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Old Aug 7, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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help swap problem

heloo every body
this is my first topic in this board .

I want to ask you guys about :what is the most popular engine you have swap in the third gen
I have many choices : LS1 , 6.0 iron block ,Lt1 , 454 BB ,350


my project is : I want the most power with stock bottom engine and N2O in weekend drive

I have 1987 red iroc no motor no trans ,
so guys i want to help me in my Project


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Old Aug 7, 2010 | 09:44 PM
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Re: help swap problem

There are a lot of factors in Engine swaps. It depends on your mechanical aptitude, and moreso your electronics aptitude in terms of the LSX Swaps.

What are you looking to spend? I saw you mentioned doing NOS on a stock bottom end. If it were me, I'd be looking for a 5.3 Truck engine with an LSX intake, maybe cam, and headers. That would give you a pretty stout engine doing maybe 350 to the pavement then whatever NOS you plan on spraying.

6.0 is a great option here too, but they're harder to find and are usually almost double the price of the 5.3 from what I've found.
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Old Aug 7, 2010 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Falconiroc
There are a lot of factors in Engine swaps. It depends on your mechanical aptitude, and moreso your electronics aptitude in terms of the LSX Swaps.

What are you looking to spend? I saw you mentioned doing NOS on a stock bottom end. If it were me, I'd be looking for a 5.3 Truck engine with an LSX intake, maybe cam, and headers. That would give you a pretty stout engine doing maybe 350 to the pavement then whatever NOS you plan on spraying.

6.0 is a great option here too, but they're harder to find and are usually almost double the price of the 5.3 from what I've found.

about the 6.0 i can deal with it but my major problem with this engine is the weight of it . about the electronics aptitude am planning on carb and Distributor
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Old Aug 7, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Re: help swap problem

The 6.0 is not any more weight than the 350 you have listed. It may even be lighter, and its significantly lighter than the 454 you have listed. I recommend you do some reading on this forum. You could probably acquire all the info you need to make your decision.
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Old Aug 7, 2010 | 10:07 PM
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Re: help swap problem

Originally Posted by Falconiroc
The 6.0 is not any more weight than the 350 you have listed. It may even be lighter, and its significantly lighter than the 454 you have listed. I recommend you do some reading on this forum. You could probably acquire all the info you need to make your decision.

woulde you pls help me and but for me some links?


my target to get most power for street and strep race.


as i sayes carb and N2O in auto trans
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 11:47 AM
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Re: help swap problem

Read this

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...third-gen.html
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 12:32 PM
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Re: help swap problem

It sounds like you really want to get this thing going, well I'm a bit further ahead in the process, so whats required is quite fresh in my mind. I'll give you what I consider to be the best advise here.

Read, read, read, then do, do, do.

I recommend starting with all the sticky threads in the forum. Read everything. Then start with each one of the build threads, and read all of them.

Why?

Its simple. Everyone that has performed a swap on this forum has run into snags of some sort in their project. Some are the same snags that most everyone encounters, but each project has its own unique ones. By learning, and reading what others have run into, it will help you to better prepare yourself for what you will run into.

Here is an example of a Carbed LSX Engine build thread:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...ost-there.html

You may notice that they are using the LSX Coil Per Cylinder Setup, and there is no distributer, which lends back to my previous recommendation, which is to prepare to set up a harness for you car. I may be wrong on this, but I don't think there is a provision for a distributer in an LSX block.
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 01:29 PM
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Re: help swap problem

Good advice

GMPP sells a front cover kit that allows the use of a Ford SB distributor up front driven directly off the cam. Theres a good pic thread on 'tech with one in a minimalist G-body

IMHO carbing a LSx throws away half of the R&D GM put into the new engine platform
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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Use the MSD 6010 controller and a carb and beat the hell out of it with whatever cam you like. The distributor is a waste of time unless you are spinning over 7700 RPM.

Here is my build:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...-6-0-swap.html


So far, everyone looks at my tail lights that is running on motor but2 i have run, 1 i helped build and the other was stroked with heads that cost more than what i paid for my drive train.

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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 02:49 PM
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Thanks for the correction Pocket, I knew I'd seen that somewhere but since I'm not interested in taking a step back in tech I forgot about it. Despite the fact that it is ultimately your choice what you run, I have to agree whole heartedly with Pockets remarks on going Carb on an lsx. I'm not saying they went fast or good, but that GM pit a lot of work and R&D into making. The injected LSX the best, streetable small blocks in the world. The other manufacturers are doing what they can to emulate it. Again, running whatever you want and enjoy it, but IMHO the tech is there for a good reason, and for good benefit.
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 03:11 AM
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Well, it is different stroked for different wallets/folks. The cheap way to make a bunch of power was a carb for me, , i just have an alternator and water pump, no PS, AC or any of that, i would go EFI if i had the cash maybe, but i would still run a Victor intake with a TB on top. Just cost too much for myself, if my car was a 98 up OE EFI car, of course i would not "step back", but as my car had a TBI engine, a carbed LS is no step back by any means, LOL.
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 08:40 PM
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Re: help swap problem

Originally Posted by Falconiroc
Thanks for the correction Pocket, I knew I'd seen that somewhere but since I'm not interested in taking a step back in tech I forgot about it. Despite the fact that it is ultimately your choice what you run, I have to agree whole heartedly with Pockets remarks on going Carb on an lsx. I'm not saying they went fast or good, but that GM pit a lot of work and R&D into making. The injected LSX the best, streetable small blocks in the world. The other manufacturers are doing what they can to emulate it. Again, running whatever you want and enjoy it, but IMHO the tech is there for a good reason, and for good benefit.

Thank you all guys for your post

Ido alot of researching and am still lost

i have a good budget for ls1 engine

but the qustion is :

does the 3 red gen camaro worth the effort for this project

I mean for ls1 and carb
I choose the carb than the EFI because we do not have
perfect tuner

and the carb is cheaper

I do not care about the A/C and the steering wheel

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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
Use the MSD 6010 controller and a carb and beat the hell out of it with whatever cam you like. The distributor is a waste of time unless you are spinning over 7700 RPM.

Here is my build:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/ltx-...-6-0-swap.html


So far, everyone looks at my tail lights that is running on motor but2 i have run, 1 i helped build and the other was stroked with heads that cost more than what i paid for my drive train.

dud how many horsepower did you get from your project ?

my opinion in the distribution is that i can instal msd 6AL and i can control
by my own for adjustment and i do not have to need the coil and computer

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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 09:36 PM
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write in the normal font color and size lol
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 10:28 PM
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ooh, can't do that... if you type in normal font, color and size, then people don't have to think hard as they read your comments. er... do they?


instead I'll just add in a bunch of emote icons:
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Falconiroc
ooh, can't do that... if you type in normal font, color and size, then people don't have to think hard as they read your comments. er... do they?


instead I'll just add in a bunch of emote icons:

sorry guys for this error but in my computer it shows Pretty format LOL

Idid adject what i write so guys plz comment on my commentLoL
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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sorry guys for this error but in my computer it shows Pretty format LOL

Idid adject what i write so guys plz comment on my commentLoL
Hehe, just giving you a hard time! Best of luck with your swap!
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 11:42 PM
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Re: help swap problem

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dud how many horsepower did you get from your project ?

my opinion in the distribution is that i can instal msd 6AL and i can control
by my own for adjustment and i do not have to need the coil and computer

Dont know how much power it makes since i have not dynoed it, but i destroy heads and cam LS1 camaros and firebirds with ease. By the time you aford the conversion you can get a lap top new for 200$ from wal mart or a used one for less and the 8 coils work better for dwell time.
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZONES89RS
Dont know how much power it makes since i have not dynoed it, but i destroy heads and cam LS1 camaros and firebirds with ease. By the time you aford the conversion you can get a lap top new for 200$ from wal mart or a used one for less and the 8 coils work better for dwell time.

what kind of model you have been distroyed dud
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98-02 TA, Z28,SS, 97-04 HCI ZO6 vettes, turbo handas(with VTAAK), mustangs with cams and nitrous, ect.
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