engine is Heads and Cam.
FYI 300hp is pretty fun still. Could get down into the High 12's. My GTO is 420 RWHP and it scoots. Traction is a problem till about 60mph. Well have fun. But do read up before you build anything. You can shell out a lot of money for Top doller parts and Not make $hit for HP cause there miss matched.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
That was un-called for. I was 18 once. You learn real quick about horse power. I learned a lot from TGO along the way. I really didn't miss comments like that. So just educate.. don't be an a$$.
But honestly 600hp just starting out is a lot to ask for. It'll will just about be not streetable staying NA. Hell i'd be happy getting 600hp from a boosted LS1. I'd just say do plenty of more reading. Even buy a couple SBC engine building books to get the basics down. SBC is about the same platform.The biggest thing in a engine is Heads and Cam.
FYI 300hp is pretty fun still. Could get down into the High 12's. My GTO is 420 RWHP and it scoots. Traction is a problem till about 60mph. Well have fun. But do read up before you build anything. You can shell out a lot of money for Top doller parts and Not make $hit for HP cause there miss matched.
But honestly 600hp just starting out is a lot to ask for. It'll will just about be not streetable staying NA. Hell i'd be happy getting 600hp from a boosted LS1. I'd just say do plenty of more reading. Even buy a couple SBC engine building books to get the basics down. SBC is about the same platform.The biggest thing in a engine is Heads and Cam.
FYI 300hp is pretty fun still. Could get down into the High 12's. My GTO is 420 RWHP and it scoots. Traction is a problem till about 60mph. Well have fun. But do read up before you build anything. You can shell out a lot of money for Top doller parts and Not make $hit for HP cause there miss matched.
I'd like to build the bottom end with good stuff and just put something mild on the top end so I can get the engine in sooner. And then build the top end as I have money. And before I drop it in I need to invest in that new transmission, and probably a new driveshaft, I don't know how similar in length the 700R4 and TH350 are.
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Re: Educate me, oh knowledgables
Your welcome.
if you've never even been past 300 hp then you don't need to build a 600 hp LT1 and put it in your car. you have no idea what a 13 sec car feels like,better yet a 10 sec car. a car like that in the hands of an inexperienced driver is no longer a car, it's a deathtrap. I guess that's natural selection for ya.
if you've never even been past 300 hp then you don't need to build a 600 hp LT1 and put it in your car. you have no idea what a 13 sec car feels like,better yet a 10 sec car. a car like that in the hands of an inexperienced driver is no longer a car, it's a deathtrap. I guess that's natural selection for ya.
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