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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 03:49 AM
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A.I.R. Removal Questions...

1. What belt size?

2. How to plug manifolds? Bolts/Bolt size?

3. Can I completely remove pump without affecting how any other accesories mount?

4. Is this the correct belt routing for my car?



91' Camaro 305 TBI w/out CAT

Please keep on topic. I know its illegal. I know it helps emmisions. I know there is no gain. Yes I searched... Hard to find a specific answer when you have to search through every thread that mentions A.I.R.
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 06:08 AM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

#1 , belt size is mentioned in tech article on removing smog pump . looked at my belt , got 6pk2460 968k6 #s from it . #2 , 1/4" NPT , i used internal wrenching/allen wrench plugs on mine . #3 , yes , re-install mounting bolts , 1 or 2 go into block to mount bracket . #4 , yes . good luck .
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by UNCLE TOM
#1 , belt size is mentioned in tech article on removing smog pump . looked at my belt , got 6pk2460 968k6 #s from it . #2 , 1/4" NPT , i used internal wrenching/allen wrench plugs on mine . #3 , yes , re-install mounting bolts , 1 or 2 go into block to mount bracket . #4 , yes . good luck .
Yeah I seen belt size in the article, still figured Id ask because many report that it has too much vibration, wanted to hear from someone who had it working well. So thank you for checking and giving the p/n.

Sorry to sound a bit uneducated here, but I dont no what you mean about the plugs. Dummy terms? Where to buy?

Thanks for your help, very much appreciated!
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

plugs are 1/4" National Pipe Thread . available most any hardware store . bigger selection at home depot or lowes . the only dumb/stupid question is the one that is not asked . good luck .
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by UNCLE TOM
plugs are 1/4" National Pipe Thread . available most any hardware store . bigger selection at home depot or lowes . the only dumb/stupid question is the one that is not asked . good luck .
Great, the GF works at HD! Thanks for all your help!
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Have fun trying to get those lines out from behind the block. After you get that out of there, you can re-route the heater valve.



All I did was take the hoses off the valve, run them under the AC lines around the drier. Cleans everything up a TON.
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Wow that looks great! So much cleaner! Thanks for the pics.

As for the line behind the block, Ive read that people just cut it and just leave it there.
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Old Aug 31, 2008 | 10:23 PM
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I left mine in until just recently when I started my engine swap. That's when that second pic was taken, but it was cleaned up about that much anyway.
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Old Sep 3, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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I left mine in until just recently when I started my engine swap. That's when that second pic was taken, but it was cleaned up about that much anyway.
I can see whats missing and I still can tell that it looks much much better. BUt I ahve to ask, did you use the same hoses? Any tips? Looks great and I really want to do it. Thanks!
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 12:51 AM
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I used the hoses that were already there. All I had to do was take them off the valve, re-route them, and put them back on. You do have to take them loose on both ends to get the hose to rotate the correct way since they are preformed. While I have the coolant drained, I might go through and make a write-up about it this weekend. If you want to just figure it out, go ahead. Otherwise if I remember I'll try and get something written up with pictures.
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 01:30 AM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

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I used the hoses that were already there. All I had to do was take them off the valve, re-route them, and put them back on. You do have to take them loose on both ends to get the hose to rotate the correct way since they are preformed. While I have the coolant drained, I might go through and make a write-up about it this weekend. If you want to just figure it out, go ahead. Otherwise if I remember I'll try and get something written up with pictures.
"loose on both ends" That is what I was wondering. I was looking under the hood today, and realized the shape of the hoses. And of course I thought they would kink if I moved them the way they were. So that cleared it up.

I await a write-up with great anticipation!
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Old Sep 6, 2008 | 07:49 PM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

I heard Florida is going to be doing smog checks soon, so I hope you didnt throw those parts away. You'll need them to pass.
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Old Sep 7, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin91Z
I heard Florida is going to be doing smog checks soon, so I hope you didnt throw those parts away. You'll need them to pass.
Not heard of this... I think they killed it all completely in 2000 or 2001...

If you find out something about it please post link, thanks.
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

Ok new question. The only size that is close that all my local part stores have is 967K6. Thats only .1" smaller, but I figured Id ask before I get it, so is it ok to get or no?
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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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Yes I am sure your tensioner can make up for .1 of an inch.
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 03:01 AM
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Yes I am sure your tensioner can make up for .1 of an inch.
Thanks, just wanted to make sure the ten wasnt already pushed too far
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Old Sep 16, 2008 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TZFBird
I used the hoses that were already there. All I had to do was take them off the valve, re-route them, and put them back on. You do have to take them loose on both ends to get the hose to rotate the correct way since they are preformed. While I have the coolant drained, I might go through and make a write-up about it this weekend. If you want to just figure it out, go ahead. Otherwise if I remember I'll try and get something written up with pictures.
Hey, wheres my write-up?
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 01:26 AM
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i got some headers and took off the air and then i just rerouted my heater hoses i cut the on that gos to the heater valve (PLASTIC ) turned it around and plugged it straight into the hearter core and plugged the lower hose looks alot cleaner
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 06:47 AM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

Why not keep your stock size belt and use the AIR pump delete pulley?
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Old Sep 18, 2008 | 07:01 AM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

Originally Posted by Rockyd
i got some headers and took off the air and then i just rerouted my heater hoses i cut the on that gos to the heater valve (PLASTIC ) turned it around and plugged it straight into the hearter core and plugged the lower hose looks alot cleaner
Very nice! But Id like to keep everything functional, as everything in my car still works... for now...

Originally Posted by Mongoose
Why not keep your stock size belt and use the AIR pump delete pulley?
Belt is cheaper. And its probably about time to replace it anyway.
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Old Sep 19, 2008 | 01:41 AM
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thats what i want my heater still works the only thing is i dont have the ugly plastic peice there that plastic valve is to divert the coolant from running in the heater core when not in use but like many other cars out there thats fine if it does so my heater works no check engine light on and i still pass emmisions so everything still works on my car
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Old Sep 20, 2008 | 01:48 AM
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Re: A.I.R. Removal Questions...

Originally Posted by Rockyd
thats what i want my heater still works the only thing is i dont have the ugly plastic peice there that plastic valve is to divert the coolant from running in the heater core when not in use but like many other cars out there thats fine if it does so my heater works no check engine light on and i still pass emmisions so everything still works on my car
Doesnt that affect A/C operation though?
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Old Mar 7, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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Who has that belt because I went to Autozone and they do not carry that one.
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