Did GM ever make a 200R4 with a small block chevy bolt pattern? I assume the speedo wouldn't be a problem, but how about the lockup convertor and the crossmember/driveshaft? Are the clips the same for the ECM plug in both trannys, and more importantly, do you have to burn a new prom for the lockup? Is there any kind of aftermarket for high stall 200R4 convertors that will bolt up to SBC flywheels?

Just an idea...

 

Or you could just use a C4 or C6, since the 700R4 is such a POS...

how about a ALDL 4 sp OD out of a Ranger ?




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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Sport Coupe LG4 - Daily Driver
Reader's ride -> My Ride

Just another Hot Rod kid, or thats what they all tell me.
Livin' the Stereotype

 

Some day I will swap to a Richmond 5 or 6 speed. You can't break those bastards, but you sure pay for it...

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1983 Firebird
TH700R4 Auto
Small Block 400
LG4 ECM, Intake, Carb, Distributor, etc.
Soon to be non-computer.
Clarion Head Unit 45X4
2 Pioneer 400W 12" Subs
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is half an engine."

 

LOL, your right, the C4 and C6 is better than even the TH 400, but realistically, why don't you pull your head out of your @$$ and realize that I just might be on too something that will make you go faster, dear chevy CHILD.

Anyone with intellegent insight?

 

Did you ever look under the body of a G-body car? Theres the answer to all your questions.

And FYI its 200-4R not 200R4

 

Cute, very cute.... I guess there's a huge supply of 200-4r cases at junkyards then. So what about the torque arm, crossmember, driveshaft, speedo, convertor lockup problems?

 

http://www.spohn.net/index.cfm?fusea...t&productid=14

There's the conversion kit. I still want to know however, will there be a speedo problem, and the convertor lockup switch, is it the same?

I might just hang onto the Third Gen if I can Dump this POS 700R4.

 

Damn double posts

[This message has been edited by Slow Iroc (edited May 14, 2001).]

 

A friend of mine just put a TH200-4R into his 10 second 4th gen Camaro. I would tell you all about it.........but since you are such an a$$, I will not.

Lesson: do not talk trash about thirdgens at thirdgen.org. Jacka$$.

 

Chevy Boy with a Classic FoMoCo product in the Garage and an assemblage of Ford parts all around.


Want a C4? Ill sell you one.

Im sure that POS 700 Is the reason For all your problems. Im pretty sure that the reason I Can't run faster than a 15.2 is all related to My Transmission. This fire breathing LG4 of Mine Is just wating to break free of it's Bonds. You were lucky to Get to 15.1 with yours, You must have installed a shift kit...

In Fact, Ill trade You a C4 for your 700, and Give you the name of a guy who could actually make you the adapater plate and T converter to Swap it In.

la la la being a bitc h...




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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Sport Coupe LG4 - Daily Driver
Reader's ride -> My Ride

Just another Hot Rod kid, or thats what they all tell me.
Livin' the Stereotype

 

LOL, I love how you people's ego's are so fragile. It's cool man, I figure I'll have a faster Fox Body than most of your third gen's for less money, and turn the iroc into a ProTouring car.

I can only hurt your ego's as much as you let me. ROFL.

 

That's nice. I checked My Ego at the Door.

As far as Having a faster Fox Body, Congradufukinlations.


For less Money? Probrably Not.

And that wont Change the Fact that it is A cheap car, all around Cheap. Not inexpensive, Cheap.


Just like every other ford on the road...



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60 Ranchero - Project ( Money Hole )
85 Sport Coupe LG4 - Daily Driver
Reader's ride -> My Ride

Just another Hot Rod kid, or thats what they all tell me.
Livin' the Stereotype

 

Why not check the November 98 issue of GM High Tech Performance there is a guy with a 89 Formula running 10s with his POS 700R4. Sure it has been built up but it still is a 700R4. I like the gear ratios of the other tranny but for now I will live with my 700R4.

 

Slow Iroc, if you were really the thirdgen expert you say you are, then you would already know that the TH200-4R was the only auto available in the 1982 Camaros and Firebirds, and was the base model tranny in 1983. And you would know that almost all chevy RWD trannys will bolt to almost any chevy engine, no matter what size. So there really is no 'chevy bolt pattern', they're all the same. You will need the crossmember, torque arm, and driveshaft from an 82 thirdgen to make the TH200-R4 bolt in. Also, the TH200-R4 isn't much stronger than the TH700R4. If you really knew your $hit, you would know that there is a kit available from Summit to put a TH350 into a thirdgen, since you seem to think losing overdrive isn't a bad thing. Or you could just do like I originally said and buy a Richmond T56 6-speed manual, and handle 400+ ft/lbs, and still have overdrive. Oh, and BTW, pissing other thirdgen owners off will NOT make your car any faster.

EDIT: "faster fox body" - I belive thats called an oxymoron; oh wait you like Ford, so you probably dont even know what an oxymoron is...

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1983 Firebird
TH700R4 Auto
Small Block 400
LG4 ECM, Intake, Carb, Distributor, etc.
Soon to be non-computer.
Clarion Head Unit 45X4
2 Pioneer 400W 12" Subs
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is half an engine."

[This message has been edited by Ward (edited May 14, 2001).]

 

Actually it wasn't the 2004R, it was the 200c. It was only a 3 speed auto. The 2004R only came in the 3.8 turbo cars.

 

Oh yeah, thats right. I always get the 2 confused and think the TTA's came with the 200C...

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1983 Firebird
TH700R4 Auto
Small Block 400
LG4 ECM, Intake, Carb, Distributor, etc.
Soon to be non-computer.
Clarion Head Unit 45X4
2 Pioneer 400W 12" Subs
Third Gen Performance
"A four cylinder is half an engine."

 

The 2004R Came in ALL OD G-body cars, as well as prolly a few others. It also has a UNIVERSAL bolt pattern meaning it will bolt to both a BOP or SBC block with no adapters needed either way. It is physically about the same length as the 200C and the th350, so the DS is the same as for those apps, but the crossmember mounting point is different.
Apparently i missed something as to why these guys are against you, but your attitude is obviously ****. If it is true as bort said that you only run a 15.1, guess what, i'd look at something other than the tranny for your problems. Unless you are running some super short rear gears, the 700 is probbaly the only thing getting you to a 15.1. The taller first gear will probably make you launch softer and thus make you run slower. At 15.1 you aren't even beginning to stress a 700. My 85 ran high 13s, and the tranny is the only thing in the driveline i never ****ed with. It had burnt fluid and slipped from the day i bought it, and 35k miles later it still ran the same. In my old 86 grand prix i killed 3 2004Rs, behind an LG4. Also, my buddy has killed more 200s than anybody could count behind a ZZ4 in his monte SS. The quick turbo buick guys that still run 200s also know their tranny guy on a first name basis, and get 'em rebuilt about every few races. If you think they don't, you have no idea how deep their secrets run.
Really, we're talking a difference of .3 in first gear, basically a wash when you factor in the torque converter. And as i pointed out...very few people can make a 200 even hold up to low 13s...my buddy has had trannies built by everyone he could find, including a guy who builds 700s that hold up to 10s and still can't keep one under him...but he's too lazy to take my advice and swap to a 700 even though he admits it'd be smarter.

 

They are all pissed off because I took the short comings of the third gen platofrm and shoved it in their faces, then compared them to the C4 in one post and the Fox Body Mustang in the next one. I guess they didn't care for the fact that the third gen advantage list was about the same length of the Mustang or Vette short comings list (Relatively short), while the disadvantage of the FBody list was enormous.

Anyway, my car isn't running 15.1's...thank you sir. My car still isn't fast, but it's a little better off. But thanks for the backround on the 2004R.

Oh, on the lighter side of things, pun intended, for the price of coated headers for a thirdgen, I could have a complete exhaust for a fox body. For the price of one SR or MR, I could have 2, almost 3 new Fox Body intakes. For the price of a third gen 12 bolt swap (which is the only rear that is really on same footing with the 8.8 inch Ford), I could have every chasis stiffening part I needed, gears, rear disc conversion, and still have money left over.

Fox Body+4.10 gears and a set of Flowmasters = backwards hat wearing punk laughing in your face on the street and on the track.

Besides, women like the Mustang better

Didn't the "5.0" come with forged slugs all but one year? Didn't all of the EFI "5.0's" come with the 8.8 inch rear? Why is it that Ford had entire racing programs, and sponsoring avaliable for independant Mustang racers while GM was still deciding whether or not to put the 350 in the car, because the 305 was "Good enough."

 

Dude, just buy a freakin mustang if you think they have an advantage over camaros/firebirds. We dont care!

 

I second Scott_92RS motion, all in favor, say "aye".

 

The reason for cheaper parts on your MUDSTAINS is low quality parts for low QUALITY cars. Nothing is better than drivin a Ford, drivin right of a f****ing cliff. Cheapest entertainment around. Get the point.

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1991 Camaro Z-28 305ci 230hp
1985 Camaro Coupe 331ci 300hp
http://www.geocities.com/speedstar38...Speedstar.html



[This message has been edited by SpeedStar (edited May 14, 2001).]

 

ahh i see the bull**** talk is starting again... for your information, it ISNT any cheaper to runa mustang... they have so much more ya gotta replace, its rediculas... wiring problems up the *** .

your comparing apples and oranges. if ya wanna get a stang, go get a stang- i am runnin 15 on with an exhaust, auotmatic, carb spacer, and an open element!! and the xhaust is just a cat back! i have an 86 lg4 auto with 2.73 gears.. lemme put in a torque converotr, 373 gears, and a cam, and then we'll talk... 13.8 is good enough to beat a bunch of stock stangs with gears abd flows! and if ya wanna see the time slip email me, i'll scan the thing in...

my last run i found my 2ndraies werent opening all the way, so i ran a 16.4 at 90.2, where as i was runnin 15.1's at 88.3 before... the 15.1 run i had a 2.2 60' the 16.4 i had a 3.3 60'

car weighs in at 3500lbs... so if you think its gonna cost ya more to run fast with a gm vs a ford, ur wrong.. u still gotta upgrade the posi onthe ford at 400 horse... and with a better posi the gm 10 bolt will hold 400 all day long. prime example is my friend who has run his 450 hp car at the track everyweekend with a 28 spline 10 bolt and a auburn posi.


Steve

 

Exactly SS. Camaros have more advantages then M*****g's and less disadvantages then them also. We all know that everything u are saying is incorrect and u aren't pissing off any1 because u don't know what u are talking about anyway. If I or another here had that car it would be much faster than 15's thats for sure. Why don't u listen to what every1 is telling u to fix on it. U could have a fast car if u just learn some. If that car is still in the 15's u aren't doing something, or a few things right. Modding a car with forced induction is different from modding an N/A car and u aren't doing it right. TPI IS a good system if tuned correctly, and can make better TQ then most or all of other stock setups.

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Looking For:
87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI



[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited May 14, 2001).]

 

AYE!!!!!!!!

 

hold on,

Having owned a mustung or two I can speak from experience. They definately have some advantages and disadvantages.

Their bolt on parts ARE more inexpensive: intakes, TB, injectors, etc.

Their suspension is setup more for drag racing (4-link) rather than corner carving like our camaro's.

A stock 5.0 EFI mustang is quicker and lighter than a stock 350 TPI camaro.

They can be made to go real, fast easily but when it comes to internal engine parts and options they lose.

They can be made to go low 13s easily but after that it's gonna take a lot of money. There aren't any factory steel cranks and steel rods for these cars. All $aftermarket.

Fords are cheap. their factory suspension is cheap: tie rods, balljoints, etc.

They have electrical problems. I'd replaces 98% of the sensors on the mustang while 98% of the sensors on my camaro are original.

But ford motorsport caters to them a lot more the GM does to the camaro. GMPP is a little late on this one. besides an engine GMPP offeres little for our camaros. Ford offers everything for their mustang 79-01. Including bolt in rears w/ disk brake setups, various intakes, cams, engines,supension pieces, internal parts, etc.

However in 94 the NEW fatter, slower, weaker mustang ruined it. They are CHEAP.


James

[This message has been edited by james_fearn (edited May 14, 2001).]

 

Slow Iroc

The 700-r4 and the 2004r are pretty much the same trans except the gears. The 700-r4 is a great trans when reworked correctly. There is a guy that I know that is running 650est. ponys through a 700-r4 attached to a big block chevy the trans is sh** from the factory but can be made vary stout and good. If you want to beef up your 700-r4 get a TCI rebuild kit,shift kit and corvette servo.

BTW the 700-r4 has a first gear of 3.06 and the 200-4r has a first gear of 2.74.If you go with the 200-4r you will loose some of the punch out of the hole that the 700-r4 has.



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97 formula w/6speed,cags skipshift eleminator, hurst billet pro shifter, 30#injectors,adjustiable fuel presure regulator,Moroso cold air induction,ported mass air sensor,accell300+ ignition box, accell 9000 wires, bosch platnum4 plugs,flomaster crossflow muffler,Lingenfiter 52mm throttle body,TPIS L98 SuperProfile cam,Crane 1:6 full roller rockers,Edelbrock subframe connectors,Edelbrock strut tower brace.

Other car is a 89 GTA w/700r4w/stage 2 shift kit, corvette servo, B&M mega shifter, TPIS bigmouth intake, TPIS large tube runners, TPIS 52mm throttle body,LT1 24# injectors,GMPP LT4 hotcam,CompCams Pro magnum roller rockers, this car is currently under rebuild and restoration.

 

I'm well aware of the first gear lose, but then again, when you shift gears, I won't mind eating up that lead you got with the 700, because my motor will be closer to the peak torque, which is "Where the magic happens."

Anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about? LOL, I developed a list of reasoning that nobody could argue in an earlier post, and now your going to say in this post that the fbody has all of these advantages...well name them! Put up or shut up! LOL.

Let's see, single exhuast, torque arm rear, no manual for the 350, heavy, bad gear ratio's for drag racing in the 700, very expensive and very limited aftermarket, a rear that is known for blowing itself apart, poor cooling, complex wiring harness compared to "Other" systems, very limited aftermarket for V belt blowers, power stealing baseplate (which might be better called an air heater than an intake), poor entry angle with any stock layout for TPI (including the Super-Expensive-Ram), pathetic cams from the factory, unusual tire offsets, terrible looking gauges in the 82-90 cars, it's takes how long to replace just an injector O-Ring (intake assemble complexity), the number of peices to the intake (air gaps=power loses), and what were those advantages?

Compare the lists, which is longer, thanks.

Stop pampering your ego's and take an unbiased look at the situation. As far as the intakes for the Ford's being cheap, look in your own back yard. The Edelbrock Runners are the cheapest POS'es I've ever seen. The base isn't all that great either, I've seen two of those bolt towers of the fuel rails crack so far from pressure, and the bolts weren't overtightened...

The Fbody's have one big advantage...they look cool! However, I'm not sure how comforting that will be when you notice the mustang guy admiring your car in his rear view mirror.

 

It is possible, if you are cost conscience, but then would you like to take a crack at my Cobra or 'Vette with your little Fox body?



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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

 

SLOWIROC. you seem to be forgetting the BORGWARNER 9 BOLT.. oh thats right. maybe becuase people dont like to admit defeat.. i believe that is stronger than any 8.8" ford POS rear. and i will put up any camaro against a FOX BODY, hey if lose, i still have my dignity. I AM NOT DRIVING A FORD...
oh yeah.. its not just drag racing man.. i dont think that mustangs were named after any races were they? nope didnt think so.
oh yeah when you get your fox body. drop by in iowa. and i will tear your car up.. oh wait it prolly wont make it that far, because what. i think its every 1,000 miles something brakes on those cars.

oh and the thing about Mustang prices being cheaper.. ok a few things, but that is because of the quality, and remember YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
if you buy a cheap ford, then you get a cheap, easily breakable, FORD, CRAP!!!

oh and just because women like a car is why you would buy one? that is too bad you cant find a woman with yourself and not your car.
but that is your own personal issue.. hey man, maybe you can get a hold of austin powers, and see if you can borrow his ***** enlarger..

have fun in that POS Fox Body. hey if you want a thirdgen again, dont think about it.. once you go to ford, please dont come back.period.


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Jarrad
1990 IROC-Z L98 350 TPI
TH-700R4
G92- 9 Bolt Borg-Warner 3.27gears
Bright Red Hardtop/ Grey Custom Interior

mods: AFPR, B&M megashifter-HD4ft cable, Underdrive Pulleys, Ported plenum, K&N's, Magnaflow muffler, Aluminum Driveshaft, Gutted Air Boxes w/ Ram Air, and more!!
soon to have new PAINT, and suspension work

DAILY DRIVER: 1991 S10 2.5L/5SPD -

 

well, here we are again. The "Tech" portion of the thread checked out about 15 replies ago, soooo.....

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Vader
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"Fear is how I fall, Confusing what is real..."
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