okay guys, i need help. or advice, whatever you wanna call it. anyways... my friend had this civic, one of the newer models, but it was the economy edition and all that, so it sucked ***** and i totally smoked his ***** off one day when he was messing around with me. but his parents seem to have an unlimited wealth of cash, not a lot, but its there. he now has a 1997 honda prelude. i heard those things got around 190hp or something like that. i dont know, but i need to show him whos boss, and right now with my crappy little 305, i dont think i got anything on him. i need advice on what i need to do to in order to keep him in the dust. so, since i'm not really rich, i kinda need some really frugal tips to get me running up around 200hp, is it possible with barely any money?

 

a little bit of bottled love


works every time

 

in reality a decent NO2 kit will run you about 600 if you install it yourself

the LG4 assuming it's in good condition will put down about 165ish hp. so puttin you at 200+ is gonna take some work. you could put yourself at about 185-205 with a K&N air filter and a 14in air cleaner, high heat range plugs, lighter advance springs in the dist., advance the timing, tune the carb to run a hair richer, replace cat with a straight pipe(illegal in most states), and a dynomax ultraflo glasspack(loud). this all shouldn't run you to much. also keep your eye out in ebay, classifides, ect. for people selling thier old equipment for cheap.

oh yeah, anything you don't need remove and place in nearest recepticle

edit #2- e-brock air gap manifold and a mild cam should not run you more than $400 at max and with the other mods stated will put you way past that prelude


(sorry, muffed some numbers, had to edit)

*its early, I'm at work, so I'm not at full speed right now so expect more edits as I wake up :lala:

 

I had a low output 305 once and I got a used set of l69 heads,edelbrock intake and carb, and a cam from sumitt racing all costing around 700 bucks.I don't know how much you have to spend but that should put you up to about 220-230 ish.I noticed a huge difference.

 

There is no way a few bolts ons are going to add 55hp. Sorry. A solid running LG4 is no where near 165 at the wheels, if that is what you were implying by saying "put down."

An open element, plugs, timing bump, and a guttet cat are probaly worth less than 10hp at the crank.

 

first off I'm talking estamated power at crank

second off if you do intake work, exaust work, tune initial timing and the advance curve, and retune the carb, and you don't find at least 10hp. your doing something wrong

if you take that and add a cam and intake manifold, then retune and rejet carb to those parts you will see a major gain.

 

You are right but that wasn't in your first list. Ignition mods and an open element combined with a narrow muffler and gutted cat will not make 200 at the crank.

 

What would be more beneficial than gutting the cat would just be to buy a 3" cat-back. These have something like 2.25" stock exhaust like the TBI models, right? That, with a hi-flow cat (he's in Cali...like gutting it will work for emissions), an open element K&N filter, with all of the other basic mods listed should get you close to 190-200HP actually. Swapping intake, heads, and cam should get you to 220-230HP if all of this other stuff is done as well.

Those Preludes are pretty quick little cars. They only weigh like 2700-2800lbs and have 185HP (I think). They don't have much torque though. You should take him off the line and if you get enough of a jump you should keep it..

 

ok then,

just do a cutout. that will lower your backpressure real fast(LOUD!!)

if you can afford it my vote is still for good ol' bottled love

 

Cam that bitch! $200 will run you a nice cam + another $100 or so for springs, + $60 for gaskets and your looking at a 30 rwhp + increase.

 

Headers a high flow cat and a cat back should be first on the list depending on what kind of tune your cars in you should be able to hang with him. Those preludes run low 15's at best.

The only real restriction on the Lg4 enternally(besides the fact that its a 305) is the compression and cam. Thats the only difference between it and the L69 and the L69 has 190hp and runs low 15's. So have your heads milled and get a comp cams XE262 cam and a good intake. Then 3.42 or better gears and youll run high 14's or better. good Luck.

 

http://members.optushome.com.au/iroc...5/325hp305.htm

Dont know how accurate it is since we all know that magazines like to inflate their numbers a little bit. It's a good base to go by though. I'd start with bolt on mods though first like a full exhaust and open element. I was surprised at how much difference an open element made on my old LG4. All these other people telling you to get cams and all that crap is not what you should start with. Forget that. If you get cams, heads etc but dont have the extra exhaust to help get that new air out then it does you nothing. Get supporting mods first unless you want to waste your time. Besides...boltons are the easiest and usually cheapest to install anyway.

I thought the LG4's stock had 145hp and the HO had 180. Even with full exhaust and open element, it could be a close race. While I hate Hondas and most are not fast by any means, LG4s are about as bad as Hondas. But you gotta work with what you have and we all start somewhere. The LG4 was my first engine too. Now I got a nice reworked 355. Have fun and good luck!

 

As proof in that article and like I said, you cam that bitch, your gonna wake it up. Bolt ons can come afterwards, do the dirty work first.

 

but that is the first mod you would do??? Hell no! Yes a cam will wake up any engine, but adding a cam to an otherwise stock engine is f'n stupid if you ask me.

 

plus ...I dont think your gonna make the 30rwhp (~50 crank hp or more) with a cam on an otherwise stock LG4 engine. Why waste your money on that first? Plus if he doesnt know how to tear the engine apart himself, he is going to be paying someone money to do that too. Intake and exhaust is where you always start. Start a poll somewhere on the boards and I gauruntee you that 95 percent of the people will agree. Now if this was a 350tpi which has better exhaust manis and already has 2.5 inch exhaust stock, then yes a cam would be a nice upgrade before doing full intake and exhaust work. Have some common sense here when helping someone out. Dont steer the new guy the wrong way!

 

Stock exhaust and intake ducting should always be the first things to go no matter what car you drive. Even if it is a new ZO6.

 

I thought LG4's had more power than that. The Prelude has 145ft lbs and about 165 hp. They are decently light and have really good gearing. Stock ones run mid 15's. If the guy can drive, you'll lose (but you know that already..). First off, can you turn a wrench (by that I mean swap heads, cams)? if you can, go to the junkyard and find yourself a Vortec motor with a blown headgasket or somthing cheap like that. Motor shouldn't run you more than 300-450. Get an intake manifold to bolt to it, put the carb on, tune it, spank some **** and enjoy your new found power. The only other way you're gonna hit 200+ to the wheels is if you spray it, or go heads+cam+hedders. The Prelude is Honda's first sports car (I think it is..), I've driven a few and i'll tell you that they can be fast. Good luck

 

Its not steering him the wrong way, im not 95% of the population, I get down to the nitty gritty and I gaurantee you it will wake the engine up regardless of exhaust or intake. Will it be as good without the exhaust and intake mods? Hell no, but it sure as hell will go a longer way doing it first.

 

you can buy my camaro and that will whoop his ***. selling it cheap too. pm for details. otherwise id say get some steep gears and that will waste his *** for under 200.00 if u install it yourself. then after the race put ur old ones back in
jon

 

who! who! who! people! all you have to say is no you need alot of money or possibly a bigger engine!