My brother was street racing his 88 iroc a beautiful car. The car he was racing made the corner he didnt. His car slid sideways into a light pole ripping the car in half an bursting into flames. The only reason he is alive is that the other racer returned an pulled him from the flames. The other driver then transported him to a hospital. With out subframes and a cage nothing holds a camaro together but the thin roof an floor, even worse with t tops. Please be advised my information at the time of this post was sketchy at best since no one knew who the person who rushed him to hosp was. Turns out the other driver wasnt racing him but was behind him as he entered corne only 5 mph over limit, a car coming other way with high beams on was wide my bro moved over an when his passenger tires fell off the crown he started to slide a wet muddy swale. with no shoulder he didnt have a chance. Blood test came back clean he was sober an not stoned.

 

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Dang dude, sorry to hear about your brother, glad to hear he is ok. The other driver should be commended for coming back, I bet there are a lot of people who wouldn't.

 

lucky no one was riding shotgun

 

i tried several times to get him to upgrade his frame as i have mine i even own torches an welders, but he would not listen said its a street car not a drag car like mine. now he knows but this accident has destroyed his life the FHP is trying to prove racing an alcohol, wich means no insurance for med didnt have collission an no job for a while. broken femur requiring pins, bad facial lacerations. Not much I can do to help him as we havent talked due to arguements about his drinking in months. still wont talk to me, just hope somebody else will learn how dangerous the f body is with out frame upgrades. be SAFE

 

Holy ****. That's crazy. I'm glad your brother is alright. Thank *** for the other guy being a real man.



edit: Hmm...didn't realize you couldn't say G0d on here ;p

 

I have to commend the guy that pulled your brother out of the car, he should get an award or something.

so, was he drinking when the accident happened????

 

**** man, that happend to a guy i know, he tore the front half of his car the same way, hitting a poll, but wasnt street racing... split the engine bay from the car... the hatch broke and a kid popped out the back, he was ok, the driver (the guy) was bad, and the pass. was the star football player for the high school at the time. he hurt his knee. sorry to hear about your brother and that was awsome that the guy came back to help your brother out. i wouldnt know how to thank him for his help... thats guy just did a good thing right there... hope ur bro is alright and recovers well. tell ur bro that all of us from thirdgen hope he feels better!

 

Damn, that is scary. Glad to hear he is recovering and thanks for posting. A board like this needs examples like this so people don't get carried away. Hot rodding cars is great fun, but it ain't worth dieing for. That's why I like racing in a straight line in a 14 second car.

 

I just wanted to thank you all for your replys. It hasn't been proven he was drinking yet, the FHP is still doing the investigation on the accident. I visited the sight, and there were beer bottles, but they could be throw outs. But it is his M.O. If you want to help, I'm concidering opening a account to help him, because of his stupity, the insurance most likely won't cover him especially if he was drinking and racing. But, if nothing else, just make sure any one you know, knows the dangers of this with out any welding, cages or subframes, even if someone else hits them. Thank you for all your support. Storman

 

the fhp has proven no alcohol, not racing, just excessive speed,no tickets. he has lost his job due to recovery time no sick or vacation days, will loose his apartment an has no other income. will have to live with his parents in a retirement community till he can get back on his feet. has no other car an lots of bills. any one wanting to help with a donation may contact my parents at thefleurys@helbing.net or by mail fleurys 24000 Rampart blvd #106 Victoria Estates Port Charlotte Fla 33980 my brother is at Englewood Community Hospital 941-475-6571 bed 101-1. He is very depressed and could use encouragement an words of hope.

 

Dear G0d... that's a crazy story... I certainly hope your brother gets on his feet.

Maybe all of us here at thirdgen.org could "sign" a "card" to him, or maybe just print out a thread of us sending our condolences, since he was driving a thirdgen and you are a member I think it'd be appropriate... but then again if you aren't on speaking terms...

 

Oh, and what the other driver did is very commendable. I would certainly hope somebody would be willing to help me in a situation like that.

 

Man, that hits close to home...

I just lost a friend due to careless driving (while drinking). He was about a block from home, going WAY to fast, (from skids 75mph in a 30) after drinking, in his '96 cobra. The road turned left and he couldnt hold on to it. He slid off the road into a stone and brick sign.

He was found dead on arrival in the pass. seat.

Just a reminder... DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE. I used to think "hey Im only a few blocks away..."

You can bet your @ss I'll never get behind the wheel drunk again.

I am glad to hear that everyone is okay. I hope everything works out for the best.

Be safe out there guys.

-Doug

 

Here's another good point of not to ****ing street race. its not worth it. if he wasnt racing on the streets he would be fine and his camaro would still be in beautiful shape. i think he should learn from this **** and not street race anymore. he's very lucky that the other guy came back for him but still they both were stuipd as **** for street racing, also if he was drinkin that makes it double the danger becuz he could have swearved hit the other racer and kill each other. heres some food for thought "TAKE IT TOO THE TRACK" simple as hell. even if u have to pay what 25-30 bucks just to race who cares still take it too the track. sorry i had to vent about how stuipd people can been. i know im only 18 but i do make decisions were i know things could happen that are bad and things that are good just depends on what is happening.

 

wow!! thank go<x>d your brothers ok .. to bad he lost the car ..where in florida was this


I said Go<x>d

 

First I would like to thank all of you for reading an responding, then I would like to say no my brother was not drinking or high all test by FHP came back clean. He wasnt racing after all per the FHP and the witness who pulled him out and a neighbor who was on a porch nearby. He is recovering slowly and painfully his right femur actually was out of the skin broken, his face is all cut up and he is very bruised. Imagine the feling of knowing you have no car no money cant pay rent or med bills not covered by insurance and have to be carried by your retired parents in a retirement village. His boss said if there is a open position when he recovers they will take him back. So if you can send a little something to his parents at the address in the previos posts. this happened at 10 pm friday night sep 6th in port charlotte fla. Reason for the accident to fast for conditions or missed turn FHP estimates the speed at 50-60 mph. Please tell everyone who owns a f body from 82-02 that even if they dont race subframes an cross bars are necessary.

 

I am really glad your brother is o.k. I looked at the picture and said to myself "ain't no way somebody survived that." One in a million.

 

He is lucky to be alive. And really lucky the other driver helped him out.

 

Man stuff like that makes me think more and more. I need to start remembering to wear my seat belt im glad he is ok I dont see how anyone could survive that.

 

glad to hear your bro is ok

also nice to know that there are decent ppl out there racing


I admit racing is not safe and think off the streets is the best,though I admit I would still go out and do it knowing that. but I want to be away from as many ppl as I can and I make sure that those around me (anyone in the car or following) is really aware of it. it is the only way to do it

just hope this event brings to ppls minds who think it will never happen to them the knowledge that NOBODY is safe

it can happen to anyone of us and by racing you are taking your life and those around you and putting it in danger

so please guys keep it off the streets and if you do race on the streets.... keep it safe and away from others ppl

---james

 

I street race. I know its dangerous but where I do it I think its fairly safe: In the middle of no where, straight road for miles, middle of the night, NOBODY stands/parks after the line.

Racing around a corner on the street? Sorry but thats just STUPID. A cage and frame connectors wouldnt have helped very much ...Not racing around corners would have solved the problem.

 

Didn't he say that he wasn't racing?

 

Hey... you got your name back...cool

 

Glad to here you bro is getting better. Hope he learns a lesson from this. He is lucky he didn't kill a pedestrian or another driver. Subframes or roll bar would not have done much good, may have been worse. There was a kid around here in a 2nd gen with a roll cage & slicks running from the cops, lost control & hit a tree. He & his 14 year old brother are both dead. Let's keep racing on the track where it belongs.

 

have you found out how fast he was going? that looks like damage from wwaaayyyy over 100mph I would guess. and how is your bro doing? it has been a couple days since you updated us.

 

Glad to hear your brother is OK and that they cleared him of the DUI accusations,

Hey lets keep the complaining about how we shouldnt street race OFF the street racing board, some is safe, some isnt, its each persons responsibility to make sure they arent doing anything stupid if and when street racing, and quite often just driving around, stuff happens with stupid drivers for no apparent reason, heres 1 example, no i wasnt over the speed limit, and practically nobody near me on a 3 lane road:

 

that's my favorite way to race is around the corners

not many tracks up here to go into the twist but I know of a few spots out there that have nobody around and late at night there is nothing to hit


also we send a person out ahead to scout making sure that things are cool and he can let us know if somebody is comming

 

Ok please go back an read all my posts on my brothers wreck, some of you are missing details. At first we thought he might have been racing an or drinking, Details were sketchy at first due to the fact that my parents, brother an i havent talked in a long time, family thing. He was not racing or drinking just moved over to far to make room for a car coming the other way to wide once those wide 16 tires dropped off the narrow fla shoulder an hit a wet sloppy shoulder he was in a slide into pole. The person behind him an the FHP determined 50 mph. I neither condemn or support street racing I do test my car occasionaly with my G tech on a empty long road in a desolate area with look outs. My brother is at home recovering an thanks all of you for your support he gets his e mail at tree_mt@ewol.com. The entire purpose of this post was to warn of the dangers of the 3rd gen frame weakness. thanks storman

 

yea i am the 700th viewer. saw this post a few times. still feel sorry about ur family man ur bro shouldnt be mad at u ur trying to help his sorry *** that is just ****ed up rite there man. props to u

 

The reason for the fight was over this rare 455 olds rocket i found for his cutlass totaly rebuilt and detailed installed trouble shooted and gave to him on the codition no smokey no drinky cant sell or trade the motor even though he paid for parts an machine work .I only expected a rembursement for labor an shop supplies or the opportunity to purchase. This was one hell of a sleeper motor that made great power an torque. He agreed to this as did my parents. He sold it lied about it got caught an pissed me off. We are now patching things up as his brush with death has made him realize priorties an who is true.

 

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I think i was as lucky as your brother.. me and my cousin about 3 weeks ago were driving around in his 1993 z28 Pace car. he got it up to 370 hp. it was awesome.. we were in a mall parking lot at about 7:30. it was empty and we did 2 donuts and a brand new black SS pulled up. and tryed to do a donut but couldnt due to bad driver lol. he came next to us and said wanna race . my cuz was like.. are you serious. so they went into the street area of the mall.. very very slick pavment. and it was a twisty road. and very narrow.. the ss floors it and we pop it into 1st then 2nd then overdrive and by that time we are over 80 and ahead of the ss by a close cars lenth.. a car coming the opposite lane going about 50 comes into our lane.. we sweve but come back cuz we would have ran into the ss so we start to skid sideways at about 85 hit the front tires on a curb tipping the car alittle bit. and then hitting another curb parallel sending it hurling into a huge lightpost..... i was wearing a seat belt.. he wasnt.. he flew into me right when we hit the pole.. if we hadnt hit that pole we would have flipped multiple times.. i got a bump on my head..thats it.. the car was on its right side against the pole.. the two cars involved never turned around but kept going.. a groupe of guys that came about 10 seconds after it happend and we climbed out of the car and we all tipped it over... from the impact both rims snapped. and the frame was surely bent. and wear the passenger side hit the post it was crunched.. but the camaro held up surprisingly..
he got 16k in insurance.. and we got banned from the mall.
we could have been way hurt. maybe even dead..

 

Whew, scary.

Why did you go first, second, overdrive?

 

im not sure about the shifting thing.. but i did see him slam it into 1st. i know he didnt want to have to floor it.

 

Damn dude, where do you live, what highschool did u go to? That kids name was Brad wasnt it. I heard about that a couple days after it happened. very sad

 

I'm very sorry to hear about your brother. I hope everything works out out for the best. I have learned my lesson from this post. Lucky I see this before I get my license.

 

Funny how we spent thousands on performance parts weeks installing and adjusting for more performance and often for get the most critical performance part in the car.... The driver! the first line of defense in a car is your ability to control it and make sound judgment calls. any thing that impairs that ability is compounded by the extra performance we work so hard for.

Thank *** your brother is alive. when all is said and done a car is just a machine.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your bro man, I can only imagine how that would scare the **** out of someone. I've seen many close calls, but never anything serious. I know how I feel when I see someone loose control, so I can't even begin to think.......damn. I hope that he gets well quick, send my regards.
-From on Thirdgen to the next. We're all family here.

 

I think we all understand street racing is dangerous, but I think that is why some of us are attracted to it. Juggling fire isn't safe, but if done properly, is a rush. (used fire juggling as an examp. lol) As long as we continue to expand our awareness for the dangers of the sport, I think it can and will live on...!

 

yep SO many examples why i dont race unless on a track. doesnt matter where it is or how safe you "think" it is, its probably not.

 

Just another reminder, this one will hit close to home for some people

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=135047

the driver of the car was a regular on thirdgen. and an active member in the cascade crew. and HE WILL BE MISSED.

this goes to show that street racing is very dangerous.

be carefull out there everyone.

 

I used to race the twisty stuff with my camaro, and I look back and think how lucky I am Im not dead. If I had a V-8 when I first got my liscense id be dead, as instead of 85 it wouldve been over 100 there and id have lost control. If I race at all its on straight roads with NO traffic. More likely, I "race" like I do with my father. He kinda slows down, looks in his rearview mirror grins and takes off. Im right behind him, and I see how well I can hold on him. He smokes me without fail, but oh well. The way I do that if I cant not hit the car in front of me if I keep my foot on the gas I call it a win, and if someone did the same I say they beat me. Only had that happen once, thanks dad.