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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 05:45 PM
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Air Pump Pully Bypass? Is There A Kit?

I REMOVED ALL THE AIR PUMP HOSES AND VALVES THAT RUN TO THE CAT AND EXAUST MANIFOLDS. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE AIRPUMP, BUT IT SEEMS INPOSSIBLE FOR THE BELT TO CLEAR THE PULLEYS IF I DO. I HAVE A,C AND WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE COMPRESSOR, BUT REMOVE THE AIR PUMP. IS THERE A WAY TO RE-ROUTE THE BELT, OR EVEN BETTER, IS THERE A KIT FOR THIS JOB.

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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 06:01 PM
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smog pumps........

If you are talking about the smog pump, then if you removed the lines going to the cat, then you need to remove the cat too. not emmisoins legal, but necessary if you have cut off the air suply. Your cat needs the air from the smog pump to burn the raw fuel, thats the purpose of the whole thing. In time with the smog pump not functioning the cat wil clog and give you problems, so keep all this in mind. Now kinda silly I guess, but what a lot of guys used to do on the older V8s with smog, is take the air feed from the pump and route it to the intake for a lil extra power, but I'm not sure if this helps or not, but since you are messin with it, maybe try it for a laugh. why not, its a $5 hose that you can buy from any parts store.. Just remember to do something about the cat.......!!!!

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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 09:09 PM
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Re: smog pumps........

Originally posted by azalbutt
Your cat needs the air from the smog pump to burn the raw fuel, thats the purpose of the whole thing. In time with the smog pump not functioning the cat wil clog and give you problems


Are you sure about that?
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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 11:09 PM
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Yes, if you have a Cat that has an air inlet, with out the air coming in, it will clog up.. There are some cats that do not have a air inlet.. But I'm not sure if they would still work in a car that had the air pump system...
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 03:20 AM
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Kinda sticky subject

Well I'm absolutly sure because I used to work for an emissions testing shop in AZ. If the car has a cat, then it will usually have Some ways of pumping air into the exhaust. Where it connects, does not matter, but yours probably connects to the cat itself.. some connect to the exhaust manifold, tail pipe and thats about it. As far as a kit, you may be looking at a custom job by a good welder, or you can take the old smogpump out and gut it. This is possible, but make sure you have 45-65 bucks incase you screw the thing up so bad it wont turn again. Really the smog pump has very little restriction on your drive, and may rob a whopping 2 HP, but you'd be better off just reconnecting everything and leave that the way it was.. If your looking for power, get an underdrive pully set, and it should even have one for your pump. Cold air intake is a $40 job you can do and make yourself with the help of a 3" tube and cone airfilter. A good cam for $150 can add up to 35 hp and last but not least, if you ARE looking for great HP gains, blow the thing with a supercharger kit. Go to EBAY, they have em everywhere. Little fabrication and talking to the right people, you can supercharge any engine for under $500 contrary to belief.

By the way, don't ask about turbo's because I a have no idea, except for the fact that I prefer a supercharge over them because there's instant power for the take off that we are all looking for. Turbo's are great if you tryin to go 180mph because they stink at low end ranges, but kick in hard and heavy at high RPMs. They really do. A charger will be there whenever you need it, and if you put more boost than a small charger puts out into your engine, you'll blow it to peices...

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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 04:43 AM
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new belt routing, i needed a 2 inch bigger belt i believe.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by FastElectrics
Yes, if you have a Cat that has an air inlet, with out the air coming in, it will clog up.. There are some cats that do not have a air inlet.. But I'm not sure if they would still work in a car that had the air pump system...
When I removed mine I capped off my cat-co with a plug and I was assured by numerous people that this would have no ill effect on my cat. Multiple exhaust/race shops verified this to me as well.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 01:04 PM
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I have had mine capped for 3 years now. Car passes emissions tests and drive perfect.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 02:13 PM
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A longer belt will clear the other pullies fine. If you ever get rid of the AC you can route your belt like I have mine. 50'' serpentine belt with no pass side bracket at all
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 03:44 PM
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cats and pumps

slowly it will clog. get a highpass cat if you want, that will help your gains. remember that you are doing all of this to gain 2-3 HP by bypassing the pump. A/C, Alt, water pump (if it's belt driven), and stearing pump all draw considerably more power from your belt than your air pump. All it does is puff. not like you could even inflat a blow up doll with it. Thats how little it does. The cat is there to burn excess fuel, fuel needs fresh air. Maybe 5 years give or take a year you wont notice a difference, but rest assured when your car starts to run a little rich from wear and tear, or spark plugs wearing, your cat will plug up as soon as it does start running rich. Then again, maybe all the HOTROD guys say it wont, but be honest, how often are they tearing their engine apart either to tinker or to rebuild it. I like cars with power too, but I don't like ripping into the every couple of years because I wanted a few more horsies ya know. Think of the long run, and see whether something more permanant would last longer and give you more gain as will...........
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by 88Camaro350
A longer belt will clear the other pullies fine. If you ever get rid of the AC you can route your belt like I have mine. 50'' serpentine belt with no pass side bracket at all
How do you tension the belt?
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 07:20 PM
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I used a piece from an old style alt bracket...I need some pictures. I can't really explain it without pictures.

Remove the damn cat to if you worried about it clogging because of the smog pump tube being blocked...if you can remove it chances are you dont have emissions so do away with the cat and never worry about it again.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 07:35 PM
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yeah, afaik FL has no emissions. just take out the cat, or at least gut it.
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 03:14 PM
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lol, nice art work guys. LMAO
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:59 AM
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FORGET THE CAT.

OK GUYS, LETS TAKE THE FOCUS OFF OF THE CAT FOR JUST A SECOND. OBVIOUSLY, IF IM GOING TO REMOVE THE "SMOG" PUMP AND ALL OF ITS COMPONENTS; I ALSO WILL BE REMOVING ANY OTHER EMISSIONS RELATED ITEMS. LIKE THE CAT. MY POINT WAS, HOW CAN I GET RID OF THAT UGLY SMOG PUMP, AND RE-ROUTE THE BELT? I WANT TO CLEAN UP THE ENGINE BAY. THANKS
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 08:06 AM
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Paul, there's a tech article on this site about it. I used that method and it worked perfect for me. You will need a longer belt. Mine was a little different that the belt length specified in the article but none the less, it all worked well...
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 01:07 PM
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Just take the smog pump out...get a longer belt and thats it. Thats all there is to it.
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