87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
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87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
Idk if anyone has seen these around lately but where I live they're popping up everywhere.So finally tonight I raced one of these and completely killed it.We started to go from about 30mph and I had about three car lengths on him and I got to 120 and then we started to slow down because of the red light ahead.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
I dont think so. A 3.23 geared stock LG4 would have its work cut out with a regular Civic, let alone an SI. Are you sure he was racing?
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
I'm going to have to agree with that, from a stop, it might have been a good race up to 60mph, but from a roll, and up to that speed, the SI should have pulled a stock LG4 pretty good. I'd be willing to bet it would pull my cam'd/bolt on LG4 from a roll. I'll be happy to race him from a stop through, should get enough of a lead to hang on until 75 or so, my third gear get pretty strong after 75mph, so who knows, maybe up to 100, but I'm sure he'd pull eventually.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
I ran one of these newer SI's a few weeks ago from like a 60 mph roll and my 305 tpi just drove away from him.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
He was definitly trying hard I could hear his car screaming when he tached it out.Mine isnt completely stock it does have an intake, a carb and some msd ignition parts but thats not much and I beat the si without a problem.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
my 305 tpi spanks si's on the reg!
as for 84l69ta he doesnt know 2much. " freind dont let freinds drive t.p.i." thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, especially seeing 10 and 11 second tpi cars all over this board. good thing he's selling his thirdgen.
as for 84l69ta he doesnt know 2much. " freind dont let freinds drive t.p.i." thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard, especially seeing 10 and 11 second tpi cars all over this board. good thing he's selling his thirdgen.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
LOL! Yeah, ok. I dont know what im talking about. I only have a 10.40 street car on the motor. I really have no clue
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
A lighter 200 hp car vs a slug LG4....
Ya right.
Ya right.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
It's very plausible that you beat an 07 civic Si. I've known TONS of people that have had faster 4 cylinder, higher-revving cars and have no idea in hell how to shift fast, or when to shift at all.
Not everyone is into racing or modifying cars. There is a big difference between shifting into the next gear at 5500 rpm versus 7000 rpm in civic.
I don't see where he was bragging either, I think he's just stating what happened.
Not everyone is into racing or modifying cars. There is a big difference between shifting into the next gear at 5500 rpm versus 7000 rpm in civic.
I don't see where he was bragging either, I think he's just stating what happened.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
I hat to say this but that guy must REALLY not know how to drive.
My car is would say is similar in speed to your I would guess...
An SI would CRUSH my car from a roll..
They are built for "from a roll" racing...
I he wasn't letting the intake runners open it is very possible you won, but he must have been granny shifting.......
My car is would say is similar in speed to your I would guess...
An SI would CRUSH my car from a roll..
They are built for "from a roll" racing...
I he wasn't letting the intake runners open it is very possible you won, but he must have been granny shifting.......
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
are they using the stock TPI intake or did they switch over to a miniram,stealth ram or some other style of intake?
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Heres one that ran in the 9's
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/ind...opic=61219.500
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
LG4 305 :
hp 170 255 torque
weight : 3121
pw/weight ratio: .054
07' Civic Si
hp: 197 139 torque
weight: 2593
pw/weight ratio: .076
I would say the Civic should definately have you in the top end... but it all depends on how he shifts.. If it were from a stop, you would probably pull a head at the start, but he would again get you in the top end.. IMO
hp 170 255 torque
weight : 3121
pw/weight ratio: .054
07' Civic Si
hp: 197 139 torque
weight: 2593
pw/weight ratio: .076
I would say the Civic should definately have you in the top end... but it all depends on how he shifts.. If it were from a stop, you would probably pull a head at the start, but he would again get you in the top end.. IMO
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
I raced a newer si in my littl lg4 with exhaust form a dig. Only got up to 40 or so but i had him by a couple lengths by then, theres less speculation for you guys about the race form a dig g/l with the rolll one :P
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There are people running 10's and 11's with stock style tpi intakes, but theyr boosted or nitroused
Heres one that ran in the 9's
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/ind...opic=61219.500
Heres one that ran in the 9's
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/ind...opic=61219.500
how many are still running N/A and how many would be going faster if they moved away from the stock style TPI though?
come on 4000-4500 rpm rev limit kinda sucks
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wow, I dont get how you can say a civic would beat an lg4. I can wreck civics in any type of race all day long. All Ive done is flipped the air filter cover over so it lets more air in, and my car has a shift kit. Ive beaten alot of cars that you people say would destroy me.
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
There are people running 10's and 11's with stock style tpi intakes, but theyr boosted or nitroused
Heres one that ran in the 9's
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/ind...opic=61219.500
Heres one that ran in the 9's
http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/ind...opic=61219.500
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wow, I dont get how you can say a civic would beat an lg4. I can wreck civics in any type of race all day long. All Ive done is flipped the air filter cover over so it lets more air in, and my car has a shift kit. Ive beaten alot of cars that you people say would destroy me.
In this case, a bolt-on LG4 vs. the new SI model, my money is on the properly driven SI in the long race (1/4 mile or better), or from a roll. From a stop, the LG4 should keep it interesting at least through the 1/8th. (typical street race)
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why is ther a guy with a 1 liter mazda on here??????????????????
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Re: 87 305 T/A vs 07 civic si
Read up if you want to know anything. The internet is of your disposal people. Look at dragtimes.com, wikipedia.com, and car forums (which you could find through google) and you'll learn anything you wanted to know about any car.
A new civic Si Should Crush an LG4. Any other outcome and the Civic driver screwed up.
I'm basing that on two cars that are both generally stock.
A new civic Si Should Crush an LG4. Any other outcome and the Civic driver screwed up.
I'm basing that on two cars that are both generally stock.
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Yea, I'm interested in what amazing cars you've beat'n as well. I've got a decently built LG4, and I know what it is, and isn't, capable of. Civic can mean anything. Could be a SOHC non-vtec 110hp wonder, it could be a '92 CRX w/ a GSR motor + boost swap doing 300+hp to the wheels. So, I guess it really depends exactly what we're talking about.
In this case, a bolt-on LG4 vs. the new SI model, my money is on the properly driven SI in the long race (1/4 mile or better), or from a roll. From a stop, the LG4 should keep it interesting at least through the 1/8th. (typical street race)
In this case, a bolt-on LG4 vs. the new SI model, my money is on the properly driven SI in the long race (1/4 mile or better), or from a roll. From a stop, the LG4 should keep it interesting at least through the 1/8th. (typical street race)
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I have looked around for the last 6 years and more often then not they switch to some other style of intake kinda like the stealth ram or change to carb.
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a lot of people on this site say stuff that they think might be true about what WILL and WONT win but nothing is deffinate ever. I'll garuntee that when I tell you I killed a 4.6l mustang gt from a stop at a red light in my 89 2.8 bone stock rs with two passengers in my car til i hit that crappy third gear on the automatic 700r4 that wont switch at W.O.T. someone will tell me im a liar and that its impossible because he has almost 2 litres on me but it happened and yes we were racing because his car was screaming through the rpm range just like mine and when i red lined in third gear he blew past me.
I mean no upgrades at all not even k and n air filters(puralator) or good spark plugs(ac delco). Every part is the basic part except for my tires, i have yokohama avid trz and thats the only thing i went big on.
so how many people think im lieing because i have plenty of witnesses and i think my friend still has the video on his phone. if he does ill post a link.
I mean no upgrades at all not even k and n air filters(puralator) or good spark plugs(ac delco). Every part is the basic part except for my tires, i have yokohama avid trz and thats the only thing i went big on.
so how many people think im lieing because i have plenty of witnesses and i think my friend still has the video on his phone. if he does ill post a link.
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I hope you guys realize your all beating drivers not cars... Ive beaten LS1s when I had a mid 14 second car and even have timeslips to prove it... He had a much faster car, couldnt beat me though.
Be happy you won this race, but remember the other guy has a faster car! Imagine that guy in your car, he would lose to school buses and dump trucks!
Be happy you won this race, but remember the other guy has a faster car! Imagine that guy in your car, he would lose to school buses and dump trucks!
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I like this part, I envisioned a Z06 and a yellow cheese box all out from a dig... the bus had a nose till it had to stop and let out a kid.
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boring it out isn't worth that much power.
and to answer your question I'm here cause I like cars be it thirdgen or otherwise. so would you mind me asking what the name of this site "thirdgen.org" has to do with me owning a mazda?
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check your pms
and who is 50 cent?
kragen is an autoparts store. also known by shucks and a few others depending on where you live.
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80smetalfan Best 1/4 time that car went was 15.6@88mph with addition edelbrock tes headers, y-pipe, messed up 3.23 posi, massive vacuum leak.
when i raced my civic, i was on non posi 3.08 gears, stock headers, y-pipe, high flow cats, flowmaster, and the 1/4 at that time was around 16@84mph.
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Wow and to think that I crushed this new si like he was sitting still in my lb9. I have an auto, so all I had to do is floor it. He was screaming and his front end was bobbing from his shifts and I just told him goodbye.
Not to mention when I had the LO3 on the road, I race a like 02-04 si that had a bit of work done to it from the word around town. We raced from a stop for a little less than a 1/4 mile and I spun pretty bad with my 5-speed. I still managed to get him by a few car lengths. So from a roll or a stop, what is so special about these civics?
Not to mention when I had the LO3 on the road, I race a like 02-04 si that had a bit of work done to it from the word around town. We raced from a stop for a little less than a 1/4 mile and I spun pretty bad with my 5-speed. I still managed to get him by a few car lengths. So from a roll or a stop, what is so special about these civics?
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Wow and to think that I crushed this new si like he was sitting still in my lb9. I have an auto, so all I had to do is floor it. He was screaming and his front end was bobbing from his shifts and I just told him goodbye.
Not to mention when I had the LO3 on the road, I race a like 02-04 si that had a bit of work done to it from the word around town. We raced from a stop for a little less than a 1/4 mile and I spun pretty bad with my 5-speed. I still managed to get him by a few car lengths. So from a roll or a stop, what is so special about these civics?
Not to mention when I had the LO3 on the road, I race a like 02-04 si that had a bit of work done to it from the word around town. We raced from a stop for a little less than a 1/4 mile and I spun pretty bad with my 5-speed. I still managed to get him by a few car lengths. So from a roll or a stop, what is so special about these civics?
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80smetalfan Best 1/4 time that car went was 15.6@88mph with addition edelbrock tes headers, y-pipe, messed up 3.23 posi, massive vacuum leak.
when i raced my civic, i was on non posi 3.08 gears, stock headers, y-pipe, high flow cats, flowmaster, and the 1/4 at that time was around 16@84mph.
when i raced my civic, i was on non posi 3.08 gears, stock headers, y-pipe, high flow cats, flowmaster, and the 1/4 at that time was around 16@84mph.
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