i want to get a third gen into the 11s/12s with decent gas mileage and keeping the entire project under 10k. it would have to be daily driven also.

is it possible? how and what kind of outcomes would be expected?

 

under $10k, very much so...

its never about how much money you have, its about who you know!

 

i don't know anybody lol

 

yeah its still possible, if it takes you ayear in the porcess you'll meet people.

Its hard to accomplish that without knowing anyone to begin with.

 

You can run 12's with an LT1 or LS1 swap and net 25 mpg all day.

 

LT1 seems to be very trouble prone

i'll look into an LS1 swap

i have a lot to learn

 

$10k can build a pretty sout ThirdGen easily running 12's/11's.

LT1 swaps are getting cheaper every day. They can take alot of small things like a SBC can too and share a few things in common.

LS1's are still a fairly expensive piece but look sooooo good in an ThirdGen engine bay. Consider snagging a full LS1/T56 combo with all the wiring, computer and hydraulic lines to pull this off cleanly. You shoul easily get 11's out of a lightly modded LS1...LT1's you will be able to mod further

Of course you could build a VERY STOUT SBC with that cash

 

gas mileage and drivability would be an issue thats why i want to go with LS1

has the misfire issues and opti issues ever been figured out for the LT1s? scary

 

They sure have. There are a few opti delete ignition systems out for the LT! that use LS1 type coil kits. They aren't too expensive either and can be done for around $500. A properly running opti won't misfire. Certain opti's ('95 and later vented units) are better than others as well. I used to get 29mpg on the highway in my old '95 Z28.

 

try eBay, when I was looking for my T56 tranny, I've seen full LS1/T56 combo with 30k miles selling for $4200. The other one had few more miles on it but sold for $3700. Don't know much about this stuff, but seems liike a relatively good deal.

 

LT1's suck, they only good thing about them is the induction system. Other than that they are a solution to a problem knowbody asked. THe whole engine is some dumbass engineers, monkey spankin wet dream.

"I know how we can make it better, lets make it 10 times as complicated."

The LS1 on the other hand in my opinion is the best engine ever engineered, designed and built. It is simple, light, compact, easy and cheap to produce, make great power, and is very fuel efficient.

 

sounds like LS1 then. thing is, i have yet to buy a camaro lol

i'd imagine the swap would take a while, so i think i should just buy a cheap thirdgen w/ a straight body

would a carbed 86 work for an ls1 swap?

 

Any camaro would work, problem is getting the speedomter to work correctly. 90-92's have electronic speedometer's that you can get by with a $80 buffer box that changes it to a useable signal. Wheras the older ones 82-89 have to have a $300 unit to interpret the signal from the tranny and adjust the cable speed electronically. Basically the LS1 swap is just like putting in a stand alone system, the pcm controls the engine all you need to do is pull the leads for the guages to work.

 

alright. i'll just buy the best one i can find at the lowest cost to start

one last question is how much would a fuel injected SBC buildup cost to meet my goals and take out near stock LS1s both from a roll and from a dig? if a SBC buildup was a lot cheaper and easier than an ls1 swap i'd be all for it.

the positives i see for an LS1 are efficiencey/economy top end power

gas mileage is a big concern but if it's say 8k for an ls1 swap but only 1-2k for a SBC build then it would take a couple years for the gas mileage cost to make a difference

 

AH c'mon, they aren't that bad. They are just another engine in GM's evolution of small block technology. Without the LT1 the LS1 would have never been around. It makes for a nice option for people who want a bridge between an old school small block with modern technology. There is no doubt that the LS1 is a better engine but 10k could take you farther with an LT1 swap. There are guys like Z28R*cer who can do a complete drive away LT1 swap for $2k. That is a mid to low 13 second car right there that will net near 30mpg. It also has incredible potential to be modded. If money weren't an issue an LS1 swap would be the way to go. However there is nothing wrong or dissatisfying about an LT1 swap if price is an issue. I bought an LT1 for $280 to eventualy be rebuilt and swapped into my car. With opti delete kits to rid some of the flaws it has, the swap becomes even better in my mind. The LS1 has the potential to make more power than an LT1 but it comes so at a great a cost.

There is one particualar LT1 3rd gen in our club that I like to make an example of. His car has run a best of 12.99 with a T5 and 3.42 gears and gets 27mpg. He only spent a grand or two on the whole swap too. He didn't need to change tranny's, cross members, or the headers he already had. That saved him a lot of money right there. I don't see what is so wrong with that.

Either way you will be very happy. I loved my '95 M6 LT1 car and never once wanted to sell it for an LS1 like my bud has. To each his own I geuss.

 

hmm tough choice

if LT1 is as cheap as you say it is, then id do it over LS1 and get more power for cheaper

however, the LT1 scares the hell out of me with all the constant misfiring problems, optis dying (4-5 in a row), people on lt1tech.com even had misfire problems after getting delteq systems

i want to avoid all that

 

Yeah the LT1 ignition and cooling systems are FUBAR!!!!!

 

Why not pay 10 grand for a car that has already been done? Most of the time you end up spending more on the car then it is worth with third gens. https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=294483