I heard today that a early 70's firebird was it.
It had a 400, special tranny and rearend.
Did the qtr in 10 flat @ 170+
I don't know if its true, but the guy i talk cars w/ is a freakin guru. He said that you could drive this car off the showroom floor and do what i just said.
I thought this would be a good place to verify this.
Thanks

I also put this in history and restoration.
Figured I'd get more replies in here

Bowtieguy01

 

shutup and go drive your riced-out sonoma :P

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[This message has been edited by Ward (edited September 06, 2001).]

 

fastest production car from america is kinda tricky. '69 ZL-1 camaro ran the 1/4 in 10.34 at 134. thats straight off the showroom with the only mod being slicks. they made just over 50 of these i believe. but the '69 ZL-1 corvette ran 1/4 in 10.29 at 139 once again with the slicks. catch is they only made 2(both yellow with black stripes)

i dont care how you cut it-----thats fast...


jp taylor

 

170? Funny guy.

Ive been around Pontiacs a long time, and no way there was a off the showroom floor Firebird anywhere near that fast.

 

10 flat is usually in the 140 mph range... somewhere around 8.5 is typical for a car that will do 170 mph in the 1320...

Frankly, having had a few second gens myself, I can't imagine one of them doing times like that without coming to pieces during the first launch... right now my brother-in-law has a 76 Camaro that's gutted, tubbed, & caged, with ladder bars, & a 12-bolt; it weighs something like 2800 lbs; with a pretty stout roller 454 it goes 10.60s in the high 120s with 60' times below 1.50. To put one of those cars in DOT trim with a full interior (3400 lbs +) into the low 10s would take over 600 HP.

I'm not saying your source is mistaken, mind you; I'm just being my natural skeptical self.

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I know that 170 sounded a bit off, but still a factory car that ran 10's?!?!?!!?

I knew about the Zl-1, I didn't know about how fast that car really was. Why Is everybody praising the 1LE, It should be the ZL-1.

Oh, and ward, It may sound like rice, but at least it dosent burn oil, overheat, interior from hell, curb checked rims, throwing belts, oh yeah and your best excuse when you ***** out of a race"I just said I could pull you of the line"

Thats just my 2 cents

bowtieguy01

 

How about this one guys. It looks like the ZL-1 made a year 2000 comeback. Check it out. http://www.supercars.net/SDBQ?i=267
look at the 0-60 time, it's pretty damn fast, although it looks like 1/4 mile hasn't improved any.

 

Could you fit the wheels off that concept on a stock 4th gen suspension.

 

the guy is full of **** plain and simple. fastest to start with would be top speed and that claim goes to the viper even though gm said the ZL1 corvette had the capability of going over 200, it didn't come geared to do it. there was 3 corvettes built as production ZL1's, but only two were sold to the public. one yellow with black stripes and one white with black stripes. the white one was bought buy an honest rocket scientist for just under 10k which was an unreal number in them days. dave cheksty i believe was his name. it went 10's with a carb, gear, exhaust, and tire change. the motor trend test car which was the only automatic ZL1 made went 10's with only M and H racing slicks bolted on. the camaro did not go 10's stock though. low 13's at over 120 stock for a good one. with slicks, open headers, rejetting, and timing adjustment, it went 10's very easy. this test was done in hot rod magazine. the factory exhaust manifolds and stock tires held them down, but they obviously didn't stay on them. gm's fastest car ever was the ZR1 at just over 180 and the 2001 c5 coupe just under it (yes it actually does top out more than the Z06 due to aerodynamics). the quickest 0 to 60 in production form is the Z06 since the ZL1's didn't have the tires in production form to beat it and the Z06 is also the quickest 1/4 mile car in production form. others had the capability of being faster from the 60's, but not with the production tires. obviously with cars like the L88 vette optional with 4.56 gear or the olds 442 optional with 455 and 5.38 gear they could have beaten it, but not on the factory tires. the fastest firebird/trans am is the latest 01/02 at 162 mph (hits rev limiter in 5th gear), and quickest is also the newest with the ram air 3 and 4 and 89 V6 model, but the above not having enough tire to be quicker.

 

Good response Zippy. Let's not forget the 427 AC Cobra either. For the longest time, it was given the title of quickest production car and in stock form it was still a 12 second machine due to tires also.

As for MPH, those older cars were quick but they were not fast due to lack of Overdrive Transmissions like we have today. I recall a friend's 69 Z28 302 with 4.11s doing over 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. The fastest that car would go was somewhere between 120-130 mph; definitely nowhere near 150 mph, due to gears and no O/D.

 

lets not forget either that the cobra and viper were tube frame cars and as far as most are concerned, not production.
they really arent customs either but its hard to put them in the same category as cars that are built on a line.

 

My father had one, 1976 firebird plain jane had a special motor along with tranny and rear gears. the motor was classified 400 H.O.SD it had well over 500hp. this is what GM told my dad. He had 1 of 7 car that got the motor. The car did 90 in first gear.

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That sounds like one of those lucky ones that got the 2.29 gears.... boy was I ever glaad when the 70s ended and they finally started improving cars again, instead of doing stupid stuff like that.

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OK, back in the 90's BEFORE the ZR1, the story I remember was the Buick GNX was the fastest high production car ever made. Cars that only 2 were made can not count as a production vehicle. that is a factory race car, but not production. With the purchase of the car and an extra $400 it could be made to run in the 11's.

Does that count because your adding $400 to mods. Just my opinion. Im talkin 1/4 mile time not top speed.
Its been a long time since I remember hearing that.

John

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[This message has been edited by okfoz (edited September 07, 2001).]

 

This is a far stretch, but according to NASCAR, a production vehicle is one that the auto maker produces at least 3,000 cars. So by this, the ZL-1 Vette was a prototype of sorts. And there were 69 of the 1969 ZL-1 Camaros built.



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well, this is thirdgen.org, not nascar. i forgot about the ac cobra until a bit later on in the night, it was recorded as the quickest production 1/4 car until the viper posted 12.07 back in 96. the cobra ran low 12's in stock form. this was with 7 inch wide tires, but with slicks like all the muscle cars it was way quicker. during the 80's, the quickest 1/4 mile car was in fact the gnx, but not by that much since it didn't hook up that well. there was no 400 super duty with well over 500hp. the 455 super duty engine in the 73 trans am was capable of 13.7 area times in production form this including production tires. the ram air 5 (or as pontiac would have sold it "Ram Air V") would have been the quickest pontiac with times in the mid twelves, but was halted from production and never made it past the testing. only one car assembled with that engine. as for the viper, it's not a tube chassis. not sure if you've ever seen one or not, but it's an all aluminum framing designed like newer race cars, but without using tubing as it wouldn't pass D.O.T. specs in that form. the quickest published viper times i have seen is 11.87 from an acr model stock. this making it the quickest quarter mile american car built so far in "production", right off the assembly line form. as for the guy buing the 1 of 7 trans am, i have a camaro with a 1 of 10 super naturally aperated LT1 in it to sell him. it has to be at least 600hp, it has more injectors on it. and yes, i am being a smart *** , but well deserved. (and 90 in first???, at what 12,000rpm?)

 

It was also one of those rare cars without a transmission...just an engine, driveshaft and highway rear .

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For all of you who believe this "10 seconds off the showroom floor" stuff, I've got this bridge I'll sell you.

Cheap.

 

Let me guess, you're new here?

Well, I will say that at least Pontiac tried to keep the muscle car alive. 1976 was the last year of the 455. However, by that time they were far from a Super Duty. The "mid-70s" engineering of that day to meet emission levels had basically neutered it by that time.

 

The fastest production car ever made depends on what is your favorite car brand and what you call production. It used to be 500 cars or more was considered a production car. Then you have tuner cars like Hurst, LPE, Mecham, SLP, Saleen, Shelby, just to name a few. Some made more than 500 cars so theirs could or could not be considered production.
But don't believe it when you hear the stories of "someone got a one of a kind or one of 10 supercar that ran 9's topped out at over 200 mph, got 30 mpg and washed itself every night." It's just a bunch of BS that someone is dishing out.
The fastest American Production Car is the Viper. But *** help any Viper owner that pulls up next to a twin turbo Vette from Granatelli.

 

Just a quote from Motor Trend about a 2000 T/A WS6 in their December 99 issue

"...our Trans Am ripped 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds and cleaned up the quarter mile in 13.5 seconds at 107.4 mph. (Funny how it beat the same-engined, similarly weighted Camaro SS by 0.2 second and 1.8 mph.) In handling it mercilessly matches its Bow-Tie relative by pulling 0.84 g on the skidpad and zipping through the slalom at 64.6 mph."

"For purists, these acceleration stats also beat virtually every Pontiac Musclecar, including the legendary '69 GTO Judge with its 370-gross-horsepower 400 cubic-inch V-8. And in handling and braking, it wouldnt be a contest."

My vote is for the never cars, rather than the older ones. I'd go Viper then Z06 then maybe a T/A WS6.

The cars of yesteryear are gone. Dont get me wrong, I love the 78 T/A. I think it is a beautiful piece of work. I'd love to own one. But if you honestly think a stock production car of the past could even stick with modern high performance cars, you're dreaming.

Clayton

 

2000 WS6 T/A -- $30,000
"Tricked out" 85 Iroc-Z -- $6,000
Both do 13.5 1/4 mile?!?! hmmmmm...

But then again I guess in 20 years it'll be like this:
2020 WS7 Turbo T/A -- 60,000
"Tricked out" 00 WS6 T/A -- $12,000
Both do 11.2 1/4 mile?!?!

It's true, the newer sports cars today from the factory will pretty much **** on most of the older muscle cars from the factory. That's just technological advancement. I mean did anybody actually expect them to get slower? GM has done some stupid things in the past (the downgraded cam in the 86 Iroc-z comes to mind) but just about every car they produce has been getting faster little by little for the past 20 years. But as I've found to get speed from the factory you have to pay for it. To get speed on your own, mod a thirdgen and save money. They look cooler too, well, at least cooler than the newer Camaros. The new Firebirds look pretty damn good. But thats just my opinion.

 

my 2 cents 86 cutlass 455 3.73 turbo 400, reliebale faster then any street f body <if built right>

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shelby cobra was able to put out times like that.... have people forgotten about it?

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My 85 w/305 fully stock runs high 9's.....is that bridge for sale yet?

 

Back to the tuner cars. If these are considered production cars, then the Hennesy Viper takes the cake. The latest 880 runs the 1/4 in high 9's, 0-60 in 2.4 sec. This is from Car & Driver. Yes is is exotic, lots of expensive upgrades. But a 9 sec. street car is just what I need just to have it.



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the cobra has been mentioned, but on the factory tires it was only a low 12 second car. on slicks it was a 10 second car without any other tuning, but not on the factory tires. cars like the lingenfelter and hennessy would not qualify as production. determining the fastest production car has nothing to do with what could be better for the money. on that case though, sure a third gen can run way faster numbers than a 2002 f body or z06, but which is going to be worth more after owning it two years. the new one will hold it's value better as most of us know built cars sell for less than half of what you normally have in them.

 

*note* i have actually witnessed a real shelby 427 cobra run the 1/4 mile in very low 11s on DOT legal tires. slicks would have made it dip into the mid to low 10s easy

 

gee i don't know guys but the amc pacer was a mean car. so was the pinto by ford. those were the meanest cars i my opinion.

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would have been a great sight to see sofa king. deffinitly capable of it. unfortunatly the factory tires were only 7 inch wide tires. obviously these were tossed in favor of larger one's by the people whom bought them, but as purchased from production they were only 7 inches wide and i believe only on 14 inch rims if i remember right, but i'd have to look that up. i've personally seen two officially original shelby cobra's, but not the opertunity to see one at the track. that'd be as cool as court side tickets to see jordan play.

 

According to nhra the record holder is a....ya all going to hate this...a 1971 AMC javlin 390 It ran low 11s on street tires and was available as a non special order car

 

lol, now that is funny. this info isn't stuff the nhra is going to keep. this is tests from articles of new cars. only one amc ever came anywhere near that fast and it sure wasn't a 71 javelin with a 390 (not even available in that year, would have been a 401). it is possible for that car to win the stock class for the 1971 season, but that car wasn't production.

 

I don't know about the pacer lol. that is a good one. however they did make a 302 pinto that would **** an *** . I hate fords but I personally wouldn't want to go against one of those with posi and fat tires.

 

Let's hope there will be a 2020 F-body.. and hopefully it won't be crap like Ford put out with the mustang comeback in '79.

Jeff

 

Isn't that the way all the f-bodys should have come from the factory

 

In 20 years we have a good shot of seeing the first non-gas powered F-body....and it'll run 11's from the factory!!! Well, maybe that last part is wishful thinking . BTW I'm sick of hearing about all this resale crap. Who the hell buys a Z06 just to sell it in 2 years? Who buys any kind of sports car for resale value? Doesn't anybody buy these things for the thrill of modding or driving? Car values depreciate rapidly anyway. Buy a 2001 camaro for $30,000 and sell it for $25,000 in a year or two or buy a thirdgen for $2,000 put $5,000 into it and sell it for $3,000. So now whats that resale value when you shelled it all out up front in the first place? And anyways come 2002 the thirdgen will start to become a classic. Now lets start talking resale value.

P.S. I know in CT it takes 20 years for a car to be registered as a classic. I'm not sure if its nation wide though. So forgive me if the 82 camaro is not considered a classic in your state next year

 

why I ask myself. why why why?????? nobody(but me) EVER remembers the godsent Callaway Sledgehammer.. come on boys.. 10's.. and top speed of 254.76mph. oh well.. I had to bring it up.. it was produced.. therefore it is production.. lol.

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with my insurance company (if I had anothter car) I can get classic car insurance on my 85 Z.

I don't know about the state though, it's probably 20 years.

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Jesse

 

Way to go with the Classic 85!! I should call up my company as well! YES! Ragin'87 is right! The 1988 twin turbo Sledgehammer Corvette, while losing to the above ZL-1 concept Camaro in 0-60 time has'em all beat with a super high top speed. Too bad it wasn't regular production. Too bad all corvettes aren't Twin Turbo either .


http://www.supercars.net/SDBQ?y=1988...mer%20Corvette

 

I can't beleive no one on this board has even mentioned the 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi. It had a 426 aluminum race hemi, and it was a production car. Runs 10.20 in the 1/4 from the factory. At got 4 MPG.

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the challenger did not run them times factory and did not come as an alluminum block or aluminum heads. best quarter mile time dodge car built is the ultra rare 1968 dodge dart hemi which in factory trim would run high 12's. simply slicks only change would put it in the 11's, but that isn't how it came. the sledgehammer was not production since production is considered as it rolled off the truck to the dealer (which also puts baldwin motion, yenko's, and otherc cars out of this). the price thing i was referring to is putting 15k into a third gen to get it to perform as good as a new one as well as be in as good a shape. no i don't mean 15k on engine, i mean that much on paint, brakes, suspension, engine, trans, rear end, etc. put that much into an iroc you paid 3k for and it's worth maybe 8k after you drive it two years. buy a newer one for 18k and after two years it will still be worth 13 to 15k and have less problems.

sold our ZO6 today, that was sad...