I made a new post [[too much stuff to read threw on old one]]

I have SES light when I turn the key stays on..I dont have any spark

and the SES is there even when I clear the computer.

it happened all of a sudden when I was driving 25-30 mph and it just died and SES light stayed on

good or new Plugs/cap/rotor/wires/coil/
I installed MSD but it wont work with that either

Can Someone PLEASE HELP???

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Hecubus
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"I spent all my money on race cars, beer, and Broads... The Rest I wasted"

 

Are you 100% sure about the coil being good?

 

Ok I saw your last post about the new coil.. I hate to say it but something might be wrong with your distributor if you are only getting spark every once in a while...

 

ok I thought that might be one possibility

Am I just seeing things or dose the SES light come on with the key turned in the on position??? I think that I'm just wanting to see things I dunno

how can I test that theroy of the distributor being bad??
...ohh ya and I tested both coils that I had new and old and nothing changed
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Hecubus
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91-Z28 305 Tpi "G92" mods-- K$N/Foil/Cat Back 3" Flowmaster/3" High Flow Cat/B&M shifter/ Intrax Springs/ Kyb Shock's-Struts's/Poly Bushings/Hotchkis Strut Tower Brace/ 100-150 Nos Wet Plate System/ 155lph Fuel Pump/ Holly Adj. Fuel Press. Regulator/Digital Fuel, voltage & Oil Press Guage's/MSD 6al/ Blaster coil/ Optima,Yellow top batt.

"I spent all my money on race cars, beer, and Broads... The Rest I wasted"

[This message has been edited by Hecubus (edited March 31, 2001).]

 

Well, the distributer is what I was getting at....just didn't want to "go there" without exploring every other possibility

As for the SES, I'll be right back, I'm going out to my car now, to check the SES stuff.

Alright, just went out there, pulled the battery cable to clear the stored codes (which mine has 4-5 of
Unset my clock (had to reset it for the changes tonight anyways) and turned the key to the on position. SES light sayed steady for 20 secs, then I shut her back down. (Now the car will probably be pissed tomorrow, I got in here, and turned the key, didn't crank and didn't go anywhere....yup, she'll be pissed

Like I was saying, If the power lines and everything is good and tight, then it sounds like the pulses aren't getting out of the distributer, and the ignition boxes not firing.
Good luck


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Corry Lazarowitz
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SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3" cat back (stock cat )MSD ignition. MSD Blaster SS coil. More soon when funds are avail...

[This message has been edited by Corry (edited March 31, 2001).]

 

The SES light ALWAYS comes on when you turn the key to start the car! Then it should go off once the engine starts!! If you want to see if you're REALLY getting an SES code, take a paperclip and open it up and make a U out of it!! Under the steering wheel is the little ALDL box! Plug the paperclip into the two holes on the TOP very RIGHT side...do this with the car OFF! Then turn the key to the ON position (not RUN) and watch the SES light! It will blink once and then pause and blink 3 times....this means code 13 which is good!! It will flash 13, three times and then if there are any codes it will start flashing them...count the flashes....all codes are 2-digit codes!! If it flashes 13 three times and then flashes 13 again and again then you have no codes in the memory! If there is a code, call your local parts store and most of them can look up that code for you and tell you what the problem is!! Or call GM!! Hope that helps!

 

Actually 86TpiTransAm it will flash a 12 not a 13, and yes, we already did that in the last thread, there was a dispute as to whether the computer should have the SES on all the time when the engine is not running, but the key in the "run" position.


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Corry Lazarowitz
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clazarowitz@hotmail.com
SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3" cat back (stock cat )MSD ignition. MSD Blaster SS coil. More soon when funds are avail...

 

I thought it was 12???

I get 12's three times

are you shure it is 13???

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Hecubus
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91-Z28 305 Tpi "G92" mods-- K$N/Foil/Cat Back 3" Flowmaster/3" High Flow Cat/B&M shifter/ Intrax Springs/ Kyb Shock's-Struts's/Poly Bushings/Hotchkis Strut Tower Brace/ 100-150 Nos Wet Plate System/ 155lph Fuel Pump/ Holly Adj. Fuel Press. Regulator/Digital Fuel, voltage & Oil Press Guage's/MSD 6al/ Blaster coil/ Optima,Yellow top batt.

"I spent all my money on race cars, beer, and Broads... The Rest I wasted"

 

ok thats what I I thought
thanks for clearing that up..

well how would I test the distrubutor?????
thanks

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Hecubus
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"I spent all my money on race cars, beer, and Broads... The Rest I wasted"

 

Go here for help:

www.racer-x.f2s.com

Click on 'garage' and see if this helps.

 

ok well that is a very good article....

well I dont have a digital volt meter buttt I'm going to go get one hopefully tonight

do you guys really think that that's it ???


theres not much left ..good cap,rotor,plugs,wires,coil and no codes....so I think it must be

What do you think??




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Hecubus
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91-Z28 305 Tpi "G92" mods-- K$N/Foil/Cat Back 3" Flowmaster/3" High Flow Cat/B&M shifter/ Intrax Springs/ Kyb Shock's-Struts's/Poly Bushings/Hotchkis Strut Tower Brace/ 100-150 Nos Wet Plate System/ 155lph Fuel Pump/ Holly Adj. Fuel Press. Regulator/Digital Fuel, voltage & Oil Press Guage's/MSD 6al/ Blaster coil/ Optima,Yellow top batt.

"I spent all my money on race cars, beer, and Broads... The Rest I wasted"

 

12 not 13....my bad!! It's been awhile! Thanks guys for clearin' that up!!

 

Not much else it could be. If everything else is new... How many miles are on your car? You should get atleast 120k on the stock distributor..

It sucks that it could just die like that, you would think it would start missing and gradually die. Sounds kind of fishy.

 

I'll second that! I've got OVER 200,000 miles on my car and it still has the ORIGINAL distributor that it came with in 1986!! BUT, it could still be your distributor!! Just because my distributor lasted this long doesn't mean everyone's will!!



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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
Well over 200,000+ miles (speedo/odometer non-funtional! Odometer reads 142,000)
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear (2.77's....oh joy) :P
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 355 TPI, Stock TPI ported, 24#/hr SVO injectors, Hedman Shorty Headers, Dart Iron Eagle heads or GM LT4 heads, XE262 Cam ground on a 114 LSA, Moroso Blue Max Plug Wires, external MSD Blaster II Coil and an MSD 6-AL Box!!
Current project: Keeping my 305 running until I get my income tax returns!

 

well I just broke 130,000

and I was thinking that the MSD was too much for it or something..?.. it was acting up [cutting out] a little and then went away {{{I posted something about that and I thought it might be the ground on the MSD}}}

and I thought that I fixed that and then it just died -flat out-
I find it kinda weird too all in one day
but I'll try to figure it out to make shure before I have to spend 200+ for a new one

any other Ideas that It could possibly be???

THANKS FOR ALL YOU HELP GUYS much appricaited!!!

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Hecubus
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91-Z28 305 Tpi "G92" mods-- K$N/Foil/Cat Back 3" Flowmaster/3" High Flow Cat/B&M shifter/ Intrax Springs/ Kyb Shock's-Struts's/Poly Bushings/Hotchkis Strut Tower Brace/ 100-150 Nos Wet Plate System/ 155lph Fuel Pump/ Holly Adj. Fuel Press. Regulator/Digital Fuel, voltage & Oil Press Guage's/MSD 6al/ Blaster coil/ Optima,Yellow top batt.

"I spent all my money on race cars, beer, and Broads... The Rest I wasted"

 

PickUp coil, module or reluctor.

Pull the cap, then pull the rotor. You'll be able to get a better look at things.

Look over the reluctor (star shaped thing on top) for cracks/breaks, pull the reluctor (just two screws I think, it's been awhile) and look at the pickup coil.

Lift the plastic up on it and look for greenish oxzidation, replace it (will need to pull the distributor to do so) if you see any greenish crud.

Look into the connector where the PU coil gfoes into to module, any green stuff in there? No, pull the module and have it tested at AutoZone or your favorite fast food AP store who has the equipment to do it.

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I'm assuming when you say "no spark" that you've actually pulled a wire and watched as someone has turned the motor over?

Or do you mean it just won't 'catch' and fire off when it's spinning over?

[This message has been edited by 8Mike9 (edited April 01, 2001).]

 

I didn't read the old post so I don't know what all has been thought of but if you still have the MSD hooked up it could very well be the MSD box!! If the MSD box has gotten wet it's "possible" that it's the box...they have internal circuit protection and you have to send the box back to MSD to get that reset!! I've heard several people tell you to check the module but if you have the MSD box hooked up then you don't have a module under the cap to check! Also, you mentioned the ground on the MSD box! MSD recommends grounding those boxes to the engine block BUT my friend has his grounded to the strut tower and it works just fine for him!!

If you suspect the MSD box then just unhook the MSD and put a module back under the cap and hook everything back up the way it was stock and see if it'll fire!! Also, I've heard that the stock COIL won't work with the MSD box...at least not very long.... so I'd check that too if you're still using the stock coil!!

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1986 Trans AM
305 TPI
Well over 200,000+ miles (speedo/odometer non-funtional! Odometer reads 142,000)
4 Wheel Discs
9 bolt Borg Warner Rear (2.77's....oh joy) :P
Completely Stock
Soon to upgrade to a 355 TPI, Stock TPI ported, 24#/hr SVO injectors, Hedman Shorty Headers, Dart Iron Eagle heads or GM LT4 heads, XE262 Cam ground on a 114 LSA, Moroso Blue Max Plug Wires, external MSD Blaster II Coil and an MSD 6-AL Box!!
Current project: Keeping my 305 running until I get my income tax returns!

[This message has been edited by 86TpiTransAm (edited April 01, 2001).]

 

Just another thought, I am not sure about all engine/ignition box/coil configs, but check your instructions to the MSD, you might have needed or not needed the ballist resistor. Other than that like I had said, power to the boxes, cap/rotor/plugs/wires/coil
(which you said were all checked and good)
An off chance that the MSD box fried, and the original box fried (kinda fishy if you ask me, unless you needed/didn't need a ballist resistor and put it on/not put it on respectivly) after that, Distributer. If we can get Vader in here, he'll know for sure, him or GM-tech/BOR I think there is some way to check the reference pules coming from the distributer, but I left the service manual over at my friends place so I can't look it up
Good luck

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Corry Lazarowitz
clazarow@voicenet.com
clazarowitz@hotmail.com
SLP 1 3/4" headers, 3" cat back (stock cat )MSD ignition. MSD Blaster SS coil. More soon when funds are avail...