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LTX and LSXPutting LT1s, LS1s, and their variants into Third Gens is becoming more popular. This board is for those who are doing and have done the swaps so they can discuss all of their technical aspects including repairs, swap info, and performance upgrades.
Its alive....Just did a 30 mile break in.Still need to see a ref, so far from out of the woods.Could go either way from here.Never made a thread, figured there was too many already.
Vitals look good.
One last look.
Very strong, but smooth at the same time.Night & day difference from old motor, to say the least.Very pleased with it.The big hurdle is the secondary cat fitment, especially the passenger side.
If you can afford a genuine ERod kit, then you can afford a better car to put it in. Faking an ERod is a great idea, and at least $2K cheaper just for starting with a salvage-yard 5.3, which you can rear-turbo and still be a grand cheaper than a real ERod, with even more power and even more MPG.
If you can afford a genuine ERod kit, then you can afford a better car to put it in. Faking an ERod is a great idea, and at least $2K cheaper just for starting with a salvage-yard 5.3, which you can rear-turbo and still be a grand cheaper than a real ERod, with even more power and even more MPG.
OK,
Originally Posted by Thomas Aquinas
Nice gauge setup.
Is that the stock bezel? How did you mount them?
Thanks.I made the bezel, gauges are mounted on a plexiglass template, on the stock cluster.
Yeah, but even with carb approval theres no guarantee itll pass.Thats California for you!
Do you mean the sniffer test?
As I understood it, the referee will check that the kit was installed per the instructions, applies a new bar code for future emissions use, then you go to the smog station for the test. Is that the case?
I picked up a '96 Vette last year thinking I'd do an E-Rod swap, then learned the car has to be '95-earlier to meet the exemption. Oh, well, guess the LT1 will have to be upgraded...
If you can afford a genuine ERod kit, then you can afford a better car to put it in. Faking an ERod is a great idea, and at least $2K cheaper just for starting with a salvage-yard 5.3, which you can rear-turbo and still be a grand cheaper than a real ERod, with even more power and even more MPG.
That doesn't exactly work.
If you swap a salvage-yard 5.3, you have to have all of the emissions equipment the 5.3 had. Can get sticky with the referee. The EVAP system is about enough by itself to make this extremely difficult. Truck exhaust manifolds don't fit without modification (referees don't like to see things that are modified). You're at the mercy of the referee about what's good enough.
With the E-Rod, it's all laid out for both you and the referee. If it's in the kit and on the car, no argument.
As I understood it, the referee will check that the kit was installed per the instructions, applies a new bar code for future emissions use, then you go to the smog station for the test. Is that the case?
I picked up a '96 Vette last year thinking I'd do an E-Rod swap, then learned the car has to be '95-earlier to meet the exemption. Oh, well, guess the LT1 will have to be upgraded...
I mean the state referee inspection.They have their own set of guide lines, that can contradict what GM specifies in the installation manual.Mostly with the fuel tank & exhaust.My concern is the exh.GM manual says I can use any factory based LS exh manifolds.CARB thinks otherwise.We'll see.
I mean the state referee inspection.They have their own set of guide lines, that can contradict what GM specifies in the installation manual.Mostly with the fuel tank & exhaust.My concern the the battery exh.GM manual says I can use any factory based LS exh manifolds.CARB the thinks otherwise.We'll see.
Thats a question I had as well. If your allowed to swap exhaust manifolds I wonder if you could use stock LS7 manifolds.
First page, end of 4th paragraph. The CARB EO requires use of the exhaust manifolds in the kit. Following paragraph states any replacements have to be approved by CARB. So, you'd need an EO on the exhaust manifolds for the E-Rod engine.
Ive read that, specifically it says "modified or add on" which exh manifolds are not an add on, nor modified.Of course the final call is to the discretion of the ref.
As far as I know EO certification is for aftermarket, not OE parts.
If you're going with an EROD kit you don't visit a referee, you just go have a regular smog with the CARB OE.
If you visit a referee you're changing effectively what your car will smog as to whats installed and must adhere to much tighter restrictions including the mood and leniency of the referee.
Take this with a grain of salt as my swap is still in progress and i might just honestly move out of california to save on headaches.
If you're going with an EROD kit you don't visit a referee, you just go have a regular smog with the CARB OE.
If you visit a referee you're changing effectively what your car will smog as to whats installed and must adhere to much tighter restrictions including the mood and leniency of the referee.
Take this with a grain of salt as my swap is still in progress and i might just honestly move out of california to save on headaches.
That's what I thought too. If you install the e-rod kit the C.A.R.B. order would mean that you wouldn't have to go to a referee.
If you can afford a genuine ERod kit, then you can afford a better car to put it in. Faking an ERod is a great idea, and at least $2K cheaper just for starting with a salvage-yard 5.3, which you can rear-turbo and still be a grand cheaper than a real ERod, with even more power and even more MPG.
No 5.3/iron 6.0 will ever be a legal swap in california. Truck engines cannot be put in cars legally
4L65E.No custom mount, but the Hawks piece did need some tweaking the holes to mount properly.
Did you use one of the connect and cruise 4l65e transmissions from GM? Do they set that trans up to do a full throttle 3-4 upshift or do you have to program the trans controller to do that?
Exhaust Manifolds
It is recommended that you use the provided exhaust
manifolds or similar LS Engine style Exhaust Manifolds
Which Erod install manual are you reading?
Originally Posted by 84 1LE
Ive read that, specifically it says "modified or add on" which exh manifolds are not an add on, nor modified.Of course the final call is to the discretion of the ref.
As far as I know EO certification is for aftermarket, not OE parts.
OE LS7 manifolds (for example,) are not certified for anything except a C6 or C7 chassis behind an LS7. Even then, if 2006 LS7 manifolds were a one-year part, they're not certified for a 2008 LS7 C7.
In the case of using OEM manifolds with a certified combination, that would be a CARB referee station approved circumstance. You could have everything perfectly matching a 2006 LS2 Corvette, and 2006 LS7 manifolds would need referee station approval. Usually in the case of exhaust changes, reasonable consideration is usually given due to fitment issues.
An EO cert. is a little different, but they are still a certification of a product on a particular group of parts. In other words, you probably will never find a header that's actually certified for any 4.8 through 7.0 from any year. But, if a part has an EO, it's probably going to be given a lot more accomodation by a referee on a unique (read: non-matching the EO cert.) LS swap than a non-EO part.
Did you use one of the connect and cruise 4l65e transmissions from GM? Do they set that trans up to do a full throttle 3-4 upshift or do you have to program the trans controller to do that?
Yes, The TCU has (A/B) calibration.Outside of that, you can access the TCU via a usb port to change shift points & other parameters.I haven't done any of that.Just played around with street/A & perf/B features.Which is just a ground wire you disable.
Ill put it this way, when I see "LS style manifold" i think OE, NOT aftermarket.If you drive to the ref with any aftermarket manifold (or header), none of which have an EO for the e-rod) it is an automatic fail.Your chances are better with an OE manifold.
Only one header (patriot) is EO cert for the e-rod specifically, but it doesn't fit the 3rd gens either.Since its configured like the manifolds that come with the e-rod.
So, interpret the literature as best you can, since the OEs are somewhat vague about clarifying this ****.
I'm using 4th gen manifolds, but I haven't been to the ref yet.Gotta do a 500 mile break in, then a "(CASE) learn" procedure at the dealer, then a "prep drive procedure".After that, off to the ref station.
Did you use one of the connect and cruise 4l65e transmissions from GM? Do they set that trans up to do a full throttle 3-4 upshift or do you have to program the trans controller to do that?
How is the shift quality with that trans? Is it still stock soft or did GM give it firmer shifts?
That's great! Lol as you can tell I'm looking hard in to installing this kit. Your car looks great and as others have mentioned it's a very clean install. Looks like the factory installed it. If only thirdgens came with 400hp+ stock lol.
The kit comes w/ a charcoal can, identical to 4th gen f-bodies.There is only a purge solenoid to control vacuum, that's it, pretty old school.I mounted mine under the air filter.
E-rod harness has a redundant MIL wire, which allows you to run a interior MIL.Mine is in the OE location.There is also a MIL in the fusebox.
