hi im thinking about gettin the sneeky pete syetem for now from jegs and gettin a 10lb of nitrous so i could hold more. will the 10lb have to high of pressure and kill the system or will it be okay and with the sneeky pete will it giveme that 2-3 mph gain and whatnot with that little 10oz bottle and if i change it to the 10lb will i be able to get the mph up alittle more. please respond with ur info thanx.

 

and what safety stuff will i need if i get the 10lb bottle becuz i dont want it to blow on me when i take my car to the track.

 

I have wondered the same things before. I would think that the solenoid would get stuck from too much pressure.

 

i wrote to NOS and they said u can put a 10lb bottle on it and they didnt say anything about the pressure being to strong of anything and i asked them about that too.

 

Size of the bottle has nothing to do with pressure and most of the solenoids are small, the bottle size just allows you to spray more juice more frequently before running out, a heater and purge setup can be used to regulate pressure.

 

Hey Z28, do you wanna make a bet? I will lay down a $1000 that says we could take 2 identical cars, and put a kit on it, one with a 10lb bottle and one with a 15lb bottle. I would beat you by alteast 5 cars!!!!
Bottle pressure is everything when it comes to nitrous, a 15lb holds higher pressure at a longer distance, while the 10lb would begin to fall out. All a sneaky pete is, is a little 10oz bottle which is a waste, some line, and a powershot solinoid, you might as well just piece one together yourself. Try Ebay, they have alot of nitrous stuff for sale


Nitrous Genuis Racing

 

Hmm so we're going to run an equal jet on both cars, pressure being the same and your expecting the 15lb to make more power cause the bottle has more in it ? wtf ? sorry jets make more power not a higher volume of nitrous in the tank, now if you trying to run a high shot of nitrous and the 10 runs out first it makes sense, but more nitrous in the tank isnt going to help it make more power.

 

Then what is the point of a bottle heater? cause you bottle gets to cold and you dont want it to get sick? It keeps the pressure up, why do you think people wait before they make one nitrous run after another? cause there car will be a turd on the 2nd run, cause there is no pressure. Can I ask how you got to be a moderator? I thought you had to have some type of knowledge?

Where do find some of these people Racing

 

I don't understand the problem you two are having. the bottles are rated for what they hold not the pressure. of course the 15 will hold pressure longer but, it will not be more presure than the 10 or you would need to tell nos what bottle you had when you select jet sizes. the 10 only gets 2/3 the runs a 15 gets it is just that simple. the warmer just keeps it at the ideal pressure vs temp due to the coolong effect of the gasses leaving from a pressurized state to none presurized. for the fact they are suppoused to be at aprox. 900psi bottle pressure

 

I understand that, but what I am saying is that a 15lb bottle will hold its pressure longer on a run, then a 10lb bottle, thus more consistant pressure during the 1/4 mile run a faster time. You can get more then 2/3 runs out of a bottle if you wanted too, I dont cause I always keep mine topped off, but they say for every 10 seconds if your are spraying 150hp you lose a pound!!!


Not arguing, Just making a point Racing

 

Jucingta,

It's does not matter on the bottle size, 900psi is 900psi, the volume is the only factor!

Quoted by jucinGTA: Bottle pressure is everything when it comes to nitrous, a 15lb holds higher pressure..., sorry but NO, it holds the SAME pressure, but like you said, the pressure will not drop off as fast, due to more volume, and the only time there would be a difference in the amount of pressure drop is when the bottles are becoming empty.

Hoping to clarify things racing

later
larry

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(713) 898-1795 Talk to john designer and business distributor of NX www.nitrouswarehouse.com
ask him will I go faster with a bigger bottle?
watch what he says!!!

 

I know what you are saying and to a point you are 100% right but, you seem to forget that the 10lb vs 15lb is the same till the 10lb runs low. the whole disagrement was on size not who has the highest psi with 1\4 bottle left. this should just be dropped.

 

In answer to the very original question yes it will work same psi the shot will keep max psi the whole run so you may have some jet frezzing problems. I have no Idea how big of a shot it is. you may need to add fuel I would not know.

 

Looks like you were just a little wrong juicin, now if you were saying on some setup that would use more than a 10 lb bottle in 1 race you would have a point, but pressure is pressure, heater to heat it back up to optimum press, end of story.

 

What I said is 2 indentical cars, 1 with a 10lb bottle and 1 with a 15lb, if im in the 15lb car I will win. That was simple.

 

But there is no evidence that the full 15 pound bottle equipped car will beat the full 10 pound bottle equipped car. If they both have a bottle heater on it, and run identical pressures, then you will get identical runs if it were an identical launch and shift through the 1/4.

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I bet the 10 lb car will win because it is lighter. Jucin needs to stop smoking

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AFPR,Lakewood lcas
Hurst linelock,SLP cam (206 212 .480 .486),relocated battery,cold air,Hypertech chip,centerforce df,clutch
poly bushings and mounts
AFR 190s
Harland sharp 1.5 rockers
autopower rollbar

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GoFasterFirebird


J/K Hey if you dont believe then owell, call up NX ask them yourselfs, man I was told by them that this is true.



[This message has been edited by JucinGTA (edited September 13, 2001).]

 

i hate to burst your bubble, but a full 15lb bottle with 150hp jets WILL NOT make more hp than a full 10lb bottle with 150hp jets. like it was said before, pressure is pressure, no matter how big the bottle is. the ONLY advantage between a 15lb'er is you get a few more sprays per bottle. the jets are what regulate how much nos is entering the motor, not the bottle size. 5 car length advantage because of a 15lb bottle, thats the stupidest remark i have ever heard. the only way to make more power is to introduce more nos into the car, which you do by changing jets.

 

i say who your talking to at NX is smoking crack or something

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Hi my name is John Stewart; Founder, Ex-CEO, Ex-Pres, and now THE WORLD'S LARGEST DISTRIBUTOR of Nitrous Express. The things that Jucin has said are correct and I am willing to go in on that bet Jucin......You put up 500.00 and I will put in 500.00. If you want to run the engine fat with the 10lb while we run it perfect with the 15lb go ahead (bottle heater always has to be used 10 or 15lb to keep appropriate pressure) If you have 2 identical cars, identical bottle pressure psi, using the Nx Automatic Bottle Heater, identical nitrous systems, identical HP settings, BUT one has a 10lb bottle and the other has a 15lb bottle, .....100% of the time the 15lb bottle WILL Win !!!! The reason why is because the pressure stays higher in high gear and won't drop off as hard on the 15lb bottle. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT!!!! .....BUT that only works for the REAL Racers with REAL Nitrous kits. You know..... something with engineering (NOT NOS). If you want to discuss this further feel free to call me at (713) 898-1795 or e-mail your phone number and I will call you ( jstewart@sbcglobal.net )

John Stewart A.K.A. Mr. Nitrous Oxide

 

ttt

 

Has anyone heard that you should fill up with gas when it is cold out? This is b/c the fuel is more dense when its cold, and the pumps measure volume, not density. We all know that denser fuel is better for performance. The same applies for NOS. When it is cold, cold below its normal sub-zero temp., the molecules move around less, so there is more room for more molecules for the same area. Although the response from Mr. Stewart didn't have any supporting facts, I found some. Essentialy, the 15lb. bottle would run the same b/c the gas inside is at the same pressure as the 10lb. bottle say 1200psi. Mr. Stewart mentioned that it would not fall off in high gear as hard as the 10lb. would. I don't see how that has anything to do with it. It would take more heat to keep the 15lb. bottle at 1200psi, that the 10lb. bottle. Example: If it took 5 jules to heat the 10lb., it may be 9 jules to heat the 15lb. So in essance the density would be the same. Now, the 15lb. would start to win once the 10lb. lost enough gas that it could no longer maintain the 1200psi. There is a line where there has to be a certain amount of gas the keep a certain pressure. Once this line crossed, the gas would be a fine mist, and not a fog, the density is now very low, but the pressure would still be able to stay high, but not equal to the 15lb. bottle. This is all learned from physics class. And on a side note, no one will ever have to identical cars to do a test like this. If we get technical enough to justify the amount of heat it takes to keep a certain pressure. Then we might want to look into the affects the humidity, and time would have on the grease in the wheel bearings in between rounds. LOL.



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Yes you could get 2 indentical cars, that r brand new, and have a bracket racer drive both!!!

 

Why do the nine second cars I see have only 10 lb bottles? Why don't those guys know what JUCIN knows? I am going to get a 50 pound bottle so I can go 11's.

btw it is "joules"

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1991 Firebird
350 L98 (was a 305 TBI),T-5,Edelbrock TES and cat back,Accel manifold
NOS,subframes,jegster torque arm,MSD Digital 6
AFPR,Lakewood lcas
Hurst linelock,SLP cam (206 212 .480 .486),relocated battery,cold air,Hypertech chip,centerforce df,clutch
poly bushings and mounts
AFR 190s
Harland sharp 1.5 rockers
autopower rollbar

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juicinGTA, Even 2 new cars will be different. Like I said, if we need to go so technical as to look into the heat needed, then consider that 2 years ago when the pinion seal was manufactured for both of these identical new cars, one was dropped harder into the box going to Chevrolet than the other. This then made the rubber part of the seal distort by .0002 inches. This creates more friction and thus slows the car by .0000000000000005 mph, which translates into .0000000012345 seconds slower. Ooops, they are not identical anymore.
GoFaster-
Your right. All the ones I have seen have 10lb bottles. I believe, again this is just I, but they probably refill after each run, so that is how they can stay consistant.



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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28


350, T-5, K&N, Ported Vortec heads, Edelbrock RPM, Holley 750 D.P., HEI, 11.07:1 CR, Comp Cams Roller-.510"/.520"-282*/288* dur., Shorty Headers, Dual 2.5 Exhaust,Dynomax Bullet Mufflers, T&R Motorsports custom air intake

 

Well its not like it would be a fender race, it would win by more then 2 cars!!!

 

Look if they want to have this stupid pointless conversation let them .......I have the numbers .....I have been in this long enough to know. No matter what is said this is a message board and they go there to argue. Not To Learn. If they want to give up the money at the track to a 15 lb bottle......More money for me.!!! It is to our benefit that they are uneducated. I have seen the results time after time.

Thanx, John Stewart

 

Juicin,
I don't want to argue over this. This doesn't even concern me. Take which ever bottle you want. I have learned. I have learned through physics what I want to know. John has his choice and so do you. If you want the 15lb. bottle, so be it.



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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28


350, T-5, K&N, Ported Vortec heads, Edelbrock RPM, Holley 750 D.P., HEI, 11.07:1 CR, Comp Cams Roller-.510"/.520"-282*/288* dur., Shorty Headers, Dual 2.5 Exhaust,Dynomax Bullet Mufflers, T&R Motorsports custom air intake

 

moderator, please please delete this insane posting. Jucin just doesn't know and may never.

 

Whatever dude its a "PUBLIC" forum and Im not writing anything but the facts unlike yourself.