A good friend of mine has a 95 Mustang GT 5-speed w/ 5.0, headers, no cat, h-pipe, and some off-brand intake. check sig. for my car. I've been jokin around with him 4 a while now askin when he would run me and finally got it setup.

i dont plan on runnin him for a few weeks so i can get the car a good tune-up(plugs, wires, distributor, filters, etc.) now, i know his car is faster than mine, and if we go heads up(roll or dig) there is no way i can win. so we are going to go 40-100 and he's going to spot me anywhere from 1-3 cars(i would prefer 3 cars, but he's afraid to lose). im just lookin to get some opinions on what you guys think would happen. mostly lookin to know if u think that me gettin 3 cars would even help. and if so, how close would it be. btw, right now he has stock 2.73 gears, but supposedly is going to be getting 3.73's by the time we line em up.

i will post the results, good or bad, when we finally run em.

 

I didn't know '95s still had the 5.0.

Anyways, ask him to give your boat anchor a 6 car lead over his boat anchor.

(Don't worry I see 'em do it all the time on PINKS )

 

My sisters 94 GT with the 5.0 ran a 13.7 by the previous owner. It had an Auto (which we all know sucked), off road H, dumps, pulleys, CAI and 3.73s. My guess is your friends car is a lower 14s, maaaybe a high 13s car on a good day!

 

and my dicks 10 feet long, there is no way in hell your running in the 13s with an minor bolt/geared sn95 5.0 unless your runnning 4.56 gears, especially in an auto, i dont even think a 5 speed would break out of the 14s. hell, the new s197s run high 13s and they have about 100 more rwhp and better gearing. hell, doing those same mods to a 5.0 notch 5 speed and you would still be about 14 flat

you will take him no problem, sn95 5.0s are dogs, ive taken one with a CAI and mufflers in my BONE STOCK V6 mustang

im not brand loyal, but, im a mustang fan at heart (flame away, but i still love my camaro to death) and i know that the SN95 5.0s are some of the slowest V8s out there

 

+1. I've ran an automatic sn95 in my Grand Am, which runs about a 15.2 at 90mph, and from a roll we were dead even, from a dig he could pull me out of the hole. I wouldn't be worried in a mildly built 350... shoot, I'd try him with my 305.

 

Dont think hes talking about his built 350 guys, by the thread title and 2 seconds of my time I noticed that he said 91 firebird, and his sig says his 91 firebird has a LO3.

 

Haha, excellent point. Lo3 vs. 95SN should be interesting...

 

Do any of you 100 post wonders actually have claims to back any of this up, other than hearsay? Our S197 went high 13s on a hot humid day, at a crappy track on its first pass with a passenger, our SN went high 13s (Id actually have to contact the previous owner for the timeslip), and my dads car with 3.55s, hoosiers, catback and pulleys went 13.3...

Come out to the track one day and I will show you how fast some Mustangs can go. We have an explorer headed stock cammed bolt on car that went 11s (sorry 7.48 in the 1/8th with a 1/4 mile set up) and now building a 393 street car that should be mid 10s all motor, 9s on a hit.

Not to mention my stock headed, stock cammed, bolt on car that runs mid 12s all day long,

Dont worry, I know what the cars at my house run, if you dont want to believe it, dont but dont pull up next to any of them at a stoplight (even my 18 year old sister in her HIGH 13s SN95 )

 

Well, I'm pretty sure I was in the car, driving, when I went dead even from a roll 4 times in a row with a 95, v8, automatic mustang. The driver claimed a 5.0, maybe it was the 4.6, I dunno. I know my 99 Grand Am, 3.4 liters -headers, exhaust, tune, will go 15.2 at 90mph all day in full street trim. So, I don't know what the average 95 5.0 stang runs, but the one I encountered was either a pig, or they just arn't that fast. I'd be willing to bet the car I was playing with would do 14.8 at maybe 90mph. Perhaps it was running crappy, or had other issues. This 100 post wonder's just sharing what he's experienced.

 

So because ONE Mustang out there that you ran couldnt do it, means none can, interesting way of going about how fast cars are. Personally I not only share what has happened to me, but I share what I have done with cars. Hell under your conditions, I ran an LS1 Vette that bested a 14.8, what does that mean???

Thats fine, Ill let my sister drive her high 13s car (might go 14s now, we took the CAI, and off road H off).

 

That 91 bird is toast.

 

One more thing, a stock SN95 runs high 14s low 15s while a stock LO3 car runs mid 16s.......hhmmmmmm........ And why is it guys with 305's never run at the track or go to the dyno? It makes you think......

 

Not my point, and I certainly conceeded it was likely slow, and possibly not in good tune. Of course not all cars run the same, I never said otherwise. Gripe on...

 

No gripe here, I dont care what some 14 or 15 second car runs, I dont own one! I just know what our SN95 ran, and use that in this instance!

 

Correct. The LO3 needs a full exhaust, cam and chip work to run on par.

 

the bird is far and away the better handling and braking not to mention better looking. I like my fox but I love third gens.

 

is that with a 3-car lead or heads up? cuz w/o what u mentioned i know i cant keep up.

 

I am under 100 posts and guess what. I may not know much about your precious pony cars. But take this for example. Your car hass blah blah. etc did you do the work yourself? Do you know alot about drag.If so maybe your work quality was better because my pops used to smoke 4.6's and 5.0s all the time with his built 305 in a scotsdale! So I know for a fact that some ponys just aint ponys anymore and need to be put down. Thanks for the compliment. POINT: Just because its there doesnt mean it got there the right way and that affects alot of other things.

 

[quote=25thmustang;3224582]Do any of you 100 post wonders actually have claims to back any of this up, other than hearsay? Our S197 went high 13s on a hot humid day, at a crappy track on its first pass with a passenger, our SN went high 13s (Id actually have to contact the previous owner for the timeslip), and my dads car with 3.55s, hoosiers, catback and pulleys went 13.3...

Come out to the track one day and I will show you how fast some Mustangs can go. We have an explorer headed stock cammed bolt on car that went 11s (sorry 7.48 in the 1/8th with a 1/4 mile set up) and now building a 393 street car that should be mid 10s all motor, 9s on a hit.

Not to mention my stock headed, stock cammed, bolt on car that runs mid 12s all day long,
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ok so let me guess, your running 4 banger front springs with some sticky rubber and some LCAs or other suspention and weight reductions? i have 100 posts here, but i also have 9500 posts on mustangforums.com. exploders use the GT40 heads, not the boat anchors E7TEs, i have dont even think i recall seeing a new edge PI motor breaking into the 13s with more torque, HP and better gearing, or maybe me and you have different opinions on what to call bolt ons also 99% of the 302s that are out there are either A.) modded out the ***, or B.) 150K beat to sh*t abused vehicles. the only 5.0 that i could see easily breaking into the 13s lightly modded is a notch back 5 speed, the SN95s are considered some of the worst preforming V8 mustangs of all time. like i have said before, my BONE STOCK V-6 auto mustang has taken down a 5.0 auto before, even though i did lock the convertor for launch and D2D shift the auto

 

First off Im a 21 year old who builds everything he races. We done send stuff out, we build it in our house, and make it work with testing and tuning!

Second off 100% untouched 130,000 mile stock suspension here. Weight reduction... AC was taken off because it wasnt working, other than that I have an aftermarket stereo, 01 Leather seats, stock hood, stock radiator, battery is out front and not a lightweight one... I know what weight reduction and suspension would do, and IF I had it, Id likely be in the low 12s!

I have E7s on my car, my dads 91 had GT40Ps (explorer heads) and ran 7.481 @ 90 in the 1/8th with me driving it (the motor is now in my brothers daily driver, should be mid to lower 12s car). Thats a stock bottem end, stock cam, unported explorer heads, unported cobra intake, and no boost or bottle! Cars getting a 393 we are building in house with some AFR 185s, a carb and some juice to run in the 9s!

Your turd auto 6 cyl could have easily beat one, hell I beat a Vette at the track one day every time we raced with my AOD equipped (at the time) bolt on 5.0. He ran high 14s and low 15s. I know about slow cars and fast cars and how some can be slow some can be fast, but to try and compare a race that might happen, and basing the outcome off slow versions, your lining yourself up to get beat. Would you go into a race with an LS1 figuring it will run high 14s, because the Vette I raced ran that, or would you expect him to run low 13s, because they CAN?

 

then what do you have done, because me and you must have a different opinion of what "bolt-ons" ons are.

turd auto 6 cyl? it may not be the fastest, but the 3.8 is a far superior design to the 5.0, its to bad ford never turbod it like GM did the GN or TTA, the way your making it sound, every LS1 will be running mid 12s because a few of them have broken into the high 12s, i have never seen a stock or mildly modded 5.0 of any kind in the 13s

 

Ive heard of this before... but no ones ever explained it. D2D shift is literally putting the car in drive then 2nd then drive again? Supposed to shift harder? (ford aod)

I know its off topic, but somebody explain this to me.

 

I know my buddies AOD equipped Crown Vic required you start in low, shift to 3 (Shifter was D-3-L) and then right back to L after it grabbed second gear. This allowed you to pull second gear longer, shifting to 3 again for third gear. I'm guessing thats the D2D shifting, I'm not sure what else they'd be talking about. I don't know about harder shifts, I don't remember a difference in shift quality with that AOD, but my Grand Am deliveres harder shifts when manual shifted even with the computer tuning done to the tranny, and I can stretch gears longer too.

 

Now thats just plain retarded. GM's 3.8 is one hell of a six but the ford 3.8 are you serious? Ok if this 3.8 is the better engine how come people arent keeping their 3.8s and not switching to a V8? Lets be reasonable a V6 camaro/mustang is like a rum and coke without the rum. People dont get V6 pony cars because the want the six over the 8 they do it because they cant have the v8.

How come I could beat modded V6 mustangs in my 305 TBI car and later my 2002 SVT focus? I must be missing something.

 

+1, the Ford 3.8 is a good motor, but its not the be all end all. For a long time, that 3.8 was a major problem motor, serious head gasket issues. And its never had the performance numbers of the GM equivalent 3.8 (and I'm talking normally aspirated, the supercharged GM 3.8s really murdered the Ford), year for year. I think its decent motor, but nothing extreme.

 

You right the GM's force inducted 3.8s mean business and the N/A 3.8 / GM's are quick also.

 

Yes a V6 Mustang is a turd, end of story, unless you have boost or motor work done to it, and you claimed it was a BONE STOCK auto...

The 5.0 is worlds better than that 3.8 (thats why they have a 4.0 now) and even the 2.3s could probably make as much if not more power than them with forced induction! You havent seen bolt ons go any kind of 13, then you obviousely dont attend race events with more than a few Mustangs. I happen to race at mostly events with all Mustangs, and between my family and 3 other friends, we have 25 Mustangs in a span of 4 side by side towns, and maybe 10 miles tops!

 

I beat a new GT stick car not one week ago with my 305. That wasnt the only one either. Sorry, had to say it . My 305 is not stock though

 

Are you serious? My hatch went 13.80's with nothing more than a converter (that was back when it was an auto), the welded 4 cyl rear, a K&N filter, and a nitto drag radial.

 

Its still an 8.8 though, just like an original V8 car

 

No its a 7.5, not an 8.8!

 

+1^

 

No.

 

Well back to the topic, I think with the exhaust and maybe throw yourself some headers on there (rear gear, like 3.73 would help too) you could run with him roll or dig



I took a '99 GT AUTO with my LO3 AUTO and the only things I had done were march underdrive pulleys and throttle body spacer! After '94 the Mustang became just as much of a boat anchor as a thirdgen!

 

 

bwahahahahhahahahahaha*caugh*hahahhahaha*peeeeee* hahahaha

94-95 (5.0) and 96-98 (NPI 4.6) were some of the weakest years yes, 99 they switched to PI heads and the were capable of low 14s, a fox body notchback 5 speed is capable of low to mid 14s, with an AOD auto vert that can be good for mid 15s, 99-04 were the fastest year GTs since they used the fox/fox4 platform,

Id like to say if you beat a V6 in an LO3 auto, but, my V-6 put about a half a car on me, or it was an NPI GT auto because i have taken those in my 02,

 

Yeah it was the one before they bumped the 4.6L up, my bad!

 

Wow this topic got out of control,it seems that people think because they beat one car that they have a faster car and thats not true.Every race has its own set of circumstances that can yeild a different result than what you might of had.I beat a 2005 gt with exhaust by 2 cars and my car weighs more and has less hp but more torque,now does that make my car faster then every mustang?no just faster than that driver, i spanked off the line and he never could get me.Just take every race one by one and hope you can beat the next guy that you talked so much smack too!!!!!!!!!

 

i had a 95 gt auto and they really slow cars

 

I just walked inside from driving a 94 GT with an auto... its not too bad!

 

I was right up with my buddies modded 97 gt with LO3 that had all of the mods in my sig except the roller rockers. I think I may have been faster than him with them on. Either I had an LO3 and he had mods including 3.73's so I wasnt really impressed. I think my LO3 even used to have a dead miss.

 

the answer is quite simple. people ditch the six for the eight because of the car. This is called an engine swap, its in every facet of car culture. I dont think many people give any v6 a chance if theres a v8, look at dave12s turbo v6 cammie!

 

I think you misunderstood me, I was saying that the if the V6 was so good why dont people mod them instead of upgrading a to a V8. Yes I am familiar with what an engine swap is too.

 

in the 4R70W tranny (AODE) it is programed into the ECU, so that about 200 rpms before redline in first gear, you pull the shifter back to the "2" position and it firms up the 1-2 shift and makes the tranny quick shifter, my bone stock auto v6 will chirp the tires going into second this way

1.) my LO3 had 194k on it

2.) http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar90134.htm
ford loosly copyed buicks 231 grand national motor for their 3.8, ford got rid of the block skirt that GM had, and loosly based the heads off the 2V cleavland aluminum heads, not cast iron like GMs, so in turn, they can be ported easier, and dont hold heat as good, in turn as well, the "great e7te heads found on the 5.0s and the 4.6 heads, look like boat anchors compared to the stock split port heads, and actually rival GT40 heads stock for stock.
http://3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181471 those are actually single port heads however, they dont flow as good (well stock)

ford used a stronger block and crank, people have run 800 HP and 31 psi over a stock ford "essex" block, dont really see to many buicks running that, and the great 5.0? well, you would of cracked the block in half about 350 HP ago. the 3.8 (4.2 in f150, longer stroke) has very thick mains and rods as well, even though some people wont believe it or dont want to belive it, the 3.8 IS superior to the 5.0 and 4.6

http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173930

here is justin of vmptunings car, its a junkyard 3.8 motor with literally 2 turbos slaped on running 17 psi.
http://v6power.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36444
http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?

why dont people build them? no one really wreanches on them, and ford and america are of a V8 heritage which is a minority throughout the world, people think that hey, its a V-6 its a girls car, or sadly, some people buy them and drive the **** out of the just because its a mustang, but there are actual V6 fans out there, the 3.8 is a damn good motor, its a shame it hasnt been accepted by hardcore car guys for the fact that its only a v6

 

Trust me, a 5.0 (grab a Dart, A4, or Boss block) is a MUCH better motor then the Ford 3.8. I have never seen or heard of 800 hp out of one, and even if they can do it, it is not practical. If you think the motor is somehow mysteriousely better, then cool. Ill stick with my stock 5.0, boat anchor E7s, and bolt ons in the 12s!

 

http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173930 ok around 750 HP, but, thats stock block, and crank, it costs about the same as a 5.0 to build up to that mark for the simple fact that you dont need a forged short block, no one has broken one, this is currently the fastest one out there, it is believed that the block/crank are capable of that majical 1000 mark but no one has done it yet because people think it is inferior due to it only being a v6, because they have never so much as turned a wreanch on a 3.8

noticed your in CT, do you go to epping or lebanon or somewhere else?

 

i take my 305 to the track (see times in sig)... well i havent been there with the car in 2 years, but im making a reappearance tonight to get some new times in the cool weather

and i know its not fast, but i just had to disprove the quote

 

All I know with the 3.8s is if they were easier to make more power, and be reliable people would be running them. Because of the HUGE Grand National craze and now import craze, people arent scared of small engines now. I would think if it were this easy it would be done all the time, or at least even once in a while. Ill stick with my 5.0!

I go to Epping, LVD, and Etown. My Street tire bests were from Epping actually, but Etown is faster!

 

alright, it took a little while but i finally got to race him the other day. just a refresher, my car: bone stock 91 firebird 305 TBI auto with full tune-up and spare tire and tools delete. his car: 95 mustang gt 5.0 5-speed with cold air, intake, headers, cat delete, and h-pipe. before we raced, he tried to install a computer chip he just got in the mail, but for w/e reason couldnt get it hooked up right, so he put the stock chip back in but when he did, it reset itself. not sure how bad that hurt performance, but he did say that the car felt really sluggish.

races were as follows:

1st race, i get 3 cars and the hit from a 40. started in 2nd gear and took the car all the way past 100 and he wasnt even close. prolly got no closer than 2-3 cars entire time.

2nd race, i get 2 cars and the hit from a 40. again took the car way past 100 and he was a little closer this time but not much.

3rd race, i get 0 cars from a 20-25. i drop it into 1st and shift at around 4 grand. we stay pretty even until mid 2nd gear then he starts to pull slowly. dont remember when i shut off but when i did, he had prolly 1.5 to 2 cars.

4th and last race, i get 0 cars from a 40. didnt beep or anything, so when he floors it, so do i. stay even until 3rd, then he pulls real slow. by the time i shut off, he only had 1 car on me.

overall, i was impressed with the way the ol 305 handled itself. kinda disappointed in the way his car was runnin, cuz now he has an excuse as to why his modded car would barely pull on a 170 hp 305. next time we race, he will have the computer chip in the car and i will have open element, fan switch, prolly a 160 degree thermostat, and pulleys. how do you think i will do then?

btw, the entire time my car was runnin 220 degrees or higher how bad do you think this hurt performance ?