Some kid kept talking BS about his parents' 97 Maxima and how it could "smoke my car". I looked up specs and it said 0-60 was 9 seconds and 190 hp, is that true? What would the outcome be?

 

If your car is a V6 or TBI the Maxima will kick your a$$.

 

i have driven a 5 speed maxima, some special edition with white face guages and stuff, it didnt seem that fast jack, you have it in the torque department by far. i dont know if the one i drove was running well though, it seemed pretty fast upper end though, i will give it that. is your car in good mechanical order?

 

rezn8r its a 305 tbi auto vs the maxima v6 auto

 

uh some maximas have like 230hp and like 250 lbs ft of torque. if your a tbi i say gg he would SMOKE you.

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1990 G92 5spd LB9 - 3.42 80,000 miles

Accel Ignition/Wires (8.8mm), Advanced Timing, TB Bypass, Ported and Gasket Matched Plenum, Synthetic Motor Oil, 160 Thermo, TPIS Airfoil, K&N Air Filters, Centerforce I Pressure Plate and Clutch, Edelbrock TES Headers, Dual Cats, Edelbrock RPM Series Catback, Homemade Ram Air, Bosch +4 Platinum Plugs

14.4 @ 94mph w/2.0622 60ft (w/o headers and catback)

14.426 @ 96.19mph w/2.167 60ft(w/headers and catback)

Also newly modded w/o track times:

Holley AFPR, Underdrive Pulleys, KYB Shocks and Struts, Crane Ignition

 

The year Max you're talking about is the 190 hp VQ v-6. They don't start getting good power until about 4000 rpm, but keep in mind once it gets above 4000 it'll stay above 4000. If you do decide to race, make it a short one. You can probably get a quick lead off the line, but he'd definately smoke you by the end of a 1/4 mile.

Of course if we're talking about yours against his, wouldn't he have to beat you in his supercharged Reeboks? After all that's his PARENTS car right?

 

Parents car yes.

 

The 5spd Maximas are capable of around a mid 15 in the 1/4. You're probably not... But this guy probably can't drive the car all that well, likely spin off the line (FWD). The autos are a bit slower too I beleive though. I'd say you have a shot but it if came down to an equal driver situation the Maxima would probably win.

Time to upgrade to a faster thirdgen (or a fourth gen if you're so inclined) or do some work to your 305, you just can't keep going around losing to friggin four door family cars...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited August 09, 2001).]

 

I'll tell you what though, if I had to get a 4-door family car it would definately be a 5-sp Maxima. They can easily make over 300hp at the wheels with a few mods. I'm not into FWD or imports, but fast is fast.

 

With a TBI i know that you stand NO chance against a 5spd Maxima. It will take you by the time it reaches about 20 mph and then you won't stand a chance after that because that "mad torque" will be useless. How can a car that weighs about 500lbs more and with an auto tranny take a car with same power and and with a 5spd?

 

 

Sorry man, Maximas are all FWD. I think most years of them do have a independent rear suspension though. Not that that matters for drag racing though.

Coincidentally the 190 hp models and the 230hp models both run right around the same times. The newer 230 hp model is heavier enough to offset the increased power over the older model.

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

[This message has been edited by Ray87Z (edited August 13, 2001).]

 

I beat one of those that claimed 222hp in my parents 93 taurus sho which is 220hp, and the kids parents had put him through a racing school, soo I would say go for it if nothing else, it is his parents car, how many kids have parents that own vettes or other awesome cars. Good luck

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Derek Johsnon
90 red rs 3.1 Mods--hypertech thermomaster chip, 160 degree thermostat, and K&N filter
Soon coming: 1.52 rocker arms, 3.73 , 2400rpm stall conv. compucam 2030, and msd 6a. all by christmas!!!
I Live my life a quarter mile at a time(the fast in the furious), only it takes me like 18 seconds to do it in this v6!!!

 

The new maximas actually claim 7.0 0-60, but the 97 was a little less powerfull, without perfect shifting you should do ok... but it's probably a close race either way... the newer ones probably win out... I just raced a Subaru WRX Wagon which claims 234 Hp and a little less torque... I caught him in third gear and it was all over... All I got is a measly LG4 minus cat and better intake/carb combo... he must not have been shifting right I suppose...

 

ok wtf did my post get deleted.. oh well... I KNOW the 80's and right up to late the MAXIMAS are IRS RWD. They used to have the 3.0 nissan NA 300z motor. And yet again they will whoop your 160 HP wonder OEJ.

Get over it man why do keep racing import V6's anyway??? Is your Big Bad V8 just that pathetic???. I think so. And by the way I am selling my T top 91 TBI POS and buying a honda just for your info. But I am also opening up a speed shop for imports and trust me it will beat a 350 after I am done with it and not to mention handle alot better.

 

What are you smokin' Camaro_hunter????

The Maximas from '89-94 ran a 3.0 V-6.
in '92 the DOHC 3.0 V-6 was an option.
the DOHC version was the same base engine as the 300Z, but it was still FWD!!!!!

 

By the way, if you're so big on imports why are you still here?

 

okay, rather than laugh at former-camaro hunter d, I'll- GAH I cant stand it HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thats probably the funniest thing I've heard all day. hahahahahahahahah riceboy

 

great, when you get the import performance shop opened up in southern Illinois (can you say deliverance) I'll have plenty of imports for my measly V8 to pick on down here. If you're buying a Honda, I would be happy to set up some cones in a parking lot so I can be schooled in the ways of handling (unless you're getting a S2000 )I hear that bright caliper paint really turns imports into handling machines. I hope you have some cash because no one is going to back such a shop down here, maybe 4x4's. Maybe stickers are more of a profit maker than I realize though.

 

Stickers don't add HP silly! They make you more aerodynamic. And the body kits- the more holes you put in the car the faster it goes. Speed Holes, ala Homer Simpson.

 

then why is it that I have done tune ups on a 93/4 maxi and the engine went front to back???

And as far as the speed shop, this is a college town. I can make mad money catering to them. PERIOD. And better yet I get aprox 900 new customers every year. That come for freshman year. And I must say I see ALOT more imports around then americans here(car wise) And for a select few that come in I will order american performance parts.(considering that I will have Apec?) as a parts supplier which by the way summit gets there parts from. So I could get anything I want or what a customer wants. And did I mention that there are 2-3 hondas around that will hand you your asses with ease?.

So you all can say whatever you want about the speed shop idea thats coming along fine, I will be making more then the 7-8 bucks an hour that your doin. After a small survey I did on SIUC I figure on around 80-100 customers a month which equates easily to over 9k a month in sales. Thats just going on 80-90 bucks a sale. So I can work the hours I want(10am-6/7pm) and closed sunday's and do what I like doing(working on cars) and make a **** load of money.

 

Speed holes! Homer! That's great!!

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1992 RS 3.1L Bone Stock

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

"C-unter" - It's not Apec,, the company you're refering to is Summit's wholesale division. Summit owns them,, not the other way around. The profit margin sucks and many items are the same price,, or within a few percent of the Summit Catalog - they did have good prices on the misc. "bag-o-stickers" though,, so maybe there is a little hope for you.

[This message has been edited by BadSS (edited August 19, 2001).]

 

"So you all can say whatever you want about the speed shop idea thats coming along fine, I will be making more then the 7-8 bucks an hour that your doin."

I'm an attorney and my wife is a doctor, between my wife and I, we MAY make as much money as you someday if we are lucky. I so know imports that are faster than me, heck, my wife and I both drive imports for daily drivers (toyota)so I'm not against them. Whiles I do know some imports down here will beat me, I know of MANY more "domestics" faster than me. I also know a few "domestics" in the area running 10's in the 1/4, I've NEVER seen a streeable import down here close to that. Maybe they could come to your shop and order parts and break into the 9's?

Further, I really cannot see the import drivers that are smart enough to run fast messing with someone that is going to put slicks on the rear of a FWD car

If you do open a shop, I wish you well and hope all goes as planned. I do think you are oversimplifying your demographic information however. Also, based on my academic background and invovlement down here, I'd be real interested on how you were able to "do a small survey at SIUC," especially one that would let you infere 100 customers a month. This is a large Carnegie institution, you may have gathered information from the Autozone parking lot in Carbondale, maybe one of the dorms, but I highly doubt a survey large enough to allow accurate market projections as you stated is going to be allowed at SIUC without "research" approval procedures . . .

 

There are 10 sec streetable hondas down here. I know there is one for sure here in houston and some more in austin and dallas. So there are some.

 

my point exactly. The imports are not "fad" they are here to stay. Get over it people V8's are not *** anymore. Hell I still remember the pure Formula F-1 series racers had over 1k(yes 1,000) Hp outta 1.5L engines. And these engines came back race after race and ran 10k RPMS for over 2 hours.
And just think after I get this shop going I can put togeather a "pidly 4 banger" and be able to whip y'all at the track, at the pumps, and on the road in the corners. Funny huh????. Granted I may not have the engine to "shake the windows" with its eratic gas wasting idle lope but it'll beat ya anyway.

 

so you can make a honda fast, thats nice, but you better be saving up alot of money from that business your starting cuz it sure as hell takes money to make a Civic or Accord EX beat a stock Camaro SS in a straight line and in the curves. Now you say your starting an import speed shop. Youll probably make money cuz i know lots of kids who wanna make their "pidly 4 cyls" faster, but if your selling body kits and stickers what does that have to do with speed? I guess what im trying to say is you can mod your 4 banger all you want but theres still gonna be somebody modding their domestic V8. If i were you Id give the v8s some respect.

 

I realize there are plenty of 10 sec. streetable imports out there, my point is that this is Southern Illinois. Anyone remember the movie the US Marshalls with Tommy Lee Jones ? Remember the part where they were going into the swamp with all the locals and he says, "who is the most *******, %*^&, *%&$#, hillbilly out here ?" That is a pretty accurate representation. Or even closer to camaro d hunters neck of the woods, the cinematic wonder "Poor White Trash." He will have a real hard time down here is my point.

Here's a thought, maybe the 2003 viper will come with a 1.5 liter option, you never know ???? Nothing like dropping the clutch at 8k to have enough torque to spin the tires.

I could easily throw 40k into my old formula and outrun XX car and outhandle XXX car, it can be done with most any platform with enough $$$. It's a matter of physics that a car that is able to run an e.t. under 10 sec. is not going to handle well in race trim on the twisties, it would need suspension changes for twisties, so such could be done with any car, it is really not dependent on whether it is a honda or a camaro, it is back to money. It just strikes me as odd that anyone thinking of seriously getting into a legitimate "performance" business would be so biased and closed minded.

[This message has been edited by JJ (edited August 21, 2001).]

 

I gotta get in on this action. 10 second street Honda HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Give me a break. Just because you drive a race car on the street doesn't make it streetable. All the fast import that you speak so passionately about all have tube frames. If they don't they're running 40 lbs of boost on Nitrous and the engine only gets 5 passes and dies. I'd like to see someone call me liar on this one. If they do I want to see their proof with my own eyes. I've seen enough cars run to know what's what. Hell I've been around racing my whole life. My experience has been this, ask anyone how fast their rod is and they'll embelish by at least a second and maybe more if they have an iferiority complex. I have never seen a street import break into the 13's much less the 10's Fast and Furious Boy. 10 second V8's don't even drive on the street, and if they do you have to spend the next day in traction recovering.

I don't doubt that selling import parts will make a lot of money, but I think it's the same thing as selling your soul to the devil.

 

well import engines are crap huh??? Is that why there are numerous imports running 28-32 PSI on STOCK BOTTOM ENDS FOR OVER 2 YEARS?? A more recent issue of Super Street comes to mind with there 400 HP club additions. the Lowest one is 392HP and 362Lbs trq. You think you can take that? I doubt it. I am opning this store up close to SIUC(great market there it seems) Where most the kids there drive imports bauce they are far more economical and last alot longer then american cars. Whens the last time you say a american car go 457,873 miles with out a rebuild? I have seen many many imports do this and more.

And just to say another thing the maxi's were RWD through 94. and they had th DOHC 3.0 motor. And that engine will still whoop OEJ POS LG4, just like my 3.1 will whip it. I have beaten more then 4 TBI pos' engines with this 3.1 with 113k on the clock.
And you'd be surprised to see just what the import engines are capable of with just a stock engine and a 15PSI 2500 turbo kit. Whick is about what a cheap S/C kit costs.
Lets see a 99 mitsu eclipse thats pushes 25PSI outta a 10year old head(first gen eclipse), and an all stock engine save the pistons that does 436HP 382Lbs, not bad for a daily driver and street racer with the full interior and it even a convertable!.

You seriously need to look at the import mags so you actually KNOW what you are talking about. And To sell import parts to make my money is not selling my sole to the devil as you put it its makeing money, and alot of it. Money is money. And frankly the domestic sceen is nothing compared to the import sceen. Face facts people its getting to the point where you have to buy a truck to get an 8. The V8 is on the way out in the cars. You do not have to be einstine to figure that one out. People are wanting reliability and more economy these days not lopy gas guzzling lead weights to drive.

And to the ones that say I am more into the import sceen then the domestic sceen, hell yeah I'm into the imports, there funner, look alot better and can get the same performance.

 

"will beat a 350 after I am done with it"

Put the same amount of $$ Into any 350 and it would be faster than putting the same amount of $$ Into uncle ben.

Not even that, I like cars that sound tough, im not down with the fart tips. TOO Many imports think that if they have a fart tip they can kill anyone. I just ate a Integra with cold air intake and a fart tip who thought he was all bad. No contest, he ate my torque off the line

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1988 Jet Black IROC
5.7L W/ 64000 miles
Flowmaster Exhaust
Fully Loaded
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My IROC

 

When's the last time I saw a domestic run to high mileage?

Oh, just a few days ago, I saw a old chevy pickup with a straight six. It had 597,000 miles. On no rebuild, all original. It's whole life was hard strenuous labor, and it's still ticking fine. The body isn't in the best shape though.

I am not biased towards any car.

I LOVE FAST CARS.

I could care less if it had a fart-tip or a rediculous 4 inch tailpipe out of a Camaro. All I care about is being thrown back into the seat, and *****-to-the-wall acceleration. That's why I got into cars, because I wanted to go fast. Then I learned everything I know today. And I love all automobiles. I think not liking a Mustang is childish, or likewise for the Mustang owners. Or Imports for that matter.

Oh for your info, OEJ has a L03.


-ws6formula-

 

Don't believe everything you read out of those import mags my friend. You should try talking to some people who actually run those cars with those numbers. They'll tell you a completely different story. I'm not saying that imports are a piece of crap. I'm just saying that race cars, in general, no matter how many cylinders they have, are a PITA to drive on the street. Any engine that doubles, triples, or quadrouples it's designed HP will not last long and is very particular about its maintenence. We used to race a 13,000 RPM 2.0 NA "stock" 4 banger that absolutely ate up main bearings because 4 cylinders and 90* V6's are not naturally balanced engines. Sure stock v8's are becoming scarce and hard to work on, but aftermarket is still casting SBC v8 blocks and isn't slowing down. Also a car only looks as good as the owner wants it to. If you want to sell overpriced car parts that's your business.

 

"And just to say another thing the maxi's were RWD through 94."


1. No they weren't.
2. You don't have a clue.

I owned a '92 3.0 DOHC Maxima.

It was a killer car except that I had to change both CV joints (in the front, as in FWD), get the tranny rebuilt twice, and change both intake cam sprockets during the 6 mos I owned it.

[This message has been edited by REZN8R (edited August 23, 2001).]

 

BAN CAMARO_HUNTER_D FOR TALKING CRAP ABOUT THIRDGEN!
He's basically a ***** with a camaro, so why is he still allowed here?
2/3 of civics can "hand me my *** ?"
Tell that to the civics we all crushed.
Maybe in YOUR car, hmmmm.
I cant believe I made fun of you so bad on this board you turned rice.
You should learn to be intelligent next time.
They're gonna harass you on their rice boards and make you buy a van next, right?

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What the hell is this american cars can't last more than 457,873? I have a lot of import friends and about two thirds of them have replaced their engine after like 60,000 miles. Little civic engines weren't designed to be stressed the way import guys drive them(Other than the VTEC). All my friends I have talked to with american muscle have NEVER replaced their engine, at least not in the first 100,000 miles. And they run the crap out of those things! I have nothing against imports or anything (Heck, my next car might be a prelude) but in order to get that good of mileage, it would have to have been driven by a grandma.

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1992 RS 3.1L Bone Stock

"Yeah, it's a V6 SO WHAT!?"

 

OEJ whens the last time you actually posted something helpful???? I do it all the time. You asked who would win between you and this maxi, well the maxi would walk all over you. I am done tring to prove anything to you or anyone else. I am actually secure in my manhood can you say the same? I do not need to own a "big bad V8" to know I have a pair of *****.

 

Hey oej!! I say instead of racing that maxima maybe you should race Camaro_hunter!!

 

all i gotta say is whats wrong with four inch tips on a camaro? =) they look nice on my car. oh yeah, i thought this thread was about a nissan against a firebird? Personally i love any car that is fast, but i gotta say even though my lg4 isnt fast, it still sounds nice, looks good and somehow ive whooped a few imports and a 5.0 gt.

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1987 LG4 Camaro z28

Performance
KN airfilter, flowmaster 80 series and catco high flow cat, 180* thermostat

System
Panasonic CQ-DF200U deck, fosgate speakers (hpc1369, frc2246)

 

Oh well, in my opinion 4 inch exhaust tips are waay too big. But if they work for you, well, that's great. I don't like people having a car look like what I want, so right on man.

-ws6formula-

 

merlin big block $8000
race built drivetrain $4000
fuel and ignition and exhaust upgades $2000
being faster than any import ever made PRICELESS

Bottom line is that dollar for dollar, domestics will ALWAYS be faster than imports.
Hot Rod Magazine put a POS el camino in the 12's for less than $2000!!
Opening up an import performance store sounds like a good idea. There are tons of stupid ricers dumping money into thier cars.
Just realize that the whole import performance scene is just a marketing scam.



[This message has been edited by BigL350 (edited August 24, 2001).]

 

ok check this out.The engines are made for different reasons.
Import I4s make their power at the top of the power band because they are *intended* for MPG. With the exception the VTEC motors which are great for performance. And by making the power above say 4000rpms,daily driving at 55-65mph usually doesn't dip into the power range. So, it's like shifting a V8 at 2200rpms all the time.
Our V8's are *intended* for high strain situations such as Towing,off roading, or performance.
When you get the MPG, you sacrifice Torque ie. goin up a hill in 5th gear with the A/C on and the windows down.
When you get the Torque and HP, you sacrifice $$$ in the long run by spending money every 200 miles or so on Petroleum. :-)
It's just all in what you want. But when you look at the $$$/hp&torque you will make the decision i made, V8s are easier to modify. If you wannt look at the $$$/gas issue, then you will make the choice you made, and go with the I4 imports.
One quick story and I'll end this post cause it's a really long post I know.
I work at a night club. One night this frequent customer comes in talking about everything he'd done to his car. And that he'd spend like 10,000 on after market plus the price of his car. Acura Integra. He was telling us all how bad it was, and how it was so FAST (top speed). Well I asked him the numbers and he said he had nearly 300hp. Then i asked torque. He told me he *almost had 300 ft/lbs!* I said ok, now think if you would spend 10,000 dollars on a 350. He just looked at me and the guys standin in the hall started laughing. I didn't mean to embarrass him, but obviously i did. He said yeah but i can do 110 mph easy. I said yeah, i know alot of cars that can do 110mph, it's just how QUICK they get there. SOrry for the long post, just my view on the Import/Domestic feud. Later

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1989 307 RS, soon to be 350.
1995 Red T-Top Camaro, 3.73 gear, F.I.P.K. K&N,Flomaster Cat-Back, Gutted Cat...Killer Stereo (Cerwin Vega and Sony Xplode)

 

You didn't. Maximas went to FWD in '85. Maximas were originaly know as Datsun 510's.. not to be trifled with in their class in autox. Maybe do some research before you look like a fool to those that know better next time. If your total education is built around the import mags, as you say "You seriously need to look at the import mags so you actually KNOW what you are talking about.", maybe you really need a bit of practical experience with the things before you jump in the deep end. You really sound like you need to learn a bit more than what is written in a magazine. I like imports as well as domestics. I also know a fair bit about imports as I was SERIOUSLY into Datsuns (you would know them as Nissans) for the last 15 or so years. If you start talking about people wanting economical cars, I remember the gas crisis of the '70's. Something tells me you don't.
And then you start talking about F1 engines... "Hell I still remember the pure Formula F-1 series racers had over 1k(yes 1,000) Hp outta 1.5L engines. And these engines came back race after race and ran 10k RPMS for over 2 hours.".. hehe, you remember that huh? Well if you did you would probably remember that it was was a v6 turbo that ran at 12,500 rpm and not a 4-cyl, and if you have around $150k (a very conservative estimate), along with the funds to rebuild the beast every other day (no, they did NOT run race after race without being torn down) you too could have a totally undrivable on the street f1 motor. These motors have basically NO resemblance to any motor you can buy in real life.. no matter what the stickers you put on your car say. As a last note, I do hope you realize that any 4-banger you build in to a "v-8 killer" is no longer going to be it's fuel sipping, light at the pumps, former self. Nor is that motor going to be anywhere near as long lived or dependable as it's stock counterpart, or for that matter, nowhere near as durable as it's v-8 nemesis, since the v-8 was built to stand up to the stresses it puts out under normal circumstances, and the i-4 will be seriously pushing it's performance envelope to get above standard v-8 output(note that several, if not all of your points for having that motor just went down in flames).

P.S. You put $3k in your honda/nissan/mitsu/etc... I'll put $3k in my Z28. Guess who's gonna win?

 

well first off no honda was using 1.5 L 4 and making that power. Do I realize that a 8 CAN make more power? Yes duh. Can 4's handle the high loads I want to build it up too? yes it can. Its been done many a time. And to say that the 4 will get poor mialge all the time is wrong as well, thats the great thing about boost controlers. You have the boost control at your finger tips. So not racing(or beating some silly 8 banger) you have the boost down to 7-8 PSI and be getting 30 something MPG. And do I actually know what I am talking about? Yes I do actually. I have done some good research into turbos and know what they are happy with, and how to keep them happy.
The internal integrity and durability of an engine is determined by the parts used to make the engine. You can make an engine that can survive just about anything, but you have to know what to get and how to make it work right. The power numbers I have posted before that you say I know nothing about are backed by a dyno sheet printed in the magazine article(thats the only way I trust whats being said about the motor).
Now before you try to start bashing and flaming yet again try to get your info right. As I said before I am done with this crap of "proving what I know".

Oh and P.S. you can put that 3k in your motor that I put in mine but that still does not mean you'll beat me. There are many a pure motor 4's running in the 12's. With interior and street driven. You can have all the power in the world but that still does not mean anything. I can have a 450HP 1800-2000 pound car and STILL beat a 650 HP 2900 pound car.

 

hey camaro hunter what kind of car do you drive? i see that you defend a lot of imports wich is usally true what you say about them, but with you name and every thing i am wondering what kind of car do you have?

 

Why do you insist on being shown that you are wrong rather than doing a bit of research on your own? Honda was making around 1000 hp using the RA166E, which is a 1.5 liter V6. That is down from the V12's they were using in the '60's. Then they moved to V10's, and back to V12's. A couple links that might help you are http://www.crown-honda.co.uk/sports/history.htm and http://www.honda-racing.co.uk/honda_...one_hist83.asp

Maybe you could show me where I missed all the talk about the 4cyls in there.

As have I done research (on the care and feeding of turbos as they relate to Buick Grand Nationals). Most things you say sound like they came straight from the pages of Turbo magazine (ie: no hands on experience).

And you think this is different from the building of any other motor in what way?

Hint from real life, don't beleive everything you read. Especially when the source has paid advertisers.

I never told you to prove what you know. I told you you were wrong.

They may be street driven, but I can assure you they are not daily drivers unless somebody is just masochistic enough to do that. Can you say "No Fun."? I knew you could. I can tell you from experience that you won't get a 2k lb car with 450hp coming out of a 4-banger for any less than probably twice the cost of a 2.9k lb car with 650 hp v8, and even if you did, and the lighter car did win, it wouldn't be by much as the pwr/wt ratio's of those only differ by a couple hundreths. The only reason to do so is to say you did it the hard way, and not just to go fast and have fun.

Oh yeah, trust me, all things being equal (engine condition, original state of tune) 3k will make a heck of a lot more diff in a V8 than an I4, and I DO know how to handle that power so it wouldn't be driver error that you would be counting on.

 

Boost controllers aren't just magical devices that make your car go from fast to streetable. If you want to run enough boost to beat a modified V-8 then you have to have fairly low compression to prevent detination on your street-driven 92 octane powered 4-banger. Low compression and low boost result in low efficiency which also means less gas mileage. Not only that but boost controllers aren't going to change the flow rating on your fuel injectors. No matter what your computer tries to compensate for, your injectors can't magically change size.

 

Just stop arguing with this kid. He has no idea what the hell he's talking about.

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

 

Amen!


($3,000 in mods for my car? Hmmmm? can you say 11s?! -Hey... Can somebody lend me $3,000 that my wife won't know about? ...bring it on ricers!)

Total cash spent on mods so far ...$300!


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89 IROC-Z 5.7L 2.77 GEARS
130,000 MILES
ALL FREE MODS
K&Ns FILTERS
FLOWMASTER MUFFLER
PERFORMANCE RESOURCE CHIP
AFPR & PORTED PLENUM
Best 1/4 E.T. 14.09 @ 97.2 MPH
Best 1/8 E.T. 9.09 @ 77.4 MPH
Best 60ft. 2.03

[This message has been edited by whiteroc (edited August 31, 2001).]

 

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Oh and P.S. you can put that 3k in your motor that I put in mine but that still does not mean you'll beat me. There are many a pure motor 4's running in the 12's. With interior and street driven. You can have all the power in the world but that still does not mean anything. I can have a 450HP 1800-2000 pound car and STILL beat a 650 HP 2900 pound car.

Have you ever tried to get a FWD car to hook up with 450hp? Rearward weight transfer on launch is pulling up on the front of your car putting a FWD car at a significant disadvantage. You can't believe everything you read in TURBO magazine. The Bronx has one of the biggest import racing scenes in the country, but in the three years I've been going, GN's, Mustangs, F-bodies, and anything with a healthy V-8, consistently beat on any import there. Guess who's blowing motors and breaking axles? People don't hate imports because they're imports. It's because every Ahole is putting a Type-R sticker on their civic and thinks it's the fastest thing on earth. I think everyone can identify with early import enthusiasts who said,"let me put a turbo in my car and maybe I'll suprise a few camaro owners," but innovation and originality have definitly been lost by the import scene.

[This message has been edited by BigL350 (edited September 01, 2001).]