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You could also mount them underneath the car. Like the STS rear mount turbos.
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i dont see why you would have to cut the hood at all? your turbos are located where the banks manifolds put them, and those had t4 housings....?
i think your gates should be done like the banks manifolds too. right on the front of the manifolds. 38's or 44's placed there should take care of the issue, imo.
i think your gates should be done like the banks manifolds too. right on the front of the manifolds. 38's or 44's placed there should take care of the issue, imo.
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i dont see why you would have to cut the hood at all? your turbos are located where the banks manifolds put them, and those had t4 housings....?
i think your gates should be done like the banks manifolds too. right on the front of the manifolds. 38's or 44's placed there should take care of the issue, imo.
i think your gates should be done like the banks manifolds too. right on the front of the manifolds. 38's or 44's placed there should take care of the issue, imo.
im using 38's now , moving the driverside wg to the front of the manifold is easy , ill have to take a closer look at the passenger side and see if the alternator is in the way
i didnt expect the new heads/cam intake combo to cause so many new issues with the turbo setup , with the stock heads tpi and old cam , the setup worked great and would control boost down to 5/6 psi
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the entire car is being parted out let me know if ur interested in anything on it.
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I hope health wise you work things out. I know from personal experience that when these things happen it can be a huge drain both emotionally and financially.
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Damn Dave, sorry to hear that. Hope all turns out well for you. I would offer to buy some stuff to help you out but I don't think I will have any decent funds any time soon. Besides one of those turbos would be wayy too big for a 2.8 lol.
Anyways, hope everything works out for you man, and thanks for the help with my build. I will have some videos soon hopefully.
Anyways, hope everything works out for you man, and thanks for the help with my build. I will have some videos soon hopefully.
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thanks man
i tried writting up a list of everything but i just couldnt do it for now, cars like one of the family, and been a few years in the making ,
over the next few days ill put together a list but for now if u browse threw the thread u can see most of whats in the car
its been a rough day and a good friend of mine is comming over in a few hours to take it over to his shop so the turbo system and engine can be pulled
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Damn Dave, sorry to hear that. Hope all turns out well for you. I would offer to buy some stuff to help you out but I don't think I will have any decent funds any time soon. Besides one of those turbos would be wayy too big for a 2.8 lol.
Anyways, hope everything works out for you man, and thanks for the help with my build. I will have some videos soon hopefully.
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it has gt3076's on it still same turbo that fasteddi started with on his car
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im curious to what u guys think to what the car itself would be worth if
i stuck a 700r4/stock 350 carb combo in it and finished the paint and body work on the car
i already have ebrythign including the piant to do that but not sure it would be worth the effort to keep the engine and turbo related stuff as im sure thats were most of the value is.
but would atleast allow me to hold onto the engine/turbo stuff if my situation gets good enough were i can have a toy again
i stuck a 700r4/stock 350 carb combo in it and finished the paint and body work on the car
i already have ebrythign including the piant to do that but not sure it would be worth the effort to keep the engine and turbo related stuff as im sure thats were most of the value is.
but would atleast allow me to hold onto the engine/turbo stuff if my situation gets good enough were i can have a toy again
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Didn't see this. Damn bro, hope everything works out for you. Got me thinking about that ebay HSR setup now that I essentially have a cowl hood to race with, too...
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I was gonna do slp runners tpi on mine but they go for 250 used and that hsr is only few bucks more. I didnt want to bypass emissions tho, trying to keep the car as original as possible. Hsr make more power tho with my mild cam. Tough call. Hsr is easier to work on
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I was gonna do slp runners tpi on mine but they go for 250 used and that hsr is only few bucks more. I didnt want to bypass emissions tho, trying to keep the car as original as possible. Hsr make more power tho with my mild cam. Tough call. Hsr is easier to work on..
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Thats alot of work lol if i plan on driving this more than 5k miles a yr i need to figure out something. Likely just gonna stay tpi and maybe make my own large tube runners
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the car is sitting at my friends shop , it needs a few odds and ends that i cant afford right now, but things are looking like they will be ok for now so the car/engine/turbo stuff isnt going anywere, atleast for the time being
ill keep ya guys updated as things progress
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Good thing about emissions is that the catlytic converter is the only device that needs to stay in the original location from a visual perspective. We can run EGR off of the exhaust primary like the V6 engines, and fabricate a 2" to 3"plate that sandwhiches between the throttle body and HSR plenum with an EGR flange welded into it, then run it that way...
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Can't do that if he is concerned about emissions, because yes the EGR will work, but then the PCV and Charcoal Canister system becomes compromised because those large vacuum ports belong to them. Best bet would be to get a used nitrous plate from an old kit, then drill and tap for a fitting of similar size. Could always just drill and tap the HSR plenum itself too, but then it would ruin the plenum...
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Can't do that if he is concerned about emissions, because yes the EGR will work, but then the PCV and Charcoal Canister system becomes compromised because those large vacuum ports belong to them. Best bet would be to get a used nitrous plate from an old kit, then drill and tap for a fitting of similar size. Could always just drill and tap the HSR plenum itself too, but then it would ruin the plenum...
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Glad to hear that you won't be selling it anytime soon! Ive been reading your Dart Copies (https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...cc-64cc-3.html) and your $3500 build (https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech...-353sbc-4.html) threads and I get here to read the bad news. I was sad like it happened to me lol but glad things are looking up brother. These cars are hard to part with. I know, I'm on my 4th one. Keep on keeping on man, good work.
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thanks the car has been preped for winter , if all goes well and no complications to my situation arise ill have her back out in the spring time
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Awesome brother, glad to hear. I do have a question regarding the assault racing heads you used. Your thread intrigued me and I've added a set to my cart on ebay. This is my first experience with aluminum heads and figured I'd start on a fairly good and cheap pair as opposed to buying a set of Edelbrock, Trickflow, etc. and potentially messing them up. But before I purchase, I would like to know, did you mix and match your valvetrain parts or buy them all in a kit? Where did you purchase them? I have ZERO experience with cylinder head assembly and do not know where to start. I however will NOT be doing my own head assembly, only watching and learning. I just would like to know what parts or the right kit so I will have everything to get them assembled. I was doing basic back and forth searching as far as finding out the valve diameter and searching for that diameter on summit. Got brain wracking. Here are the heads to-be. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-Chevy-200cc-Bare-Aluminum-Cylinder-Heads-64cc-Straight-Plug-Small-Block-350-/390487976745?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5aeae5ab29&vxp=mtr And sorry for the long post.
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i mixed and matched from ebay and summit , but all brand name stuff , if u contact the seller u can order them assembled with good parts , i think the cheap assembled ones come with procomp parts , then he has versions ith manley valves and comp cams springs
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oh btw my only compliant about thos eheads and not even a big deal , is the factory sending unit for the temp gauge wont screw into the heads , wasnt a big deal i ust screwed it into my intake
if u do order ur own valve compnonets u need +.100 valves in 2.02/1.60 sizes , the heads will fit a 2.05 valve as well , but require minor machine work for the valve seats so just stick with 2.02 intake valves.
if u use a hyd flt tappet cam u need +.100 pushrods as well
if u do order ur own valve compnonets u need +.100 valves in 2.02/1.60 sizes , the heads will fit a 2.05 valve as well , but require minor machine work for the valve seats so just stick with 2.02 intake valves.
if u use a hyd flt tappet cam u need +.100 pushrods as well
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oh btw my only compliant about thos eheads and not even a big deal , is the factory sending unit for the temp gauge wont screw into the heads , wasnt a big deal i ust screwed it into my intake
if u do order ur own valve compnonets u need +.100 valves in 2.02/1.60 sizes , the heads will fit a 2.05 valve as well , but require minor machine work for the valve seats so just stick with 2.02 intake valves.
if u use a hyd flt tappet cam u need +.100 pushrods as well
if u do order ur own valve compnonets u need +.100 valves in 2.02/1.60 sizes , the heads will fit a 2.05 valve as well , but require minor machine work for the valve seats so just stick with 2.02 intake valves.
if u use a hyd flt tappet cam u need +.100 pushrods as well
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couldnt tell ya since i didnt use a roller cam
, i almost forgot spend a lil extra money an dbuy adjustable guide plates , the valve location is not stock on these heads , its moved .030 stock guideplates will be good enough but not perfect. if u want 100% perfect u need the adjustable plates, they are only a few bucks more then the standard plates
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Thank you so much man! Researching parts now! I appreciate your willingness to help. Anything else you think of, use holler at me! Thank you again and God bless.
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wont be on much for the next few days as im about to hea dout of state to nevada for a few days but if i think of anything else ill let ya know
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if all goes well and no complications to my situation arise ill have her back out in the spring time...
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i should have a a nice surprise tommorow or sunday night
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Looks good Dave, what size tires are you running front and back? Hesitating myself from putting the 315's on a 9.5" rim, as the minimum calls for 10.5", but we'll see what happens at this point. Any other mods done to your car...?
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255's on the back. 225's oj the front for street tires
15x4 fronts. And a 29x10.5 rear slick on the track
15x4 fronts. And a 29x10.5 rear slick on the track
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Thnx still at the shop broke one of the tbolt clamps and dont have a dpare
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cars home , encoding the video and ill upload it to youtube when its done.
ive got some funky issue as the car is running super rich in this cool air , and yes i almost ran out of gas on the way home. #1 thing to do now is fix the gas gauge
ive got some funky issue as the car is running super rich in this cool air , and yes i almost ran out of gas on the way home. #1 thing to do now is fix the gas gauge
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crappy night time video
got the laptop out and its my airtemp sensor causing the super rich condition again realy need to figure that one out , not sure if its the sensor or something in the circut on the ms board going bad causing it
tuesday ill have my new tbolt clamps so i wont have that massive boost leak and i can take some new good videos
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sigh im starting to hate this thing again, i take the car out to run some errands in town , stop at the gas station shut the car off fill up and one of the owner of the shop i get all my tubing bent at pulls in.he hasnt seen the new engine or setup yet so he come over to check it out.
of course i go to fire it up and i get no start fouled all the plugs out finally get it running and limp the car back home, i gota get some hotter plugs for it till i can dial the tune in a lil better
of course i go to fire it up and i get no start fouled all the plugs out finally get it running and limp the car back home, i gota get some hotter plugs for it till i can dial the tune in a lil better
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Hang in there bro, it definitely gets frustrating. If you were local we would definitely give you a hand with it. You need to come back to New Jersey, Utah seems to not be good to/for you lol...
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lol its pretty good to me its just the dumb lil **** with the car thats pissing me off. i may be coming home with a mustang tomorrow.
dont worry its a v6 mustang with a cobra body kit , the v6 is getting yanked and either getting replaced with a sbc/turbo or a 3.4 turbo combo, or god knows what ill put in it, dont know yet the only thing i do know for sure is it wont be a ford engine
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trans is comming out for the last time ive just had it , im taking a th350 i have on the shelf andgoing to build that over the winter till i can save up for a built 4l80 and everything i need to swap it in
could use some help on what clutches and the best places to buy from though, used to just buy all my stuff from summit but i know theres better cheaper options out there
could use some help on what clutches and the best places to buy from though, used to just buy all my stuff from summit but i know theres better cheaper options out there
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should be working onthe transmission some here in the morning , other then that ive only worked on the car 30mins to an hour each day the past few days just tidying up some stuff, if i feel good enough after the tearing down the th350 thats going in the car , ill prolbably hookup the turbo to intercoole rpipe and take it out for a a small ride to get get some decent daytime vids for u guys
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ill prolbably hookup the turbo to intercoole rpipe and take it out for a a small ride to get get some decent daytime vids for u guys
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got the th350c torn down so i could steal the output shaft and tail housing from it.
waiting to hear back from dana on some stuff for the th350 , but i know im getting a lightwieght vega sunshell and manual valve body for it , along with the clutches band and whatever else i need


waiting to hear back from dana on some stuff for the th350 , but i know im getting a lightwieght vega sunshell and manual valve body for it , along with the clutches band and whatever else i need


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its on now fellas , just placed my order for the chute + a fuel system capable of supporting 1800 hp , if i ever have a fueling issue with this car i will scream and then proceed to burn it to the ground
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Car: 89 Camaro RS running MS2X
Engine: .48/.60AR T3/T4 2.8L V6
Transmission: Rebuilt 700R4 2500 stall
Axle/Gears: Next to break...
Lol, that last sentence sounded like me dealing with that misfire before the turbo went on, lol.
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From: Utah
Car: 89 RS 89 iroc 87 firebird
Engine: 3.1 Turbo/ 355 twin turbo
Transmission: a4 w/ 4500 stall/ a4 / t5
Axle/Gears: strange s60 /w 3:42's
Re: and so it starts
holley 12-1800 pump shipped today for those of u that dont know this is a self contained dual pump setup , best part is i dont have to sump the fuel tank , i just need to figure out how to get the pump inside the tank lol
then pop a 10an bulkhead in the top of the tank for the feed

still need to purchase a bunch of line but u cant decide on if i want solid lines or just do steel braided
fuel rails are being upgraded to -10's i want absolutly no restriction anywere on the feed side ofthings as i plan on running e85 at the track , and pumpgas/meth on the street since i cant buy e85 locally
diest chute shipped , its a lil underrated for the car but its just to get me past the tech guys
trying to decide if i want to buy a methanol injection kit or piece my own together , u guys have any suggestions ???










