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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:24 AM
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Hurt the 305

Well seems that I have hurt my 305. Took it to the test and tune last night. Racing a Civic, pushed it to 5,500+, suddenly lost alot of power, and picked up a miss. Will have to post pictures when I strip it down. From the initial appearance, I a have blown a head gasket. No mechanical noise or chunks of metall, but milky looking oil, and lower than normal compression in cylinder 5 and 7.

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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:28 AM
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dude, that sucks. hope everything turns out to be ok, other than your head gasket.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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I look at it this way though, it gives me a chance to put on my newest pair of 193s onto it. It will reduce my compression from 10.3:1 down to about 9.4:1.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:37 AM
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thats a pretty good drop in compression. do you think you'll lose much power? how ported are those 193s......cuz knowing you they have pretty extensive porting. i definately should have ported mine a lot more. i even had them off over thanksgiving break and i didn't think to do it.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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thats a pretty good drop in compression. do you think you'll lose much power? how ported are those 193s......cuz knowing you they have pretty extensive porting. i definately should have ported mine a lot more. i even had them off over thanksgiving break and i didn't think to do it.
Nah, I have had a pair of stock 187 305 TBI heads on it since the begining of January. The Ported 193s will give me alot more power. The drop in compression is needed though. I am having some problems even on 93 octane when the engine is pulling hard. I am thinking that I will be able to get away with 87 octane with the right advance curve.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:52 AM
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well then bonus that you'll end up w/ more power. can't go wrong with that. still sucks changing out heads in the frame though...........and it especially looks fun doing it in a full size van.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:58 AM
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well then bonus that you'll end up w/ more power. can't go wrong with that. still sucks changing out heads in the frame though...........and it especially looks fun doing it in a full size van.
The 1994 300 Ford I6 that I did at work took longer than it takes me to swap both heads. Mainly because those fords are BS to work on. I would rather lay over a seat than a fender anyday. Its not as bad as it looks.

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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 07:14 AM
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Good luck Fast and I can't wait to see what else you can do with that van
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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I would rather lay over a seat than a fender anyday. Its not as bad as it looks.
Working indoors can be a real treat during winter or heavy rain.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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5,500 rpms and thats all it took? (I understand they start losing power around 4) But i've taken mine to 6,000 on accident (tires spinning) with no problem..
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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5,500 rpms and thats all it took? (I understand they start losing power around 4) But i've taken mine to 6,000 on accident (tires spinning) with no problem..
No, I have taken this engine to 6,500 rpm alot of times and used NO2 too many times to count. This was a NO2 pass. 400 FWHP is alot to ask for a head gasket that is not sitting properly. Guess what the stock 187 head is the restriction that chokes it at about 5,000 rpm, but I still take it out to 5,500. The NO2 is LIKELY the culprit that blew the gasket. Either that or the 187s that I put on in January were warped.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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The postmortem! I started at 12:00 today and got finished at 3:30. 3.5 hrs=not bad at all for both heads in a van. Well the engine had a blown head gasket between 5 and 7. Number 7 had a burned exhaust valve. Both heads had cracks in them????

As always I am short on time as well as, I am tired of messing with this 305 and any rebuilt engine for that matter. I am going with a GM Goodwrench HD 350 TBI crate engine for medium duty trucks. Thats right a Motorhome/Dumptruck/Schoolbus engine is going into my van. It has a forged crank, forged rods, 4 bolt mains, RV type cam, Swirl Port heads with oversized exhaust valve stems and sodium filled exhaust valves, larger diameter pushrods, 8.7:1 compression ratio, 210 FWHP @ 3,800 and 315 ft/lbs @ 2,800. I am using my Edelbrock 3704 intake, stock sized ultimate TBI moded TBI, low-restriction exhaust, stock air cleaner and intake assembly, K&N filter, eliminated the clutch fan, underdrive crank pulley, and a custom tune on the EBL. It should make around 235-240 FWHP @ 4,500 and 340 ft/lbs @ 2,800. It is rated to pull up to 20,000 lbs GVW on 89 octane gas. It comes with a 3yr/100,000 mile warrenty, all the tin, a harmonic balancer, a $100.00 rebate on the core charge, and the local dealer has one in stock for $1740.00. Don't hold your breath, they have been discontinued and this is one of the leftovers.

12514811 5.7L 350 (HD) medium duty truck 4 bolt main One Piece Seal, Steel Crank is what Sallee chevrolet had to say about them.



















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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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that should be a good long lasting engine. those sodium exhaust vavles aren't cheap. i put a set in some 429 ford truck heads that i did a valve job on, and they were like i think 60 bucks a piece.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by 89stroker
that should be a good long lasting engine. those sodium exhaust vavles aren't cheap. i put a set in some 429 ford truck heads that i did a valve job on, and they were like i think 60 bucks a piece.
That was my thought when I saw the information about it. The warrenty is worth it IMO. Called the dealer yesterday to see if I could still get one and they said sure. There are 5 in the DFW metroplex and my local dealer has one that they are holding for me. I am picking it up tommorrow night after work.

If it can see sustained WOT in a 66 passenger school bus full of kids for 100,000+ miles, I doubt I can hurt it, short of over-reving it. Over-revving it would be kinda hard though as it probably won't have much left at 5,000+ and I can dial in the fuel shut-off at whatever the recomeended max RPM is from chevrolet. Should be around 5,200 rpm or so. I'll probably set up the governor to shift it around 4,800.
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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 09:42 PM
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ya that will be a hell of an engine. good and stock and strong.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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What happened with this:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=340412
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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What happened with this:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=340412
There was another thread that he said he sold that motor because someone offered him a good deal more than what he bought it for.

Are your ported 193's going on the next motor or would you be intrested in selling them? *dibs*
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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i accidently put my camaro to 6,000 today. This 4 cylinder s10 blazed by me going about 40 when i was going 15 and i dropped it into first.. and i glanced over at his truck forgetting i put it in 1st . I then happened to glance at my rpms and i said ****! it shifted into second real hard.. I felt bad for my ole' maro Yea.. i felt like a tard.. but i was happy it was ok.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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when my tranny was going out, i was on the interstate doin about 85, and it double shifted down into 2nd gear, and rapped my stock LO5 to over 6000. i almost pooped. the next day it wouldn't shift out of first. these motors can take crap like no other.
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