Hg

Alright guys, I asked this before once and I was enlightened. I've looked around at ALOT of sites and they all pretty much put my '87 305TPI Z28 and this guy's '94 Talon TSI AWD Turbo at pretty much the same ET's, around low 15's. I have this setup:

'87 305 TPI (LB9) Z28
2.73 posi 10 bolt
700R4
Flowmaster muffler
K&N Filters
TPI Airfoil

his:
'94 Talon TSI Turbo AWD
Auto
kinda custom riged intake
massive oil leak, I could smell it bad inside his car, and a friend who followed us said he could see smoke come out of his front wheel wells when we stopped.

Pretty much bone stock, but the rear end is kinda old, when the fluid was changed I think they found some teeth So I don't think I should be just flooring it which would slow down my take off without being able(wanting really) to give wide open throttle. I got to take a lil ride in his car 2 days ago, and it's pretty d@mn quick. Also, he knows how to take off too. He puts it in neutral(or park, didn't pay attention) and revs it up to about 2 or 3K where the turbo starts to spool and drops it into gear. It was enough to throw be back in the seat since I was ready for it, and we got up to about 70 in a residential area.

If it helps(which i think it should), my car is in pretty good shape in my opinion, timing has been reset to stock, and full tune up. Did distributer cap, rotor, spark plugs, plug wires, wiring harness(killed 2 coils, dealer put in new harness), new coil(stock replacement, not a high performance one), oil, oil filter, fuel filter, had to have the tank cleaned out, it was starving the engine(noticed a HUGE difference there), blah blah. If there is smoke coming from the exhaust, it's a LITTLE bit that lasts only a minute or so in the morning, goes away REAL fast.

So all in all, which do you think would win? His AWD would be killer on take off, but I also have the massive torque. He has an oil leak/burn and I don't, but I also have the rear end I don't wanna chance killing and he doesn't have that problem. We're both auto too. Is it just too close to call?

JR4444

You should win because he has an automatic, wich means he can't launch near as hard as with a 5-speed. The #1 reason why the TSI is fast is because of a good launch. Are you sure it's an AWD Auto??? I thought they only put 5-speeds in AWD Talons'.

87irocz350

well, i say hes you because you have a 305 first of all. And second you have some pretty crappy gears.
Youll see his oil smoke and his tail lights.

Ray87Z

He's gonna kill his tranny in a hurry doing those nuetral drops. Jeez, very bad.

Should be an interesting race, I wouldn't be suprised if he takes you down by a car or two though.

Port your Plenum (knock down the EGR walls) and shim your fuel pressure regulator with a quarter for a few extra hp.

85transamtpi

My '85 with 3.27's would run pretty much even with those cars...I cant imagine you'd run any faster with 2.73's and no way of punching it off the line (where tpi makes ALL its power). Id say be careful. I never raced an auto car, but you never know with turbo cars. You can up the boost very easily and smoke a lot of people. And with AWD you'll probably be playing catch up.

I wouldnt put $$ down on it

-peace

curt86iroc

i lost to a 95 TSI AWD not too long ago. then again, my car is an LG4, but even so.....it was a quick car.....

Hg

I'm positive.

Apparently not easily enough-he's trying to pay this guy at skool to gut his MAF, gut his cat, and up his boost. This is why I wanna smoke him, he thinks he knows **** but he don't. From what I hear, with a car like his you can spend like less than 1K and make it a 13 second car... good blowoff valve, up the boost, things like that, that aren't too expensive. I've looked under his hood to, he's runnin stock with little free mods. His intake is kinda modded to the equivalent of removing the baffles in the intake on a TPI Camaro.

85transamtpi

The guy sounds like a real winner to me

RACE AND LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!!

Cruz'N Bruz'R

OK first you have a beat up diff. with 2.73 and an auto 305 TPI that means you have the weaker cam.

He will smoke you.

RB's84camaroF-41

He'll beat you if his planetary gear doesnt shoot up through his floor pan

Ray87Z

Be careful, with these "little free mods" he's got he could have upped the boost. If so you're definitely gonna get thrashed...

Hg

Again, I *KNOW* he doesn't have the boost turned up, he don't know how and he's trying to get other people to do it for him, plus I've ridden in his car and it isn't fast enough to have the boost turned up.

HrdRockA4305

The big advantage those have is launch, but since its an auto that advantage is lost since he can't build boost before he gets rolling hardly at all. I think it'll be a good race.

ChillPhatCat

While massive oil leaks are a sign of the engine being in poor repair, it often doesn't slow the car down too much... i'd say you'd have him if you were running 3.42's in good shape. He may currently have the faster car, but at least you can laugh at how much money he is going to waste to get those "free mods" LOL

I mean who can't gut a cat? That's so f*ckin' hillarious... also consider that gutting the cat does little compared to what a lil' $40 boost controller would do.

ROFLMAO

Ghour_Demon

The eagle talon is basically a mitsubishi eclipse with american badges.
If im not mistaken that turbo four cylinder makes 210hp and 215lbs/ft with awd. Even with this combination they came in either autos or sticks.
Purely stock it would run 15 flat and 0-60 in 7 ticks.
As far as launching with an auto, all he has to do is hold the brake pedal, rev the engine, and let her rip. (of course this could bomb the drivetrain if its already in bad shape)
Awd is very effective for 1st gear acceleration.

JR4444

A brake stand will only rev you up up like 2000RPMs because the brakes won't hold the power. In a manual you want to drop an AWD at like 4500RPMs.

Cruz'N Bruz'R

Launching an auto with AWD is easy. All he has to do is put it in neutral rev it up to 4000rpm and slam it into drive. He launch so hard you won't believe it.

Its embarrasing when a offspring jap car that sound mech. in poor shape with oil leaks and such beats a nice car kept in good shape. Don't bother racing, save yourself the embarrassment.

TPIterror

"well, i say hes you because you have a 305 first of all"

Yawn..another "if you had a 350" comment. Lets face it, there's plenty of 305's running as fast as 350's out there. A well modded 305 is more than a match for most modern cars.

The guys who know how to work on those cars(Talons-Eclipses) can get some pretty fast times out of them. I've seen ones that look stock run mid 13's at the track. If he's automatic and mostly stock you should take him. If hes turned up the boost, it'll be a tough race.

Good luck!

Racnoth

"Most" Auto turbo cars are easier to launch, and launch harder than stick cars. Just my experiece with GNS and what-not. Don't really know about AWD cars. Anyways, you build more boost at launch with an auto, mostly because a turbo works a bit harder when the engine's under load, instead of freewheeling, like a stick car at the line, with the clutch in. Thank you, and have pull around to the second window...