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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 12:33 AM
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2.8 Spanking a 99 626Mazda

I'm sitting at a red light on top of my favorite bridge when I see a pair of HIDs Hauling **** up behind me as the light goes green. It was a newer (pretty sure 99) 626 4 door with those Altezza lights, the rims and usual fart can. I figure, I might as well downshift and coast him. I roll beside him for about 1000 yards reving my little six pack. We pull up to the next light and he puts his foot in it (I put about 3 cars on him taking off of course...). He tries to catch up (lowers the distance to about a car and a half), and we approach another red light. Little guy had a hell of a time stopping (trying too hard?). I torque stall and mutilated him again up to about 50, and he nearly rearends a guy at the next light (I let off cause I could see the light). I would have thought that the newer models would have more power, who knew? It's fun racing imports (epecially the fast and the Furious knock offs):rockon:
Old Jan 4, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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Another kill for a V6, hell yeah! (pretty rare to tell you the truth...)

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Old Jan 4, 2004 | 01:11 PM
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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 04:18 PM
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Was it a four banger one. If not I doubt your car would beat a V6 one. They are pretty quick and should run with a LO3 with ease. The newer V6 ones make 220hp and the I-4 makes 160. These are numbers for the new Mazda 6 but they are pretty much the same car because the 626 got replaced by the latter.
Old Jan 6, 2004 | 04:33 PM
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Old Jan 6, 2004 | 07:36 PM
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It was a four banger

The six in a 626 has dual tail pipes (side by side). This one had a single fart can, sounded like four though. Im not sure, but in previous models (mid-early 90's) a 626 came only with a four, the V6 version was the 929 (I think anyway). Reguardless of whether it has more horsepower, it got beat.
Old Jan 6, 2004 | 08:14 PM
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Dude coulda added 30 more horsepower with stickers along with the 2 he gained with the fart puffer......
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
Was it a four banger one. If not I doubt your car would beat a V6 one. They are pretty quick and should run with a LO3 with ease. The newer V6 ones make 220hp and the I-4 makes 160. These are numbers for the new Mazda 6 but they are pretty much the same car because the 626 got replaced by the latter.
The 4 cylinder isn't worth mentioning, but the 6 cylinder 626s came with the same DOHC 2.5L as the Ford Probe. Rated around 160HP. And IMO that's overrated. The engine doesn't do a damn thing till 4000RPM. The newer Mazda 6's DOHC 3.0 with variable valve timing is COMPLETELY different.
Regardless, the 6 cylinder 626 should be able to keep up with a 2.8 F-body, but you beat him and that's all that matters
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Marc 85Z28
The 6 cylinder 626s came with the same DOHC 2.5L as the Ford Probe. Rated around 160HP. And IMO that's overrated. The engine doesn't do a damn thing till 4000RPM. The newer Mazda 6's DOHC 3.0 with variable valve timing is COMPLETELY different.
Regardless, the 6 cylinder 626 should be able to keep up with a 2.8 F-body, but you beat him and that's all that matters
My roomate and I use to detail his uncles 626 that had the 3.0 V6. His was a 98 and it flew for what it is and I can't see an LO3 no less a 2.8 camaro beating it. A win is a win but I think he got lucky. Myabe he ran into one that was older than 99?
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 03:35 PM
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My roomate and I use to detail his uncles 626 that had the 3.0 V6. His was a 98
2.5L The 626 never came with the 3.0
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Marc 85Z28
2.5L The 626 never came with the 3.0
Did it have more power than the Probe one. I have riden in both cars and the probe didn't even compair.
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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Well I did a little more research and found out the info for the 98 i was talking about. It did have the 2.5L and Marc 85Z28 was correct. Also, they said that it made 170hp and 163 ftlbs and could go to 60 in 7 seconds. The 4 banger made 127hp. So most likely he raced the four banger.
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 07:28 PM
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The real question is.....

Seeing how it was a 99, And prolly has a book value of around 5000-6000 Why on earth would someone bother owning, and modifying a four banger anything? It's like going out and spending 20,000+ one one of those Butt ugly Civics. What the hell are people thinking these days? They don't look sporty, I don't care how many spoilers and stickers, neon lights and pretty paintjobs you add....One could say the same for just about every import car out there. Yeah, the silvias looked a little sporty, so did the supra's....That's about it....Why buy an expensive slow looking and underperforming import car (or a slow American car). You can buy a used F-body for pretty cheap, not only do they look fast, apparently even the BASE models can outrun import cars.
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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Re: The real question is.....

Originally posted by FbodTrek
Seeing how it was a 99, And prolly has a book value of around 5000-6000 Why on earth would someone bother owning, and modifying a four banger anything? It's like going out and spending 20,000+ one one of those Butt ugly Civics. What the hell are people thinking these days? They don't look sporty, I don't care how many spoilers and stickers, neon lights and pretty paintjobs you add....One could say the same for just about every import car out there. Yeah, the silvias looked a little sporty, so did the supra's....That's about it....Why buy an expensive slow looking and underperforming import car (or a slow American car). You can buy a used F-body for pretty cheap, not only do they look fast, apparently even the BASE models can outrun import cars.
I bought and modified a 4cyl It would take alot more than your V6 to take it out also. Use your brain before you stereotype people and their cars.
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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Re: The real question is.....

Originally posted by FbodTrek
Seeing how it was a 99, And prolly has a book value of around 5000-6000 Why on earth would someone bother owning, and modifying a four banger anything? It's like going out and spending 20,000+ one one of those Butt ugly Civics. What the hell are people thinking these days? They don't look sporty, I don't care how many spoilers and stickers, neon lights and pretty paintjobs you add....One could say the same for just about every import car out there. Yeah, the silvias looked a little sporty, so did the supra's....That's about it....Why buy an expensive slow looking and underperforming import car (or a slow American car). You can buy a used F-body for pretty cheap, not only do they look fast, apparently even the BASE models can outrun import cars.
wow, in this day and age, thats a mighty skewed perception you have there
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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Re: Re: The real question is.....

Originally posted by 1991tealRSt-topGuy
wow, in this day and age, thats a mighty skewed perception you have there
Agreed. Seeing in how most stock 4 banger imports will work over any LG4 or LO3 from a roll. Buddy of mine lost to a civic in his LO3 and he had a intake and cat back. Not all V8's are fast. And a supra is a bit more than a "sporty looking" car. You do know that a slightly modded one will destroy any heads and cam Gen1/LT1/LS1 right?
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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you guys mention LO3's.. you should say stock LO3's cause mine is about 600 bucks away from running mid 13's
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 11:29 PM
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you guys mention LO3's.. you should say stock LO3's cause mine is about 600 bucks away from running mid 13's
What else do you have to buy and what is your set-up. You may be the first NA 305 TBI to see those times.
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 11:45 PM
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I guess im biased then Ain't I!

To the guy with the subaru: No ****e your car is fast, but you damn sure paid for that piece didn't you? For the cost of one of those I could have one MEAN sbc. Heck, throw a few turbos on a fourbanger and they'll make close to a thousand horses (Tran, Papadakis, Callos....) Heck, you can make ANYTHING haul **** if you got the money! And for the guy talkin about 4 bangers working over V8's from a roll...THAT's NOT drag racing!!! And yeah, a supra is Awesome, Thats why it got special mention, The bottom end in stock form can hold close to 600hp. My statement is Money related, I wasn't trying to dog the import guys (misleaded as they are...). Give me the cost of the car I raced, minus the cost of my car (I payed close to 2000), I'd have enough money left over to piece up a pretty nice 350, hell, I'd even throw a few tubos on there so the import guys wouldn't think it's the v8 stomping their slow *****, "gotta be a turbo, no way he could beat my civic without it!" LOL. The day a civic looks aggressive enough to make me buy it is the day I spread my brains on a cracker. Oh, look, I found a B4c interceptor in the Auto trader with 23.000 original miles for 7500 bucks....I'd much rather have that Mazda though .......
Old Jan 7, 2004 | 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
What else do you have to buy and what is your set-up. You may be the first NA 305 TBI to see those times.
i've got alot.

i'll list everything even though some don't do anything for performance,

LT1 cam
Federal-Mogul Hypereutectic Pistons
lifters
1.6 roller rockers
performer tbi intake manifold
edelbrock headers
World Products S/R Torquer Heads
3 inch pipe all the way from the headers back.. all i did was welded a cat on it to make it look like it was there doing something
custon chip
cloyes timing chain
3.73 gearing (posi)
ultimate tbi mods
open element air cleaner

alot of work but i was going to buy an LO5 brand new for 950 bucks and it only had 210hp so i figured i might as well just spend close to a grand on my motor and be way over 210hp. so i did that.
Old Jan 8, 2004 | 06:45 AM
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Re: I guess im biased then Ain't I!

Originally posted by FbodTrek
To the guy with the subaru: No ****e your car is fast, but you damn sure paid for that piece didn't you? For the cost of one of those I could have one MEAN sbc. Heck, throw a few turbos on a fourbanger and they'll make close to a thousand horses (Tran, Papadakis, Callos....) Heck, you can make ANYTHING haul **** if you got the money! And for the guy talkin about 4 bangers working over V8's from a roll...THAT's NOT drag racing!!! And yeah, a supra is Awesome, Thats why it got special mention, The bottom end in stock form can hold close to 600hp. My statement is Money related, I wasn't trying to dog the import guys (misleaded as they are...). Give me the cost of the car I raced, minus the cost of my car (I payed close to 2000), I'd have enough money left over to piece up a pretty nice 350, hell, I'd even throw a few tubos on there so the import guys wouldn't think it's the v8 stomping their slow *****, "gotta be a turbo, no way he could beat my civic without it!" LOL. The day a civic looks aggressive enough to make me buy it is the day I spread my brains on a cracker. Oh, look, I found a B4c interceptor in the Auto trader with 23.000 original miles for 7500 bucks....I'd much rather have that Mazda though .......
haha my car is a piece? right..get your head out of your ***.
Old Jan 8, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by trans_am_ta_84
i've got alot.

i'll list everything even though some don't do anything for performance,

That is a nice set-up. You may now be limited by fuel and TBI size to get you in the 13's. Have you upgraded your fuel pump or TBI size? My buddys vortec headed LT1 cammed LO3 suffered from the stock pump. He has since remedied that with a walbro unit and he is currently fabbing up his 454TBI. You can just hear the sucking strain and feel the lag on the stock unit at 6200rpm


And for the guy talkin about 4 bangers working over V8's from a roll...THAT's NOT drag racing!!!
Yes you are correct and that is why I posted that in the street racing forum where all runs are not from a timed stop. Make sure you know what forum your in.
Old Jan 8, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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Once again...

To the subaru guy: By piece I didn't mean offense, I refer to every car as "piece" "piece of art", "piece of history" it's all in stride. But, I know it was expensive. I ain't going to war with you, don't get so offended. EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. All I know is THAT four cylinder got burnt, he thought he was fast, he provoked me, and lost to a puny V6 f-body thats probly 400lbs heavier and has less power. that's all. Have a nice day
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