hey guys some punk at my school just bought 95 eclipse turbo with intercooler a blow of valve and some other junk i hat the thing and the kid there is a pool wich is around $200 and climing if i can beet him! we figure it will be some thing like 0-100 or so or maybe a 1/4 mile. I am runing a 89 iroc 5.7 tpi 700r4 3.73 posi, i got 3'' slp cat back with no cat but stock manifolds and y pipe, a airfoil, k&n filters throttle body hot water by pass modified MAF, 8.8mm wires and accel ignition it is realy quick i was neck and neck with a 94 trans am5.7 ls1 6spd . i have yet to run my car at the trake yet . i heard the the eclips is fast though what do you think i dond want to look like an idiot if i did

 

Is it all wheel drive? I think if he is front wheel drive then you will rape him, but if he is awd then it will be a pretty good race off the line.

 

Ehh, I'd put my money on him possibly. Depends on what his mods really are, but with upped boost, a front mount intercooler, etc he would be pretty damn fast. You need to be more specific about what he really has. Especially if he has the AWD you are in trouble (GSX Eclipse is AWD, GST was front wheel drive). If he is FWD you may be able to get him if you launch really well. And again, it depends on exactly what mods he has, you're not very specific. Put it this way, with what you've hinted at for his mods he has a very real possibility of being a good bit quicker than your gears/catback L98...

 

no its not all wheel its just front but someone just told me it has an upgraded turbo im not sure what kind or anything. Isaw him lay down about 25 feet of rubber from a stop the other day wich is similar to my traction problem. its hard to go from a stop without spining up into second. I think i am confident that i will take him, i figured i would see what you gyes had to say first. ill get some good pis when we race! thanks for the imput

 

Ok, with an aftermarket larger turbo he will have you outgunned. But he will have traction problems with the FWD. Try to keep the race as short as you can, 1/4 mile at most, ideally only a 1/8 mile race. Because he will be gaining once he gets going. And you better practice till you get down the perfect launch, you don't launch good and he has you all the way around. He could still be out of tune, or may not be able to drive very well and such so who knows, but all things being equal he's faster than you, just going by what it sounds like he has... If you're off on his mods then it's up in the air. It's night and day difference with these things with the right mods...

 

ya thats what i was afraid of but it is his first five speed car and from what i hear from people who have driven with him he is real sloppy at shifting. I might want to hurry up and race him befor he gets better wich wont take long. What is your opinion on what it might take on top of the mods wich i already have? i think i got a good platform to work on. I am planning on getting some heders and a chip soon i am shoping around i just placed an ad on parts wanted for headers & y pipe.

 

sorry i am not spacific enough on his mods i am not sure what they are because i havnt realy got a chance to tae a look at it its been word of mouth you kow how that is. O yea for some reason he still has the stock exaust on it, it was the way it was when he bought it. I think it is a GS. but not sure. I SHOULD PROBLY LOOK INTO IT BEFOR I TAKE A CHANCE AT MAKING A FOOL OF MYSELF

 

just a few things I wanted to add

94 trans am didn't have the LS1 but the LT1... i think low 14's to high 13' stock

also as far as sloppy shifting. I am a very slopping shifter when just driving. something with the TPS is maladjusted so just tap gas and it surges real bad. also shifting gears is the same story.

an upgraded eclipse might be able to take you fairly easily if he has anything really done to it


but then again FWD is kinda a problem

 

it might be a very close race.. good luck!

 

i dunno what to tell you...
if its AWD he'll slam u in the begining... but you'll catch up...
unless he upped his boost... and has a better intercooler...
if FWD i think u should win... but then the fact of the matter is that we don't know what he has...

good luck tho!

 

My friend raced my one friend one night and he has a 97 eclipes turbo. it has upgraded turbo, hks bov, greddy boost controller, full hks exust, lowered, different pistons and he raced my friend with an 87 gta with 5.7 tpi, 700r4, 9 bolt (worn) posi rear with suposivly 3.73 gears.

the raced and my friend with the gta got beat. and the eclips is fwd and auto.

id watch out for that kid enless he learns how to shift now, becuz he might beat u. just make sure u heat ur tires up so u can get more traction and also learn how to launch. maybe find someone with a set of dragradials u can barrow for that race.

 

Just race him. If you get beat it's an excuse to do some more mods. No shame in loosing to any car, unless you miss shifts, stall it out, or launch a motor. Then I would be embarrassed. Where's Borne, MA. If you loose maybe someone else could show Eclipse guy the rear lights of a 3rd gen.

 

Plumma, New England Dragway opens on April 2nd. Tell this guy you'll race him up there. That should give you some time to get your car sorted out. New England Dyno and Tuning is having a Dyno day on March 22th. Bring your car there and get some baseline numbers on your car. After you find out what hp and torque #'s your car makes, get a pair of drag radials. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

Well i guess i'm the punk with the eclipse. Its a 95 Gst FWD. Since he can't figure the mods out i'll help you guys out.

Big16g turbo running 17LBS of boost
A Dejon Tool cool air intake
660cc injectors
Walbro 190 fuel pump
Apex'i Super AFC
Greddy upper and lower intercooler piping
Blitz BOV
Dejon Tool boost controller
Magnacore plug wires and iridium plugs
Stillen short throw shifter
Centerforce clutch
gutted cat

I do have the stock exhaust for now but will have a full 3" with downpipe. Also have a frontmount intercooler on its way from JAPAN. By the way his iroc doesn't have a 3.73 rear end it is a 3.24 posi. And i have nothing against camaros and firebirds and for the record i hate Civics.

 

D'OH!

 

Spoom are you beating a Mustang hellyeah DSM.

 

The IROC has a 3.27 rearend. I know this because i am the previous owner. When i had the car it was mint then i sold it and the kid crashed it. Then the kid that wants to race the eclipse bought it from the junkyard bought it for $2000, and we did a quick temporary restoration on it untill the weather warms up. This is my member sn, but my buddy that owns the car now is just using my member name for now. The car is really a very nice IROC, and is the exception to the rule when it comes to most third-gen camaros. I originally bought it for $2800 with 71k miles.
Hopefully this clears up the rearend ratio confusion. Rich.

This is a pic from when i owned it.

 

I think that punk kid with the import will win. It sounds like to me that car is pretty fast to me.

 

ehh yeahhh, that DSM will drop kick the near stock L98...

 

No, never. That's just an illusion created by photoshop!

So you are running 17 lbs of boost on a big16G with a stock exhaust?!? I'm surprised that you haven't melted your catalytic converter yet! You realize that with that level of boost changing from stock to a full 3-inch exhaust will probably give you about another 40 hp or so, right?

I can't believe that you are running that much boost with that turbo on a stock exhaust! Talk about a bottleneck! You've gotta get that changed ASAP!!!

 

Plumma, it's time for nitrous oxide! Talk to Dean at NEDT. You're going to need it!

 

Ok guys, I owned both cars in question. At the same time actually. I had a 1988 350 TPI Trans Am with 3:73 gears. And now I have a 1997 GST. Once my Big16G spools (around 3200) I spin like crazy. But an Iroc is going to lose pretty bad once I hit third. DSMs are cool but... $$$$$$$.

Hey boosted, you must get some fierce boost creep with that stock exhaust. I hope you at least have a 34mm wastgate flapper on that turbo. Check out www.dsmtalk.com if you haven't already. P.S. you should probably start thinking about the 255lph fuel pump. Good luck with the car man, and look out for crankwalk!!!

 

Don't worry i just bought a Apex'i N1 muffler with a 3" inlet and will have custom piping made along with a mid-pipe.
:hail: DSM

 

what a small world it is whaen you run into the kid you want to race. what are you import people doing on a real cars web page. oh yea so even if this eclipe turns out to be what it is said to be keep in mind that he paid about $5000 more for that ugly car. thats alot of sho and not much go that sounds nothing like a real. it looks like its about time to race and see what hapends. Oh yea and "boosted" or what ever you want to call yourself its mark jackson to me, i heard that you were afraid to do over 100mph the other day whats with that.

 

Good thing he probably won't have to go over 85 in this race to win big, hehe...

 

you might want to read the rules
most of your comments could be going against them

as for what import people are doing on a "real car" website?
what defines a real car? sure you can say having a v8 that would be a real car. but ok then what about those cars out there running v12 or v10 motors? so change it now to anything that is v8 or larger... I guess that means the v6 people then have no place on the board because well it's not an 8 cyl so it's not a real car. make this a little better.... a domestic is a real car right? then a lambo, ferarri, porsche, buggati and all the high end sports cars I guess are nothing. they are not a real car then by those standards. so what are you going to do then? make it so only cars running in the 12's are real cars? then YOU don't own a real car so we can't do that either, also that would include some imports being they can run 12's as well.

so honestly now that I said all that what is your def of a "real car"



so he paid $5000 more for his car. if you want to take price into account like that you have no right to have any respect for the ,vette (z06 or coupe), or the 4th gen camaro/firebirds being that they cost a lot more then that.

and as for having all show and no go

Big16g turbo running 17LBS of boost
A Dejon Tool cool air intake
660cc injectors
Walbro 190 fuel pump
Apex'i Super AFC
Greddy upper and lower intercooler piping
Blitz BOV
Dejon Tool boost controller
Magnacore plug wires and iridium plugs
Stillen short throw shifter
Centerforce clutch
gutted cat

I would call that a lot more go then you have.... A LOT MORE GO. to me it sounds as though he has more of a "real car" then you do. at least if he is telling the truth
and and his car might be ugly to you but it is all in who looks at it.

and hey if the guy doesn't want to do over 100mph who cares? I wouldn't say that means your more of a man. it just might mean he is a little smarter. come on you want to drop you sac to the floor to show how much of a "big man" you are by doing 100+ and risk tickets, accident, or death. and trust me this forum has lost a few people do to high speeds it is a VERY TOUCHY subject. do you want to add yourself to that list as well?





last comment I want to make is you came off here saying some punk kid. so far taking the attitude from what I see here I would reverse the roles. he has been fairly respectfull to others on this board while you are going about bashing him straight out. and inderectly bashing me, spoom, as well as a few other import guys on the boards. either way though I think is as long as he is telling the truth and can drive at all your "real car" is going to be toasted by a crummy import. and to be honest with how you act I hope it happens.

nice double standard. he is a punk because he doesn't like thirdgens, yet you go about and bash his car and it is ok? I say you talk a lot of trash about imports... so after he wins another one should show up and win against you again

posted by 88GTAinRI
can't the eclipse kinda be thought of as a domestic
DSM was a union of dodge/mitzubishi right?

and being afraid to do over 85 in an import??? sure if it is a stock beater from 79 I could understand... domestic or import... but if you really are afraid to do over 85 just b/c it is an import you need to get some skills at driving.

 

The irony is unbelievably hilarious...

Well, speaking for myself, I'm interested in any car that is easily modified for more power and not too expensive. Whether they are imports or domestics is really of no consequence to me. I've seen some really killer 3rd gens at the track, so why shouldn't I hang out here to learn more about them?

By the way, all DSMs were built in Normal, Illinois, and they were marketed under both domestic and import brand names.

"Ugly" is defined by personal tastes, and it's useless to argue about personal tastes. As far as the price is concerned, newer cars tend to cost more money. Older 1st gen DSMs are priced similarly to older 3rd gens.

I'm assuming that you meant to type the word "car" and just got excited with the period key. As far as your claim that it's "not much go", I can only assume that you've never ridden in a DSM with any legitimate performance upgrades.

I agree.

I'm also "afraid" to do over 100 mph on public streets. Call me kooky, but I prefer to leave the 100 mph + trapspeeds for the track.

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i just want everyone to know that everything that has been written in this thread under my member name was not by me, a buddy of mine has been using the my name. I am the previous owner of this IROC but he ownes is know. If anyone has questions about the car i'm all ears. For the record personally i favor domestics(chevy&dodge) but if someone wants to modify an import because they realize most domestics are fast from the factory so be it. I just dont like when someone buys a 4-cylinder civic and tints the windows, puts some wheels and exaust on it and thinks they have a ferarri.

 

I worked on these things, they scream off the show room floor.. NEW .. If I were to race myself in a 95 Eclipse agaist my Formula it would be a really close race. I think I'd have to run the eclipse down actually and since I've never gone bulistik in one I have no idea how the run after WOT in third gear red line. This is a new one now...
This is what I have in the Formula ..
- 355ci, WS6, 5speed -
* Ported & Polished Cylinder Heads (Cast # 993)
* 2.02 & 1.6 Manley Pro-Flo Valves
* Harland Sharp 1.6 Ratio Roller Rockers
* Crane Valve Springs and Retainers
* G.M.P.P. Ram Jet Roller Cam
* Crane Roller Lifters
* Speed Pro/TRW 1.25 Dome Forged Pistons
* Windage Tray
* Lightweight Nodular 16lb Flywheel

* Induction - Ported and Gasket Matched
Plentum
Manifold
Runners
52mm Holley Throttle Body
Custom Built Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
#19 GPH Injectors running at 50lbs

* Exhaust All New
Edlebrock Chrome T.E.S. Headers
High-Flow 3" Carsound Cat
3" Mandrel Bent Exhaust Tubing and Tail Pipes
Flowmaster American Thunder Muffler


( Steath Ram in garage being preped for installation along with Prom burning equipment and #30 injectors )

 

I explicitly stated in the rules that it is no longer allowable to insult groups of car owners and post broad "This car sux lol" type statements. Constructive criticism is welcome if you can somehow back it up with facts, but things such as "I'd be afraid to over 85 in one of those recycled steel imports." are simple flames and are thereby no longer allowed on this board. Comments such as "XXX car is a girls car" also contributes nothing to the discussion and is not acceptable behavior for this tech website, save it for cz28.com's lounge.
Bring this back on topic or I'm going to lock it.

 

no kidding anymore

we have lost way too many people

the pumma who owned the car once.. hey it's cool if you don't like the cars even. just long as acknowledge one can be fast... then again we all know by now they can be worked into a pile of that white steamy grain as well


spoom what would you guess this car would put down at the wheels? as well as 1/4 mile time
do you know the specs on that turbo he is running?


boosted95gst if you know I could take your input as well.... oh yeah apexi N1 on a rx7 sound sweet as hell...sure it would sound good on a eclipse...
good luck with the race

why haven't you guys raced yet ?

 

I can't speak for him, but I am running a ported Big16G. It is a really good street turbo with lots of power if complimented correctly. And his setup is definately nice. You can check that turbo out here www.forcedperformance.net

90formula- The eclipse is great in the redline. keeps pulling until you shift. (if you have an upgraded turbo) Especially in third. It's the best gear in my car. By the way, sounds like you've got a nice car man.
Keep up the good work!

 

The power and quarter mile times are going to depend on the supporting mods and how well it's tuned. With the addition of the 3 inch exhaust and the front mount intercooler, he's got the supporting mods part pretty well covered. The only thing left to do is to rewire the Walbro190 (at the very least) or possibly upgrade to the 255 or 255 high pressure model. Datalogging will reveal if is this is necessary. Then he can set the boost and tune away. I hope he's got an EGT gauge and a pocketlogger.

The Big16G is a good mid-size street turbo that can support upwards of 350 whp (someone correct me if I'm wrong here, my numbers might be off). It's a direct bolt-on for 1st gen DSMs and can be installed with a few tweaks to 2nd gens. A comparison of this turbo with some other popular DSM turbos can be found here:

http://www.vfaq.com/mods/Turbo-compare.html

You can get a general idea of what some other FWD guys run at the track with this turbo by clicking this link:

http://www.dsmtimes.org/fwd/index.htm

You can also check the times of other DSMs (AWDs, for example) with this turbo from links on this site.

That's what I'm wondering. The next available track date, you two should definitely have a grudge match!

 

New England Dragway opens April 2nd. I'd love to see this race on a track so we all can "SEE" the timeslips and how fast each car really is in a quartermile.

 

hey look sorry if i was a little out of line and my definition of a real car is not what you made it out to be i only give the kid a hard time because he gives me a hard time it is understood betwwen us. its not how it sounds he is actually a friend of mine i go to schol with him. I am not a big fan of all those kids like my budy already said who put on loud exaust rims tinted windows a loud system and call it fast steet machine. None of this stuff realy means much to me i was brought up as a mopar man anyway i just recently found my liking for camaros. I already own a 57 dodge 354 hemi car and a 64 dodge polara 426 ci. that is what i am realy interested in . Ya maybe his eclips is faster than my car and i dont realy have a problem with that. no one realy nose if his car realy has any of that aftermarket stuff on it its been said it doesnt but who knows. sorry if i came of as a punk but im not im a regular guy who likes cars just like all of you i just perfer some thing more than others but all the power to ya if you want to build up something you like.

 

well seeing your new post I give my appology

I just took things as I saw them and it almost seemed as though you came out to be a little bit of a ...wel for lack of a better word in my have asleep want to be half drunk stupor ( HA and I don't drink ) ... a *****

but with the new understanding again I'm sorry


just not too fond of people going off on others or there cars... unless it really is some guy who thinks his car is gods gift to earth(well if he drives a mclauren F1 I would let it slide cause that is gods gift )

but anyway I am just rambling and more or less incoherent of my surroundings living off 2 hours of sleep for the past few nights so I'm signing off


hasta luego
rx7speed-tracy