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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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white smoke after holley tb change

ok after changing to a 52mm holley tb i now have white smoke like crazy ....first thing comes to mind is head gasket but it still runs strong...and i do have some milky stuff on the dipstick......i guess ill change the oil and see if it happens again...any suggestions thanks
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 09:45 PM
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Re: white smoke after holley tb change

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ok after changing to a 52mm holley tb i now have white smoke like crazy ....first thing comes to mind is head gasket but it still runs strong...and i do have some milky stuff on the dipstick......i guess ill change the oil and see if it happens again...any suggestions thanks
milky stuff on the dipstick is a dead giveaway that you have coolant leaking in from somewhere i wouldnt just write it off to quickly ...

even with a blown head gasket the engine will usually run strong for a while and the only sign of a problem will be the milky oil and smoke out the back
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 09:52 PM
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very concerned

oh by no means am i writing it off im not driving the car at all until i resolve this (not a daily driver) i actually have new afrs,miniram,and zz-409 cam waiting to go in but i wanted to learn prom burning first but this may hasten the situation. the thing is nothing out of the ordinary happend after the tb swap it was there. ill post again after a oil change and see if i get coolant in there.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 11:10 PM
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I can almost garantee its the head gasket. Make sure its put on the right direction, it should say on the gasket itself which side is the front and which side goes up. If not that then the heads may not be torque down tight enough, or if worst comes to worst a cracked block or heads.
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Old Nov 18, 2004 | 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by 1989Iroc-Z-350
I can almost garantee its the head gasket.
Or not. There are other ways for coolant to mix with oil.

Do a leak down/compression test.
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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where to look?

ok i changed the oil today and today the car is acting differently,
not to much smoke but sprays a little water and seems to be running rough now (just at idle im not driving it anywhere) so is my next step pulling the intake?also is the factory oil cooler worth having on there i have a oil leak where it mounts on the block and was thinking about removing it.
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 10:08 PM
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Your next step would be pulling the plugs to see if any cylinders are spitting out water. Pull all the plugs at the same time then turn the engine over to watch for any water shooting out. If there is, time to pull the intake and the heads. Don't start the engine up any more.
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 12:19 AM
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I have no idea how the oil cooler works, but if it had a crack in it somewhere couldnt it load up the oil with coolant?
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 12:24 AM
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Unless it's like a heat exchanger, an external oil cooler is a seperate device that works on the same heat transfer theory as a radiator.
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 09:09 AM
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the oil cooler is the factory onewith the two lines running right above the oil filter,i doubt it has any thing to do with the coolant in oil problem. i was just wondering because when i tear everything down i might eliminate it because it leaks. oh and thanks for the help everyone, hopfully in the next two weeks i can find the time to start heads,cam, intake swap
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 11:43 PM
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if the car was running fine right before the TB install, then an hour later (after install) its doing all this crap you describe.....i would be suspecting the TB. (Assuming its TPI here) Did you do the TB coolant bypass or are you still circulating the coolant through the TB? Theoretically, there could have been a machining/casting problem and coolant could be getting into the motor that way.

Something to look into i guess.

It would be a huge coincidence if "after my TB Install" the car starting doing all that crap.
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 06:29 PM
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thats what i dont get

i dont get it either, thats why i have been on here becuse it is very strange. but no coolant goes through the tb it is bypassed
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 09:36 PM
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Going backwards, what EXACTLY did you touch when you did the TB swap?

It IS a possibility that the 2 things are completely non-related (i.e the coolant burning and the TB swap).
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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stekman im almost 100% certain they are not related the thread has changed from not knowing what was going on to pretty much knowing its a head gasket.i have seen other post where white smoke has been an injector not working properly to running lean
so i just wanted some other opinions....on what i touched when changing the TB nothing that would fill a cylinder with water for sure....lol ,hey like i said before it was only a matter of time for the
swap,i have everything in my shed waiting to go in,just need the time to do it
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Old Jan 1, 2005 | 08:28 PM
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update

whats up guys... just an update on my progress. i have almost everything put in waiting on new injectors and chip from ed wright
i even painted under the hood while everything was down(im doing a color change) it was in fact #7 cylinder the metal ring on the head gasket was shot...the miniram looks great the only things that kinda gave me a problem was the timing cover because i didnt want to dropo the pan.....crankup day should be around the 10 of january ill let you all know how it works out.
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