ok i still have the 305 so take that into consideration ok. i already have headers and an open element. i plan on getting either vortec heads or sr toquer 305 heads with edelbrock performer intake (vortec performer for the vortech heads) that and an lt1 cam, 600cfm edelbrock carb and of course ill need a new distributer. anyways you think this will outrun a 5.0? i should hope so but who knows. the 2.73s are going by the end of summer for some 3.42s but i dont know when yet. i have an auto to with a trans-go shift kit...im trying to decide wether to mod my car (if i keep it a 350 will go in someday) or get a mustang.

 

My friend has the same car as you...an '88 Camaro 305. When he tried to race me (me with 4 people...him all alone) the results were still embarassing for him.

Outrun a 5.0 with those mods? no. Maybe a stock automatic GT 5.0. Pull next to a LX with a few goodies and you will still see some tails.

Not trying to be harsh, but that's just what i think.

 

i think it would be close,

 

You'll definately need some gears. Then I think you'll give a stock 5spd a good run.

 

Um, No.

 

You shouldnt have a problem hitting mid 14's with that combo (which would beat some stangs).

Heres what I would do differently
-definetly world heads w/ some porting
-definetly bigger cam than LT1
-3.73's...carbs tend to be more high rpm, but depends on the cam you are going with

With those differences (depending on how large of cam and how much porting) you could probably hit low 14's/high 13's.

If youre going to do something, you might as well do it right!

-Doug

 

Here is the truth,

A stock 5.0 auto.............................Yes

A stock 5.0 stick.............................No

My car............................................No

There are too many different scenerios to compare, just try racing one to find out!

 

i raced my buddies 91 automatic GT when my car was pretty much stock and all he had was exhaust he beat me by about 2 car lengths. i know the sticks are alot faster...but WTF a 305 with heads, cam, and intake cant outrun a 225hp car what gives

 

the fact that he has a 3.55 gear and that car weighs like nothing. Fox bodies way next to nothing. I HATE mustangs like alot of people but a friend has one and it is really fast and his was a 92 mustang with an exhaust and it was fast.

 

Stock 5.0 sticks can go low 14s high 13s in good tune,LXs not GTs, and I was told, on here, that it would take a lot of heavy mods on a 305 to go 13s. So I still say no!

Oh ya, and weighing next to nothing? My car definately weighs over 3500 lbs without me in it! I haven't taken a thing out and added heavier wheels and seats!

 

high 13s out of a completely stock 5.0L 5speed? i dont know about that. id give it low 14s with a great driver, but most people would run mid-high 14s with one. i ran a 13.9 in my Vette bone stock. i seriously doubt a stock fox body would run that time

 

a 225hp fox body wont outrun a new 260hp GT and the new GTs dont break 13s stock so i seriously doubt a fox can.

 

There's been a FEW recorded instances of fox body coupes running 13's stock, but they're very few and far between. Most of them will run low to mid 14's stock.

That's not a very informed statement.

 

i think that combo should get you into the low 14's.NJSPEEDER on the TBI board got a 14.2 with his 305 TBI.all he has done is ultimate TBI work,open element,full exhaust,edelbrock heads(a biggie on our motors),some other really minor stuff done,and a whole lotta suspension work,not to mention his car is also a few hundred pounds lighter.but i think with the carb swap,the heads,AND the LT1 cam,you should be around low 14's,as long as you can get traction and shift at the right points.so im gonna say yes,i think i 5.0 isnt too far out of reach for ya.

 

right now my car will get eaten alive by almost everything. my shocks and struts are so bad right now that i cant hardly get any power to the ground at all. soon as i get a few more bills (still in high school) im going to get eibach springs and kyb shocks/struts and soon hopefully posi and i might just save up for a GM crate motor and be done with it

 

i agree on a few things. a bigger cam is a must as well as steeper gears, 3.73's will do you fine. vortec heads are better performing heads than the S/R torquers, there are a billion dyno results out there as well as flow ratings that show this. also, you will not be in the high 13's without good compression and traction, and even then it is iffy. you should be able to run with a lot of mustangs though. from what i have seen at the local track lately, i have yet to see a 5.0 or a 4.6 live up to the times a lot of people post for them on here. not trying to flame, just being honest.

 

u said carb, i assume you're ditching the computer all together? if that's the case why only going with the LT1 cam? i'd go bigger, at least go 3.42's...but yeah u could get some stock stangs, the modded ones will still take you...

 

The truth is, how many stock Stangs are out there? I only know of one and we are selling it! Most Stangs have at least exhaust, gears, and minor bolt-ons (pulleys, K&N, Shifters, etc...) and these should get them well into the 13s with traction! unkown_host, hopefully this weekend I can get a tape from the track, there is an MHRA (Mustang Heads-Up Racing Association) event and there will be a Factory Stock class, my class, that will have tons of stock, or minor bolt-on cars running in it, and there will be a bunch going 13.6-14.0 with only gears, pulleys, and tires and some doing low 13s with suspension and less weight! I would likr to get some video and post it here to remove some doubts about Stangs, and plus I will get my times also! I'm hoping this damn sucking sound isn't hurting power!

 

I think there's proof enough sitting in my driveway... '01 GT, automatic trans, 10k miles. K&N in the stock airbox and Magnaflows welded into the stock catback, 13.93 @ 98 mph, 2.0 60's.

First time I ever sat in a 5 speed 99+ GT I ran a 14.28 in it blowing the tires away off the line and then again on the 1-2 shift. The track was so slick that night that I was even spinning coming off the line in my 4 cylinder. That car was bone stock down to the paper filter.

 

i am not saying they cant run good times, i am saying last friday at the track there were two fox body stangs, both in the high 14's and 1 newer gt that was in the mid 14's.

 

Some people can't drive. I have seen LS1s go 14s consitently before, so the driver plays a huge roll!

 

Lots gives...EFI compared to TBI and EFI wins in every category. TBI is a cross between wanting to be FI and Carbed. Heh mustangs, especially Notchbacks are a lot lighter therefore can run a tenth or two faster. My 88 SC 305 TBI with gears/headers/shiftkit/open element/pulleys, and maybe a few more mods, didnt come close to a 5.0 Actually I remember getting my cat gutted (i was retarded back then) and i knew i lsot bottom end but gained top end so i had my buddies AOD 5.0 crappy tuned stang with just 3.55s run me. he blew my doors off. with that setup you could probably run mid 14s at BEST, id assume with age and beating on it a high 14 low 15 is more reasonable. i ran a 15.8 @ 88mph with my SC. 305 TBIs can be built to run 13s, but u have A LOT of work ahead of you then. i dont mean to ruin ur day but...drive the 305 TBI, put an exhaust with headers on it and just cruise it around 2 enjoy. build a car that has a little more potential (not that the 305 doesnt have any, ive owned one in the past and one now). the induction is horrible, EFI still beats TPI but TPI isnt that bad. why the newer gens run SFI and EFI i believe. if ya plan 2 do it, a few guys on this board have ran 13s all motor 305s (307 cu i believe after they were done). good luck

 

hehe i just thought of this, but when i bought my iroc and we raced...i put 3 car lengths on him by 3rd gear...hehe then he had daddy run out and buy him a slowbra... oh well :lala: :lala: :lala: :lala:

 

Hi,

That 305 Should run pretty good if the rings are still tight. The LT1 cam is somewhere around 204/214 @ 465/480 lift right??

With the heads, carb, cam, intake, and correct timing and fuel mixture I figure about:

270 HP with stock manifolds, mufflers, cats
320 HP with headers, hi-flow cat, racing muffler (flowmaster, etc)

What does your car weigh with you in it?? 3500?? With the 3.42 gears your ET can be anywhere from 13.8 - 14.2, depending on your exhaust I'd think..

If you can give me exact flow numbers I can give you a better answer.

btw, the "Mustang Heads Up" racing association races at my track, and those guys go pretty quick. I've seen stock LX's run 14.00, and modded ones run high 11s..

-- Joe

 

anesthes, look for a black LX the next time you go, it's an 86 coupe and he goes mid 13s at Lebanon and low 13s high 12s at New England! The stock ones range from high 13s to mid 15s, one auto GT vert, and now she goes mid 14s! This Saturday they will be running and I will be there hoping they lest me qualify! Some of the REALLY modded cars go 9s but there classes usually don't fill up like Factory Stock or Limited Street!

 

Hey Man,

This saturday is the super-chevy show isn't it? I thought there isn't any test sessions?? Next week is import wars..

Have you been up the last couple of weekends? I blew my clutch up 2 weeks ago, still waiting on parts.

 

I went to the last MHRA event and it got rained out!!! Sucks about the clutch, hope you can get it fixed cheap. I'm pretty sure this weekend is the Mustang Racing.

 

I think you could run with some 5.0s with all that, BUT you need to get your suspension in tune. Something like LCAs w/ relocation brackets and a panhard bar, and some Z-rated tires (I suggest the Kuhmo Supra 712s). If you don't plant all that power your trying to produce you're just going to sit there and spin in place. It looks cool spinning your tires, but it's kind of hard for the other guy to see that in a rear view mirror.

 

Hey,

At New England Dragway? says super-chevy show on the website..

Gunny: your crazy.

-- Joe

 

What did he say?

 

Thank you....I'll take that as a compliment :lala:

 

I'm not really sure what he said either.

The 305 really isn't a bad motor. I built a 305 in my Z28 to see what would happen; and how long it would take to blow it up. Its pushing around 325hp (give or take) n/a, and with the blower it should push about 410 or so.


FYI, I run 26-8.5 slicks, and a jegster torque arm and I can lift my front tires off the ground.. I've heard the lca's, panhard rods, and all that aftermarket help, and prolly on the street work the nuts.


-- Joe

 

Those mustangs will surprize you. though they are far from invincable. A 305 is not an engine to build on. I own a LB9 myself and I'll tell you while it's a fun fast ride (and I can beat my fair share of 5.0 stangs) a modded 350 will get the job done better. That bald tire will hurt you too Don't switch to a mustang (not that their bad) but if you keep switching cars you'll never get anything done.

 

I think you will have a good combo as long as you ditch the LT1 cam and get soemthign bigger. you should be looking at low 14's high 13's. possibly even mid 13's with suspension work and traction.

 

I meant at Lebanon Valley for the MHRA event! They used to run at Epping but the track complained about the number of cars it drew and the group moved to Lebanon Valley!

 

i agree about the cam..if you're going with no computer go bigger

 

damn double post

 

Problem is a good roller cam will cost him 250 easy.. a good non-roller is like 100.00 . hah.

Whats the duration + lift on the lt1 cam??


Mustang: Didn't realize it, I remember all you guys up there last fall.. What was the track complaining about??

We can't run slicks on fridays anymore up there, But the good thing is the Imports appear to be considerate enough to race on wednesdays and fridays only, and not show up on saturdays..

-- Joe

 

i do plan on a 350 sometime but right now i just cant afford it. ill be willing to throw a 50hp shot of n2o in there so i can beat some stangs much easier. i was thinking about possibly getting vortec heads and **** not milling them and then throwing them on a 350 hopefully by next fall or so. Im still not sure. i do plan on some suspension mods and good tires. i have the 15x7s tho. i was thinking about getting bigger rims but thats even more money. yes the computer will be useless in the car if i swap in the carb. i have new shocks and struts sitting in my room right now waiting to get springs then im gonna put them in. new tires are coming in a couple weeks to. i have to get it riding right again before anything. when i raced the 5.0 stang auto that was stock i lost by 2 car lengths...now i have hooker headers , no cat, and flowmasters. and timing has been played with so maybe i could do alittle better now. i dont see why it would take so much to get a 305 running with a 302 i know the 302 is a much better motor but it cant be impossible to see 250hp from a 305.

 

WHy don' t you stick with the TBI? Its not a bad system, infact, it can produce more power than TPI (but less torque) in some situations and be much mof efficient than a carb.

I like fi.

-- Joe

 

well if you're serious about a 350 swap do everything you want to do to the car now, meaning get the suspension done..get the rims..get everything set up for the 350, and just drop it in when u can afford it

 

i wanted to go ahead and get everything for a 350 till i find a block then put it all on there (heads,cam,intake,carb)